Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Stay safe]

I would only agree with this ending if Eren's plan wasn't full on fucking retarded. Like he had some way of making peace, but his friends didn't believe in it. Or something akin to that. Like his friends got in the way and didn't believe he should have any power whatsoever or they refused to grasp Eren's plans. Something like that.

But his plan is fucking idiotic. If you can't figure out a way to free your people with the powers of a literal God, altering time and space without mass genocide, you're a fucking idiot. So not only is his plan unjust, its stupid as fuck. So I can't really agree with this ending at all. Its a trash idea. This ending only works if Eren's plan is intelligent and he has no real choice but to go against his friends. He's a fucking living God with sky scraper titans. He can just have one of them hold them in place while he just murders everything. What the fuck are they going to do about him? Nothing.

So I can't agree that this ending is smart or intelligent or even a decent idea with the developments that have went on. Its full on edgelord dumbassery. This ending only works if Eren's cause is more just than his friends. Which it is not. Its not a complex moral ending. He's committing revenge and genocide, which are unabashedly evil acts. There is no greater good that Eren is pursuing. He wants to kill, he enjoys killing. He was quite literally fucking aroused when he saw the future of him killing everyone while he was talking to his dad. That he would have any qualms or emotions about murdering his former comrades doesn't work either as he is completely willing to murder men, women and children indiscriminately. So it is bleak for the sake of being bleak.

It is actually a true capstone to this shit sandwich. I cannot imagine anyone being satisfied with this result, except for me who thinks its hilarious that anyone would think this was an intelligent thing to do or a good idea for an ending.



Eren at this point is a literal God with control over time and space. And the only thing he can think of is mass genocide? Not even Fritz had that ability. He has Ymir on his side. And this is ALL he can think of? Murdering the entire fucking world? Mass genocide is the solution because Isayama wants it to be. Control over PATHs is literally control over the flow of space and time. I fully believe that this is Isayma's revenge porn fantasy.

With the power of Ymir, Zeke could just induce mass sterilization. Imagine what the fuck Eren could do with Ymir and control of PATHs. Imagination is the only limitation. And guess what? Its just murder. That's all. Fucking idiotic. I completely disagree with that assessment. There are a lot of ways you could write this, but Isayama took the most retarded of them all.

Like I said, Isayama could fuck this up easily. And even if he pulls it off perfectly, a story that is absolute fucking garbage until the ending is still a shitty story.

That said, I think there's hints that Eren isn't just doing this to save Paradis, but more for the world that comes after the current one has Crumbled in the Rumble.

Spoiler: Long ass autistic theory

During his conversation with Falco, Eren encourages him by telling him that people like himself have to keep pushing through the Hell there in to see if there's hope beyond it. I think if his plan was just to protect Paradis, he wouldn't have said that as if there was some uncertainty to it. If all he seeks is Paradis' protection, then the Rumbling will definitely grant it.

I think that line is meant to imply that part of the future he saw was the new world without Titans or Marley, the one that will be created after this world's end. Which will probably turn out to be our world, because as much as things suck right now, at least 99% of our population isn't violently racist towards Jews. It would look downright heavenly to a citizen of Paradis

Eren has been shown to not be entirely confident the future he saw is set in stone. Hence why he said to Falco he's not positive what's waiting beyond Hell.

Grisha was also initially against the Rumbling but would later give Eren his Titan while encouraging him to save Paradis. I think right after he had his ghost chat with Zeke (that chapter was loads of retarded) Eren showed him the rest of the vision, which convinced Grisha to go with the Rumbling.

The last clue I see is in the Dawn's Requiem/Akatsuki no Requiem/Dawn of the Requiem music video. At the very end, after the Rumbling is over, it shows the little puffball, who most think is meant to represent young Eren, looking out towards a new city, which look pristine but also modern, and the graveyard he's at is now overflowing with flowers, a common symbol of life and hope. I think that's symbolic of a better word being created because of the Rumbling.

And lastly, Isayama has gone out of his fucking way to paint the Jaegerists as inhumane demons who deserve to die, unlike the totally innocent Marley Nazis. And keep in mind, he did that long before the Rumbling was announced. If Isayama doesn't approve of self defense against Nazis, then why would he grant Eren victory for doing something much more morally grey?

