Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Random Internet Person]

Yeah but most Shounen shit authors do this. Why is Naruto with Hinata? She liked him hundreds of chapters ago. Why is Orihime with Ichigo? She liked him hundreds of chapters ago. Why is Jean with Mikasa?

It's like the Chekov's Gun of romance. Manga authors set it up to prepare for the ending and then draw the manga until their editors say stop, and hook up the couple.

I’d say it’s more “13-15 year old Japanese boys (or whatever the shonen age demographic is) don’t really care for romance in their manga”. But I think you’re right. Hell, when was the last time a romance in a shonen manga actually got some significant development as the manga went on that wasn’t “will they or won’t they?” teasing/baiting?

I think the ending video was supposed to point to the ending, but I also find the idea of Yama trying to make the genocidal maniac win and his editors making him fix it funny.

What video are we talking about?

 

[Secret Asshole]

Alright. I'll say it. I was wrong. The last eight pages were trash.

I'll give you credit for admitting you were wrong on the internet instead of just fading off into the sunset like some other defenders when stuff came out that was absolutely shit. Though I feel kind of bad, because a lot of the stuff I said just came true like Paradis being a burning wreck and nothing ever getting solved.

At uh, at least there's the soundtrack? I guess?

I’d say it’s more “13-15 year old Japanese boys (or whatever the shonen age demographic is) don’t really care for romance in their manga”. But I think you’re right. Hell, when was the last time a romance in a shonen manga actually got some significant development as the manga went on that wasn’t “will they or won’t they?” teasing/baiting?

What video are we talking about?

This video, which basically foreshadows Eren murdering his friends and the world, but in the end making the world a peaceful, but better place.

I do kind of feel like his editors made him change it. And when he couldn't have what he wanted, he defaulted to 'hurting' his audience by just being a fucking cunt. I mean, I don't care, I find the whole thing fucking hilarious. I've never seen a story rendered utterly pointless before. Nothing is resolved. Titans are still around, Paradis seems to be utterly annihilated back to the stone age, and the conflict is just going to happen all over again.

Its really funny, basically going 'lol Eren was right, but it still happens anyway'. I think its idiotic and hilarious, and he didn't hurt me but made me laugh my ass off at how he deceived people into thinking he was some sort of genius and then and goes and releases an extended cut of the ending that just stomps on people that liked it, removing all ambiguity that MAYBE things worked out (they didn't). Its like Bran becoming King because he tells the best stories level of retardation.

I know people said its not worth talking about, but I can't help myself because it is just so bad, that it is a lesson in awful story-telling. Plot, characterization, foreshadowing, tone, genre, pacing...its really all here.

Why couldn't it be Isayama??

Because if it was Isayama, then Attack on Titan would be cemented as legendary. Berserk has now been cemented in myth and story-telling legend, a Shakespearean tragedy of a great, unfinished masterwork, in which our imaginations will carry the will of Miura, making the ending greater than anything we would have seen with our own eyes. With his death, he has become immortal. Let Isayama shit in his onsen.

I love how the Erenfags are now blasting Isayama for just continuing to dump loss after loss on Eren when I'm pretty that's supposed to be intentional at this point. He's intentionally shitting on Eren because he wants to hurt the fanbase, and also because he probably thinks it's really funny.

They are so fucking pissed.

"B-But, Jeankasa had no development...!" Yeah, and? It's still better than shipping Mikasa with the guy who genocided the entire world just because he couldn't just admit his feelings for her. Jean's trash, but Eren's a goddamn landfill.

The best part is that I think Isayama clearly hates Erenfags since they are the most vocal to shit on everything and he probably wanted Eren to not be idolized so he went out of his way to shit on them while giving every other character a good end (except for the nameless citizens of Paradis in the future while the named characters just die of old age or something since it looks like it has been a century since the ending when the city got bombed judging by the architecture of the buildings).

I mean, its really hard for me to think about. Did Isayama have the genocide ending in mind? It seems like it, because every piece of foreshadowing pointed to it. To do such a harsh 180 in the last few chapters seems very strange. But he might have. He is CLEARLY shitting on people who liked Eren and basically mocking them at this point, with Jean getting the girl and having him sitting in the puddle of piss crying like a baby.

