Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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Forgive me, my post was vague, overdramatic, and retardedly worded. Of course I know this series isn't going to make anyone actually believe in genocide, fascism, imperialism. My point was that it felt like Isayama was trying to do that with his story, and if that was the case, it's really fucking scummy, and insultingly stupid.

I genuinely don't understand why people take this away from the series. To me it's an unabashed critique of all three of those things. It shows exactly how irrational, stupid and self-destructive the idea of blaming an entire culture for acts perpetuated hundreds of years ago is. It shows every fascist individual as a violent thug with no reasonable ideas of how to actually govern, and no coherent plan of action besides 'hit people I dislike till they shut up, then gloat how they made me hit them because they stupid or something'. It shows imperialism as leading to nothing but a hugely destructive cycle of violence that enriches nobody and creates traumatized, hideously scarred war veterans who are so psychologically damaged they're quite willing to kill the entire world or passively euthanize a whole species just to break the cycle and feel a tiny bit of peace for themselves.
 
I genuinely don't understand why people take this away from the series. To me it's an unabashed critique of all three of those things. It shows exactly how irrational, stupid and self-destructive the idea of blaming an entire culture for acts perpetuated hundreds of years ago is. It shows every fascist individual as a violent thug with no reasonable ideas of how to actually govern, and no coherent plan of action besides 'hit people I dislike till they shut up, then gloat how they made me hit them because they stupid or something'. It shows imperialism as leading to nothing but a hugely destructive cycle of violence that enriches nobody and creates traumatized, hideously scarred war veterans who are so psychologically damaged they're quite willing to kill the entire world or passively euthanize a whole species just to break the cycle and feel a tiny bit of peace for themselves.
retard take. War is epic, fascism is awesome and Eren Jaeger is doing the right.
 
I've got to say, AoT lost me when "everybody lost their memories" had to happen to make the backstory work. That's total hack writing when you have to resort to amnesia.

I honestly only understand 70% of what's going on in this show. I don't understand this PATHS thing at all. I don't really care to either.

He made it needlessly complex. This seems to be a problem with many mangaka ending their stories. I really enjoyed Blade of the Immortal for the first 2/3rds of the anime, then they kept adding more and more characters and subplots at the end to the point I didn't understand what was going on anymore.
 
The point is what is Eren's definition of 'not working'? Eren's first answer (well, pretty much his only answer) has been violence.
What?

Eren actively cooperated with the SC's attempts at diplomacy until he figured that the future he saw couldn't be changed. The reason why he's on the path to omnicide is because he figures that what he saw had to have been the result of nobody being able to come up with a better solution to prevent the genocide of his community. Even when he started the Liberio assault, he only moved once Willy declared war and called upon the world to join forces with them to annihilate Paradis.

His first answer wasn't violence. You'd have to oversimplify his character to come to that conclusion.

We still don't know what his real goals are except to keep fighting.
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And you'd need to destroy their ability to fight one time.
You remember how Mikasa was still willing to fight with a broken blade and no gas with a Titan bearing on her during the Trost arc before Eren stone colds it? Or how Mike was still willing to fight against the Beast Titan and his servants despite the fact that he had no means of maneuvering and he was paralyzed from the waist down? Or, hell, you remember the Eldian Restorationists, who kept sprouting up in spite of the fact that they had no real means of opposing Marley?

Yeah, somehow I don't think people in this world believe in the concept of giving up on fighting against their oppressors.

The idea that a world would unite after losing all their military power and resources in a scramble to retain their own regional power is again, a joke.
You know, unless they're convinced that there's an island full of literal demons that itself has no allies that poses an existential threat to everyone else, equally. Oh, right, and has an abundance of resources, itself.

You keep hyperfixating on the fact that they don't like these people because of their race, but you're completely missing the part where their fears, for all they know and have experienced, are completely justifiable because the power of the Titans is in fact a real danger. You're proposing that alliances would be impossible, and you're also still advocating the killing of many-- even civilians (since you propose the destruction of capitals). Not to mention the other forms of hardship that would come from destroying several nations like how you propose.

Genocide's bad because you're killing a lot of people, including non-combatants, and you're also striving to inter their culture and history of existence with their bones, but all you're proposing in function is incompetent genocide that wouldn't work because the fear of the might of the Titans was the motivator behind the world rallying behind Marley to annihilate Paradis in the first place.

Then you know, don't make the main character become the fucking God of Causality
you keep saying that no matter how many times what you're referring to is broken down

I genuinely don't understand why people take this away from the series. To me it's an unabashed critique of all three of those things. It shows exactly how irrational, stupid and self-destructive the idea of blaming an entire culture for acts perpetuated hundreds of years ago is. It shows every fascist individual as a violent thug with no reasonable ideas of how to actually govern, and no coherent plan of action besides 'hit people I dislike till they shut up, then gloat how they made me hit them because they stupid or something'. It shows imperialism as leading to nothing but a hugely destructive cycle of violence that enriches nobody and creates traumatized, hideously scarred war veterans who are so psychologically damaged they're quite willing to kill the entire world or passively euthanize a whole species just to break the cycle and feel a tiny bit of peace for themselves.
Maybe they think fascism, imperialism, and genocide is cool, and they're projecting.
 
You keep hyperfixating on the fact that they don't like these people because of their race, but you're completely missing the part where their fears, for all they know and have experienced, are completely justifiable because the power of the Titans is in fact a real danger. You're proposing that alliances would be impossible, and you're also still advocating the killing of many-- even civilians (since you propose the destruction of capitals). Not to mention the other forms of hardship that would come from destroying several nations like how you propose.