If my theory is correct, then I would say AoT ended with the unironically best ending possible, but as a whole, the story is still fucking garbage.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

This is true as well. Its impossible to tell what he wants him to be. The problem is that if you make him full on genocidal, he's basically lost his fucking mind and gone insane, which basically makes it impossible to relate to him and have any emotional connection.

You are absolutely right. He's got absolutely no idea what Eren is supposed to be. He wants him to be sympathetic and commit genocide at the same time which is utterly fucking impossible. I will NEVER believe that someone who is going to murder 90% of the entire world is going to give a shit if his friends get smashed in the process. Not to mention he himself has killed Eldians as well and not given a single shit.

You've murdered innocent people, children, women, the elderly. You clearly love it. And I'm supposed to believe you give a fuck about your friends? Bitch please. Genocidal tyrants are fucking sociopaths who only care who is useful to them. This has been true throughout history. I refuse to believe that someone who is willing to kill on this scale would have any emotional qualms or regrets about killing his friends who are no longer of use to him.

Eren's character is so tonally inconsistent it borders on the hilarious to the nonsensical. I don't believe for a second someone who is committing an act so inhuman that he would have any emotion for his former 'friends'. Genocide is quite literally the worst crime humanity can carry out. It is heinous beyond reproach. It takes a complete lack of humanity to carry out. That Eren would even care is laughable. Either make him the villain and insane or don't have him be genocidal. You can't have him be sympathetic while committing the worst crime humanity can possibly carry out. Nor is it realistic that he would have any emotional connections anymore, since genocide is quite literally sacrificing your humanity for hatred.

This is why making Eren commit genocide is the most fucking retarded decision he could have made, because it is utterly impossible to sympathize with. Especially with the massive amount of power he has. He has surrendered all of his humanity for revenge. There is nothing relatable or sympathetic with that. Someone who is willing to do that has no humanity or care left within them, let alone former friends.

That's why I don't buy his 'regret' or sobbing like a literally fucking bitch. Someone who is willing to do what he is doing is dead inside. There is no such thing as a just genocide. It is an evil act, reprehensible and unforgivable. To do something like that makes you a monster. No matter how you try to spin it, you will never make me believe that he gives a fuck about anything besides mass murder.

See, I could believe he would still care about his friends if the whole world wasn't full of extreme racists hellbent on holocausting his race, and Eren only thought that because he just went full-on crazy and tumbled down the slippery slope after meeting the Marleyans. And, he actually tried to tell his friends about it, and wasn't a completely cunt to them. Like, he was just the old, overly-emotional Eren, but instead of being murderously angry, he'd be lashing out because he'd be genuinely scared for his friends and ignorant about the rest of the world.

I wouldn't sympathize with his plan, but I would sympathize with Eren because he'd genuinely be mentally ill and need help.

As it stands, though, you're completely right. What he's doing is completely unjustifiable, and retarded, and I hate that we even have to have a discussion about the "ethics" of genocide in the first place.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I hate that we even have to have a discussion about the "ethics" of genocide in the first place.

"It's about Ethics in Genocides"

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I was gonna say that Isayama drawing porn would probably be absolutely horrifying, but then I remembered that he's already done that with the courtroom scene, and the shit-machine, and it was horrifying, so...

...I hope they do fuck, because that would be fucking hilarious.

Eren: *literally genociding the entire world*

Armin and Annie: *just fucking on some random boat*

>Dvorak's New World Symphony 4th movement plays as both things happen

Like I said, Isayama could fuck this up easily. And even if he pulls it off perfectly, a story that is absolute fucking garbage until the ending is still a shitty story.

That said, I think there's hints that Eren isn't just doing this to save Paradis, but more for the world that comes after the current one has Crumbled in the Rumble.

Spoiler: Long ass autistic theory

During his conversation with Falco, Eren encourages him by telling him that people like himself have to keep pushing through the Hell there in to see if there's hope beyond it. I think if his plan was just to protect Paradis, he wouldn't have said that as if there was some uncertainty to it. If all he seeks is Paradis' protection, then the Rumbling will definitely grant it.

