Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Quindoll]

I mean, manga being tone deaf and retardation going to the top wouldn't be exceptional. You'd think editors would be storming him once he lost 50% of his readership to a DRASTICALLY different genre with a massive, massive timeskip.

Not that I would be surprised by it, but is there a source for the 50 percent drop? I wasn't able to find anything.

 

[Shady Attorney]

Was it ever explained why Marley didn’t do more research on Zeke’s Titan-control ability? You’d think that an authoritarian superpower that has no qualm forcing someone of known royal bloodline to bear children would’ve done the same to Zeke.

Their entire plan was to retake The Coordinate because controlling titans would give them the edge until the country reaches the same level of technological warfare. Yet they had a person who was the closest thing to that power and they ignored it to waste years on an operation entrusted to twelve-year-olds.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Was it ever explained why Marley didn’t do more research on Zeke’s Titan-control ability?

It's discussed briefly that different shifters have different affinities to begin with, so it's probable that they considered Zeke's prowess in the same light. The Female Titan can also control Titans, but to a lesser degree.

Yet they had a person who was the closest thing to that power and they ignored it to waste years on an operation entrusted to twelve-year-olds.

As far as they knew (before Zeke was able to inform them otherwise), the people of Paradis had sticks and stones for weapons. Also, Zeke's powers were very far and away from the power of the Founding Titan-- he can command Titans from a certain finite range and make Titans from Eldians who consumed his fluids. That's pretty useful, but nowhere near being able to connect to any Eldian and make Titans out of thin air.

 

[Shady Attorney]

It's discussed briefly that different shifters have different affinities to begin with, so it's probable that they considered Zeke's prowess in the same light. The Female Titan can also control Titans, but to a lesser degree.


As far as they knew (before Zeke was able to inform them otherwise), the people of Paradis has sticks and stones for weapons.

I wouldn’t say the Female Titan can control them. She can only call them to her location. The manga showed that distinction during their infiltration when the mindless titans came but were chasing her, Reiner, and Bert to eat them.

The only one who ever showed the ability to tell mindless titans what to do was Zeke. Marley not taking the directive to look to see if it’s a trait that can passed on seems like something not supposed to be thought about.

[edit: and didn’t the manga also state the Female Titan got all her versatility from the user being injected with the spinal fluid of the other shifters? Her scream could actually be from Zeke’s blood which makes them not looking into it even weirder]

 

[Stay safe]

We've got confirmation for when the manga will end, it's in either May or June, probably June because of filler.

Even if Eren kills the Cringevengers before the next chapter is halfway done, six chapters is not enough time to explain everything, deal with Eren's guilt, show the Rumbling's completion, show the new world in complete detail, Ymir's rebirth, and Historia and Ymir proving the emotional support to keep Eren from killing himself.

Isayama would really have to rush the shit out the story to get through all that, and if the Cringevengers win, he'll have to show even more.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Was it ever explained why Marley didn’t do more research on Zeke’s Titan-control ability? You’d think that an authoritarian superpower that has no qualm forcing someone of known royal bloodline to bear children would’ve done the same to Zeke.

Their entire plan was to retake The Coordinate because controlling titans would give them the edge until the country reaches the same level of technological warfare. Yet they had a person who was the closest thing to that power and they ignored it to waste years on an operation entrusted to twelve-year-olds.

They're too dumb to just take all the scientist from the conquered lands and have them modernize their military, how are they supposed to research the Titans who are basically magic? Like how would you even research that to get something with modern technology? Its not like they can really do anything to science better control with WWII era technology.

Episode 4 still has decent art. Still moving slowly. Hobo Eren reverse infiltrated and is ready to murder all the new characters.

 

[Protistology]

Was it ever explained why Marley didn’t do more research on Zeke’s Titan-control ability? You’d think that an authoritarian superpower that has no qualm forcing someone of known royal bloodline to bear children would’ve done the same to Zeke.

Their entire plan was to retake The Coordinate because controlling titans would give them the edge until the country reaches the same level of technological warfare. Yet they had a person who was the closest thing to that power and they ignored it to waste years on an operation entrusted to twelve-year-olds.

There was one sentence on one page that Zeke that said he kept his royal lineage secret so Marley wouldn't stop him from his castrate all Eldians plan.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I wouldn’t say the Female Titan can control them. She can only call them to her location. The manga showed that distinction during their infiltration when the mindless titans came but were chasing her, Reiner, and Bert to eat them.

In their Titan forms, though? It'd make sense if they were chasing after Bert and Reiner as humans, but they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing against a Colossus or an Armored Titan. Annie called over pure Titans in the forest incident to eat her body so she could escape and cover her tracks, and despite the fact that they were swarming her, none of them managed to eat her.

We've got confirmation for when the manga will end, it's in either May or June, probably June because of filler.