I'm not sure if it's been brought up before, but as I remember, it's noted that the Titan powers can't be eliminated either. If their current holders are killed, the Gift is immediately passed on to a random Eldian anywhere in the world. So as long as the Eldian race exists, there will always be the possibility of the intelligent Titans resurfacing. Now, I think this is honestly a bit silly and still not a very solid foundation on which to build a 'kill everything' or 'hate them unconditionally for all eternity' culture around, but it does still provide a valid ground for people treating the Eldians as an existential threat regardless of how good and noble they try and come across as.

Personally, my biggest issue with the whole Eldian segregation/oppression system is that I don't think it's ever identified exactly what makes somebody Eldian in the first place. Is having 1/48th Eldian blood enough to give them Titan powers? Besides that, they apart from not being black, Eldians look just like every other race we see in the setting. Jews looked sufficiently different from Germans, Italians and British that they could be readily identified in a crowd, but we know for a fact that if they take off their armbands, the average Eldian blends right into Marleyan culture to the point they can take wives and live normal lives without ever arousing suspicion.

To me, the whole segregation thing should've fallen apart decades, even centuries ago. What would've been a cool way to handle it in my mind would be for a big plot reveal about how Eldian and Marleyan blood has been quietly intermingling for a very long time now, and that active segregation is completely pointless and a waste of time.
 
Personally, my biggest issue with the whole Eldian segregation/oppression system is that I don't think it's ever identified exactly what makes somebody Eldian in the first place. Is having 1/48th Eldian blood enough to give them Titan powers?
Reiner and Annie are half-Eldian, so I'm betting on "yes".
 
To me, the whole segregation thing should've fallen apart decades, even centuries ago. What would've been a cool way to handle it in my mind would be for a big plot reveal about how Eldian and Marleyan blood has been quietly intermingling for a very long time now, and that active segregation is completely pointless and a waste of time.
They did that a little but dumb with the Tyburs being revealed to be running Marley.
 
I mean it really isn’t since while I like the story, Isayama is not really subtle on how he feels about certain topics and he is as preachy as Kojima when it comes to war being bad among other topics.

If it was the case, it’s likely taken that way by retards who unironically say shit like “Aaron Yoghurt” or “King Floch” (yes the IRL Yaegerists fucking worship Floch too and it’s even more cringeworthy than Eren wank)
At least Kojima has fun with his "war bad" themes. Also, say if you will, but his chronology is more coherent than whatever this manga is going for.
 
At least Kojima has fun with his "war bad" themes. Also, say if you will, but his chronology is more coherent than whatever this manga is going for.
Honestly Kojima with anti-war messages is still more fun while Isayama goes for the more melodramatic route where sometimes the dialogue feels like it came straight out of a Dhar Mann video (see Armin’s reaction to Yelena explaining her and Zeke’s motives)
 
You remember how Mikasa was still willing to fight with a broken blade and no gas with a Titan bearing on her during the Trost arc before Eren stone colds it? Or how Mike was still willing to fight against the Beast Titan and his servants despite the fact that he had no means of maneuvering and he was paralyzed from the waist down? Or, hell, you remember the Eldian Restorationists, who kept sprouting up in spite of the fact that they had no real means of opposing Marley?

Yeah, somehow I don't think people in this world believe in the concept of giving up on fighting against their oppressors.
That's a fair point. But the same goes for people giving up. The story showed the father that told Reinhard, Annie and Bertholdt about his misery before he choose to commit suicide after one of the walls got breached. Yet alone the reactions to titans when they get inside the walls. There again we had soldiers running away rather than fighting and another example where a soldier rather choose suicide instead of getting eaten. At least I remember it that way. Might be wrong. So it goes both ways.
I think @Secret Asshole is not saying that nobody will resist anymore. Just that any resistance wouldn't amount to anything. Just like the Eldian Restorationists, who are kept in check by Marley precisely because they do not have access to the resources.

Society has to have somewhat of a consensus to back any form of resistance. Otherwise the people willing to resist would lack in manpower. They would not have the same access to the blades, the gas and the training necessary to begin with. Which might make resistance futile from the very start.

I might see things a bit silly here. But we can also find examples about a more general stance of the population (Of the early Island at least) to "fighting against their oppressors.". If one would allow to look at the titans being the oppressors. We have the different branches of the island military. The military police, the garrison and the scouts. The scouts are the only once that might actually help humanity to deal with the titans. They are also the once that have the highest chance of seeing real combat with titans. Results? Highly unpopular and in constant need of manpower.
The threat by the titans is real, but gets downplayed instead. "The walls getting breached? That did not happen in the last 100 years.". On the other hand people complain that the scouts itself are a rather wasteful use of their taxes. So you got different kinds of interest here at play. Politicians, citizens and so on.

It's kind of a reverse view.
 
alright so, after aot, whats next for isayama because god knows if he'll try topping that or what
 
This week is going to be the release of the final chapter. I am hyped hoping it is either good or at least so dumb it's hilarious

Either way, it will feel bittersweet for myself. Every month for the last decade a chapter release was one of the few things to look forward to in period where not too many good things happen.

The story certainly derailed hard but it'll still be sad to see it go. I just hope he can pull off some kind of legible ending that won't shit it all up.
 
I appreciate AOT and enjoyed it. Even if it did fly off the rails completely in the end.

That being said, after reading Attack on Titan. I appreciate Kentaro Miura and Berserk even more now. Which I did not think would be possible.

How easy would it of been for Miura to go full edgelord with Guts after the Eclipse? Like Isayama did with Eren.

Instead he chose to make the story about Guts falling off the heroes journey, getting back on it and becoming a better person/hero.
 
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alright so, after aot, whats next for isayama because god knows if he'll try topping that or what
I think Isayama will either try and do something else since he seems to like doing comedy if his volume extras are any indication, since I doubt he will really do anything with AOT again since he really has nothing else left
 
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