I think that line is meant to imply that part of the future he saw was the new world without Titans or Marley, the one that will be created after this world's end. Which will probably turn out to be our world, because as much as things suck right now, at least 99% of our population isn't violently racist towards Jews. It would look downright heavenly to a citizen of Paradis

Eren has been shown to not be entirely confident the future he saw is set in stone. Hence why he said to Falco he's not positive what's waiting beyond Hell.

Grisha was also initially against the Rumbling but would later give Eren his Titan while encouraging him to save Paradis. I think right after he had his ghost chat with Zeke (that chapter was loads of retarded) Eren showed him the rest of the vision, which convinced Grisha to go with the Rumbling.

The last clue I see is in the Dawn's Requiem/Akatsuki no Requiem/Dawn of the Requiem music video. At the very end, after the Rumbling is over, it shows the little puffball, who most think is meant to represent young Eren, looking out towards a new city, which look pristine but also modern, and the graveyard he's at is now overflowing with flowers, a common symbol of life and hope. I think that's symbolic of a better word being created because of the Rumbling.

And lastly, Isayama has gone out of his fucking way to paint the Jaegerists as inhumane demons who deserve to die, unlike the totally innocent Marley Nazis. And keep in mind, he did that long before the Rumbling was announced. If Isayama doesn't approve of self defense against Nazis, then why would he grant Eren victory for doing something much more morally grey?

If my theory is correct, then I would say AoT ended with the unironically best ending possible, but as a whole, the story is still fucking garbage.

The fact you believe it could get worse terrifies and intrigues me.

 

[Draza]

I would only agree with this ending if Eren's plan wasn't full on fucking retarded. Like he had some way of making peace, but his friends didn't believe in it. Or something akin to that. Like his friends got in the way and didn't believe he should have any power whatsoever or they refused to grasp Eren's plans. Something like that.

But his plan is fucking idiotic. If you can't figure out a way to free your people with the powers of a literal God, altering time and space without mass genocide, you're a fucking idiot. So not only is his plan unjust, its stupid as fuck. So I can't really agree with this ending at all. Its a trash idea. This ending only works if Eren's plan is intelligent and he has no real choice but to go against his friends. He's a fucking living God with sky scraper titans. He can just have one of them hold them in place while he just murders everything. What the fuck are they going to do about him? Nothing.

So I can't agree that this ending is smart or intelligent or even a decent idea with the developments that have went on. Its full on edgelord dumbassery. This ending only works if Eren's cause is more just than his friends. Which it is not. Its not a complex moral ending. He's committing revenge and genocide, which are unabashedly evil acts. There is no greater good that Eren is pursuing. He wants to kill, he enjoys killing. He was quite literally fucking aroused when he saw the future of him killing everyone while he was talking to his dad. That he would have any qualms or emotions about murdering his former comrades doesn't work either as he is completely willing to murder men, women and children indiscriminately. So it is bleak for the sake of being bleak.

It is actually a true capstone to this shit sandwich. I cannot imagine anyone being satisfied with this result, except for me who thinks its hilarious that anyone would think this was an intelligent thing to do or a good idea for an ending.



Eren at this point is a literal God with control over time and space. And the only thing he can think of is mass genocide? Not even Fritz had that ability. He has Ymir on his side. And this is ALL he can think of? Murdering the entire fucking world? Mass genocide is the solution because Isayama wants it to be. Control over PATHs is literally control over the flow of space and time. I fully believe that this is Isayma's revenge porn fantasy.

With the power of Ymir, Zeke could just induce mass sterilization. Imagine what the fuck Eren could do with Ymir and control of PATHs. Imagination is the only limitation. And guess what? Its just murder. That's all. Fucking idiotic. I completely disagree with that assessment. There are a lot of ways you could write this, but Isayama took the most retarded of them all.