Even if Eren kills the Cringevengers before the next chapter is halfway done, six chapters is not enough time to explain everything

What's "everything"?

deal with Eren's guilt

What guilt? The one that we already saw when we saw that flashback of Eren helping a kid he already knew he was going to trample over in the Rumbling? Or the one that doesn't exist because he's already consigned to doing what he's doing and made it a "one of us is going to lose and die" situation?

show the Rumbling's completion

Everything's flattened. Maybe not everything, if the Rumbling is aborted.

show the new world in complete detail

That can be done in a chapter. Half a chapter, even.

Ymir's rebirth, and Historia and Ymir proving the emotional support to keep Eren from killing himself.

...did I miss something?

 

[Secret Asshole]

We've got confirmation for when the manga will end, it's in either May or June, probably June because of filler.

Even if Eren kills the Cringevengers before the next chapter is halfway done, six chapters is not enough time to explain everything, deal with Eren's guilt, show the Rumbling's completion, show the new world in complete detail, Ymir's rebirth, and Historia and Ymir proving the emotional support to keep Eren from killing himself.

Isayama would really have to rush the shit out the story to get through all that, and if the Cringevengers win, he'll have to show even more.

Six chapters? Holy god, Isayama is trash lol. This is going to end terribly. Beautiful.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Well next episode of the anime is going to be a make or break since it's the rumbling where Eren starts shit.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

We've got confirmation for when the manga will end, it's in either May or June, probably June because of filler.

Even if Eren kills the Cringevengers before the next chapter is halfway done, six chapters is not enough time to explain everything, deal with Eren's guilt, show the Rumbling's completion, show the new world in complete detail, Ymir's rebirth, and Historia and Ymir proving the emotional support to keep Eren from killing himself.

Isayama would really have to rush the shit out the story to get through all that, and if the Cringevengers win, he'll have to show even more.

I understand your points, but holy shit, six chapters somehow feels like way too much time, and yet nowhere near enough time. The pacing of this arc is fucking terrible.

What guilt? The one that we already saw when we saw that flashback of Eren helping a kid he already knew he was going to trample over in the Rumbling? Or the one that doesn't exist because he's already consigned to doing what he's doing and made it a "one of us is going to lose and die" situation?

Oh, he was shown shedding a single tear in like one panel back in like chapter 123-ish in addition to that other chapter where he sobbed like a bitch about feeling so bad about genociding everyone. Eren totally feels guilty about genociding people except when he doesn't, and then when he randomly does, and then again when he more in-characterly doesn't.

Tl;dr-Isayama had to change his plans with Eren most likely because of executive meddling, and/or fan backlash, and now his characterization is all over the place.

...did I miss something?

Yeah, the Ymir they're referring to is that god child bitch who let out the pigs and is responsible for all of this. She was seen to still be around in chapter 134, and might be in control of everything...? I don't fucking know. I would've guessed she would've gone through a redemption arc, or some bullshit if Isayama plans on making her suddenly good, but with only six chapters left? Nah, fam.

I don't know what the last half of what the person you were quoting was talking about when they mentioned her providing emotional support for Eren, though.

Well next episode of the anime is going to be a make or break since it's the rumbling where Eren starts shit.

So, either next episode, or the one after it is when Sasha is supposed to die, right? I can't believe I'm saying this, but c'mon, let her last words be "meat"!

 

[Stay safe]

Six chapters? Holy god, Isayama is trash lol. This is going to end terribly. Beautiful.

Keep in mind, with the basement, we needed four chapters to explain everything, and I considered that to be uncharacteristically well-paced.

Isayama has called what Eren knows the new basement of the show, in the sense that it's this wealth of information that changes everything. So it probably needs a similar amount of chapters to explain it.

Best case scenario is we get two chapters to explain everything, which leaves four chapters to be split between the final battle and the ending itself.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I understand your points, but holy shit, six chapters somehow feels like way too much time, and yet nowhere near enough time. The pacing of this arc is fucking terrible.


Oh, he was shown shedding a single tear in like one panel back in like chapter 123-ish in addition to that other chapter where he sobbed like a bitch about feeling so bad about genociding everyone. Eren totally feels guilty about genociding people except when he doesn't, and then when he randomly does, and then again when he more in-characterly doesn't.

Tl;dr-Isayama had to change his plans with Eren most likely because of executive meddling, and/or fan backlash, and now his characterization is all over the place.


Yeah, the Ymir they're referring to is that god child bitch who let out the pigs and is responsible for all of this. She was seen to still be around in chapter 134, and might be in control of everything...? I don't fucking know. I would've guessed she would've gone through a redemption arc, or some bullshit if Isayama plans on making her suddenly good, but with only six chapters left? Nah, fam.

I don't know what the last half of what the person you were quoting was talking about when they mentioned her providing emotional support for Eren, though.


So, either next episode, or the one after it is when Sasha is supposed to die, right? I can't believe I'm saying this, but c'mon, let her last words be "meat"!