I think what's funny is that it was mentioned in past chapters that there was another idea of partial rumbling. The idea that the rumbling would be used strategically to destroy specific targets (ex. World's armies gathering in Marley and even Marley itself), cause less civilian deaths, use less wall Titans, shows that Eldians are not to be messed with anymore, and most importantly was a deterrence to hostile nations who would dare to attack Paradis.

The plan was the most logical to begin with as it wouldn't cause less tremendous amount of destruction to what is happening now. It allowed a chance for people within Paradis to modernize itself and also a chance for some diplomacy to other nations.But for some reason as time went on the plan was abandoned by Eren because the world was seen as unforgiving and cruel towards Eldians and everyone wants them dead.

There was simply no need for Eren go commit total genocide as there were other logical options that would have save his home and his friends without destroying everything in the process. But he has to choose the worse one, due to reasons that are hard to believe and we may have to see in future chapters.

 

[Stay safe]

I think what's funny is that it was mentioned in past chapters that there was another idea of partial rumbling. The idea that the rumbling would be used strategically to destroy specific targets (ex. World's armies gathering in Marley and even Marley itself), cause less civilian deaths, use less wall Titans, shows that Eldians are not to be messed with anymore, and most importantly was deterrence to hostile nations would dare to attack Paradis.

The plan was the most logical to begin with as it wouldn't cause tremendous amount of destruction to what is happening now. It allowed a chance for people within Paradis to modernize itself and also a chance for some diplomacy to other nations.But for some reason as time went on the plan was abandoned by Eren because the world seen as to unforgiving and cruel towards Eldians and everyone wants them dead.

There was simply no need for Eren go commit total genocide as there were other logical options that would have save his home and his friends without destroying everything in the process. But he has to choose the worse one, due to reasons that are hard to believe and we may have to see in future chapters.

The issue with that is that the Titans are quickly becoming outdated as weapons. Even the Wall Titans will soon be easily killed with the right type of cannon.

Obivously none of the characters know about stuff like nukes and fighter jets, but they are aware that technology is advancing while the Titans are stagnant. Zeke even notes his Titan will soon be worthless against warship.

And we don't know if Eren still needs contact with royal blood. Even if Zeke has been turned to his side like Grisha, he's only got a year left. If he does still need royal blood, then Historia and her children are fucked. Like, literally. They'll have to be constantly raped in order to secure more royal blood.

As much as I fucking hate Historia for being a Mary Sue, at least during the Uprising arc, she's not a bad person. And if you have to choose between ending humanity outside Paradis, which is 99% racist, even the kids start killing early, and sentencing an innocent family to generations of rape, well, it isn't an easy choice.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

This is all just so fucking stupid and needlessly convoluted that I just don't care really who wins anymore.

I mean, I wanted Eren to unrepentantly kill everyone just because it would at least be an original ending, but I can't even get that now.

Really, the most I can hope for now is for Levi to die. He should've died when he got his ass blown up, but didn't because Isayama knows he carries this series, and killing him would kill all interest in it. He might as well be dead because he does fuck all now (I'm not saying that he should be doing shit. I'm just saying him being dead, and him alive, but incapacitated have the exact same effect at this point in the story) and nothing would really change he was just straight-up dead.

If Eren is going to kill everyone, even if he apparently feels really bad about it, at least that means Levi will die, too. It's a shitty consolation prize, but it's one I'm willing to take at this point.

 

[Cryogonal]

What even happened to Zeke? I know it does not matter a bit given the situation, but still.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Hmm, I shouldn't have been surprised this thread has like, 5 people all just going on about how bad stuff is. It's even in the title. Guess I just expected there to be more. Anyways, carry on.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

What even happened to Zeke? I know it does not matter a bit given the situation, but still.

We're not entirely sure. He might've died when Eren transformed because he was so close to the explosion, but until we get confirmation, the entire thing is just up in the air at this point.

There is a theory going on right now that he might've replaced Ymir in the PATHs system, but again, until we get proof of that being the case, it's anyone's guess right now.

 

[Secret Asshole]

We're not entirely sure. He might've died when Eren transformed because he was so close to the explosion, but until we get confirmation, the entire thing is just up in the air at this point.

There is a theory going on right now that he might've replaced Ymir in the PATHs system, but again, until we get proof of that being the case, it's anyone's guess right now.