Yeah honestly each day I am starting to think the anime is going to be looked at more favorably than the manga since the anime has fixed many mistakes the manga has such as improving the Uprising arc and doing better foreshadowing about the basement reveal compared to the manga.

The biggest example of which is moving Ymir's flashback about her time being picked as an idol for the other eldians to worship near the end of season 2 instead of after the RtS arc where the season 2 flashback gave more mysteries to anime-onlies and it fit since season 2 which covered the clash of titans arc which was where Ymir had the spotlight so her backstory being there was more appropriate compared to where it was in the manga which came across as Iseyama handwaving why she wasn't involved in the chapter.

 

[Stay safe]

..did I miss something?

There's a theory going on that the official music video for season 3's ending, called Akatsuki no Requiem (Dawn's Requiem) might be a metaphorical telling of the ending. The biggest pieces of evidence is that it showed an event very similar to the Rumbling before it actually started in the manga, and that the artist behind it said she hopes we'll "see the truth as the story unfolds".

If the theory is correct, Eren kills all of the Cringevengers and completes the Rumbling. He is praised as a hero but feels immense guilt for what happened (like what happened with Reiner) and only the love Historia and a reborn Ymir (who in the original mythology is reborn after Ragnarok) keeps him from killing himself.

This is also very similar to the ending of a manga he praised called Himeanole. It was about a serial killer who reforms and starts a family. He feels suicidal guilt and only the love of his new family keeps him from ending it. And yes, Isayama went on some "was what he did really his fault?" bullshit.

This could easily go the way of Mass Effect 3's Indoctrination Theory, but thus far it seems like the most likely ending.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Oh, he was shown shedding a single tear in like one panel back in like chapter 123-ish in addition to that other chapter where he sobbed like a bitch about feeling so bad about genociding everyone. Eren totally feels guilty about genociding people except when he doesn't

The single tear in chapter 123 was him sympathizing with war refugees because of his similar trauma. Both that and the other chapter (I'm pretty sure) were flashbacks from when they were still trying to come up with a solution that didn't involve the Rumbling to no avail.

You're casting an inner conflict as revealed in flashbacks that gives way to resolution by the time Eren goes AWOL as character inconsistency. Yes, Eren feels guilty about genociding people until he doesn't because he comes to peace with the fact that, like Reiner, he's just a guy trying to survive and protect what's dear to him, no matter the atrocities they have to commit to however many people of whatever kind. I don't get the impression that the interleaved flashback arc where he struggles with the notion of committing world-scale genocide is the result of fan backlash or executive meddling, because the time skip revealed a drastically different Eren with borderline no explanation to start.

I would've guessed she would've gone through a redemption arc, or some bullshit if Isayama plans on making her suddenly good, but with only six chapters left? Nah, fam.

I never expected that to happen. I thought her entire character arc was her realizing that she's literally the most powerful entity in existence, so there's no reason why she should continue to be a slave to people that could give two shits about her.

 

[Protistology]

only the love Historia

When did he start to love Historia? I thought he just had a kid with her for some reason.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

When did he start to love Historia? I thought he just had a kid with her for some reason.

He doesn't, and I'm pretty sure the kid isn't his.

The father is either some random farmer we don't even know the name of, or that guy is just pretending to be the father so Historia doesn't get fucking murdered by Mikasa, or whatever.

 

[Zaryiu2]

So did the island jews go to war and committed atrocities in the past at some point between Original Ymir corpse being cannibalized by her daughters who were forced to do so by thei dad still a huge wtf moment) and one hundred years before AoT started? I can see Iseyama pulling a hack move like that to make Eren needing to be stopped from suicide and it would fit with Iseyama view of the Jews at least partially deserve every atrocities they suffered

 

[Draza]

Six chapters? Holy god, Isayama is trash lol. This is going to end terribly. Beautiful.

I agree that with the way the manga is ending that six chapters isn't enough to tie up all the loose ends and plot holes, if even possible. But I guess we'll wait and see how this end.

 

[FaramirG]

So did the island jews go to war and committed atrocities in the past at some point between Original Ymir corpse being cannibalized by her daughters who were forced to do so by thei dad still a huge wtf moment) and one hundred years before AoT started? I can see Iseyama pulling a hack move like that to make Eren needing to be stopped from suicide and it would fit with Iseyama view of the Jews at least partially deserve every atrocities they suffered

I think the message the series is pushing is that even if the Eldians are just tools of Marley, they're still a race that can be turned into giant, superpowered cannibals with a single injection. So it doesn't really matter what the Eldians themselves want, or what they've even done voluntarily. They're a threat by virtue of their mere existence. It's an incredibly hateful, miserable universe that Isayama has written for these characters, the Eldians are in a kill or be killed situation, which is why the Cringevengers are so fucking stupid.