Eren exploded him so hard, he ended up in PATHs. Ymir buried him in the sand up to his neck and is kicking him in the face for all eternity.

 

[Safir]

You've murdered innocent people, children, women, the elderly. You clearly love it. And I'm supposed to believe you give a fuck about your friends? Bitch please. Genocidal tyrants are fucking sociopaths who only care who is useful to them.

I've only read the thread, but I'm gonna disagree. IRL dictators are shaped by their experiences and achievements and by the human logistics of dictatorships (it takes a lot of replaceable humans to form a regime). A superpowered maniac who owes this power to eating pork or something is not accountable to anyone, and has not undergone personal growth (or "growth") necessary to order millions of people around and fight off the competition. He's a lolcow, more like a cross between a school shooter and a lottery winner.

"I'll commit an atrocity to express my paaaain (craaawling in my skiiin, these wounds will not heeeeaaaallll) and people will finally understand me and apologize, and everyone will love me" is a common cow fantasy. IRL, these people never amount to anything except a murder-suicide; if they do, it's because they've stopped being lolcows and got better. I think it's unfair to find fault in this trashfire of a story because Eren is not acting like a realistic dictator - he's not supposed to, the part where the cow gets superpowers is the fantasy element.

 

[Ravana]

God give me two or three pages of titans just being obliterated by jets

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

inb4 Eren just gets an ICBM to the face right before he decides he wasn't going through with the whole genocide and that 1/4 genocide was more than enough and dies.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

inb4 Eren just gets an ICBM to the face right before he decides he wasn't going through with the whole genocide and that 1/4 genocide was more than enough and dies.

I really want there to be Deus Ex Nukes.

If AoT is going to continue to be a shitty WWII fanfic it might as well just bring 'em out. Why not? It's already completely shattered its world-building over three times. What's another one at this point?

 

[Ravana]

All this reminded me of the subplot of Monty Python and the Holy Grail resulting in the characters just being arrested by modern police and the series really needs to end on that kind of joke

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

All this reminded me of the subplot of Monty Python and the Holy Grail resulting in the characters just being arrested by modern police and the series really needs to end on that kind of joke

I want it to go down like this scene exactly

"and that's the moral of the story, some niggas just need to go to jail"

says armin to his baby he had with annie who's ymir because paths and shit

"you are free"

"nigga"

 

[Uncle June]

Imagine how much better this story would have been had Erwin been chosen over Armin. Instead of mundane crying and awkward simping, the Colossal Titan would be once again the most badass, powerful entity in the series.

Erwin (the best character) would have grabbed the situation by the cock and come up with a plan that would either cause Eren to submit to dropping his plans, or killed him way before he could engage the rumbling.

Not to mention, Armin's permadeath would have had greater emotional charge than Erwins. Dont get me wrong, Erwin had the most upsetting death in the series, but Armins proximity and connection to Eren would have had a greater effect on him, fueling his desire to Hitler everything.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Imagine how much better this story would have been had Erwin been chosen over Armin. Instead of mundane crying and awkward simping, the Colossal Titan would be once again the most badass, powerful entity in the series.

Erwin (the best character) would have grabbed the situation by the cock and come up with a plan that would either cause Eren to submit to dropping his plans, or killed him way before he could engage the rumbling.

Not to mention, Armin's permadeath would have had greater emotional charge than Erwins. Dont get me wrong, Erwin had the most upsetting death in the series, but Armins proximity and connection to Eren would have had a greater effect on him, fueling his desire to Hitler everything.

I don't like Erwin that much, but I do think he would've made a much better Colossal Titan than Armin, and I do have to wonder how he would be handling the current situation.

I'm not a fan of Erwin's plans, mostly because they caused a fuckton of collateral damage that was (most of the time) completely avoidable, but I do think he'd be handling the current situation better than the current SC. Or rather, I don't see how he could be handling it any worse.

 

[Stay safe]

I do have to wonder how he would be handling the current situation.

He always came up with the worst plan possible, so whatever braindead scheme he came up with would probably leave Paradis literally on fire, instead of just figuratively.