Yeah but most Shounen shit authors do this. Why is Naruto with Hinata? She liked him hundreds of chapters ago. Why is Orihime with Ichigo? She liked him hundreds of chapters ago. Why is Jean with Mikasa?

It's like the Chekov's Gun of romance. Manga authors set it up to prepare for the ending and then draw the manga until their editors say stop, and hook up the couple.

Its just there as a constant hook and its a very very very very old device where mangaka didn't think their mangas would last long, so the will-they or won't-they kept people from buying. Its generally why I like seinen better, because romance is generally more straightforward.

Some Shonen has been getting better with this, giving subtle cues to the audience its not going to happen, like Black Clover, where Asta is autistic and is in love with a celibate nun, not even giving a shit if other women want him

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I mean, its really hard for me to think about. Did Isayama have the genocide ending in mind? It seems like it, because every piece of foreshadowing pointed to it. To do such a harsh 180 in the last few chapters seems very strange. But he might have. He is CLEARLY shitting on people who liked Eren and basically mocking them at this point, with Jean getting the girl and having him sitting in the puddle of piss crying like a baby.

I don't think Isayama did have a genocide ending in mind since he is very hamfisted on how war is bad and how genocide is bad. Like I looked at it and given how Isayama has viewed the anime as the "final product" with how it's portrayed in the anime it looks apparent he didn't want a genocide ending but dumbass Erenfags literally took everything about Manbun Eren at face value thinking he was some gigachad Patriot who wanted an ethnostate (despite Eren clearly caring more about his friends in the dumbest way possible while also never really having much loyalty to the Island).

It looks really clear that he hates the Erenfags who have idolized Eren and Floch (whom Isayama clearly portrays as pathetic assholes who are nothing more than paper tigers). It doesn't help as I have said with Erenfags being the more vocal of Isayama's critics (especially when they drove an animation director off of social media for not putting the music they want for the Liberio attack) who are also on 2ch as people who idolize Imperialist Japan while the Western counterpart are literal alt-right types who projected their political views onto Eren and Floch.

Isayama did his usual hamfisted approach of probably trying to make Eren as pathetic looking as possible in the end both to humanize him to the people who liked his stuff for the way he wanted it and to piss off the IRL Yaegerists who based their headcanon off of a music video and were the same people who think Eren doing everything for a supposed daughter would be a super deep twist that makes Eren more "layered" (despite it reducing Eren to generic "Award-winning video game" dad character).

tl;dr The best way to see Isayama's feelings on if he wanted a genocide ending or not is to really look at how Floch is portrayed because if Floch was not an over the top villain then he would've gone for the genocide ending.

 

[Random Internet Person]

(especially when they drove an animation director off of social media for not putting the music they want for the Liberio attack)

What music DID they want?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

What music DID they want?

They wanted the same music from Reiner and Bertolt's reveal instead of 2volt just to make Eren seem more epic and badass.

Seriously the fucking devotion to Eren is like these people were worshipping a real person who got assassinated in the end

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I don't think Isayama did have a genocide ending in mind since he is very hamfisted on how war is bad and how genocide is bad. Like I looked at it and given how Isayama has viewed the anime as the "final product" with how it's portrayed in the anime it looks apparent he didn't want a genocide ending but dumbass Erenfags literally took everything about Manbun Eren at face value thinking he was some gigachad Patriot who wanted an ethnostate (despite Eren clearly caring more about his friends in the dumbest way possible while also never really having much loyalty to the Island).

It looks really clear that he hates the Erenfags who have idolized Eren and Floch (whom Isayama clearly portrays as pathetic assholes who are nothing more than paper tigers). It doesn't help as I have said with Erenfags being the more vocal of Isayama's critics (especially when they drove an animation director off of social media for not putting the music they want for the Liberio attack) who are also on 2ch as people who idolize Imperialist Japan while the Western counterpart are literal alt-right types who projected their political views onto Eren and Floch.

Isayama did his usual hamfisted approach of probably trying to make Eren as pathetic looking as possible in the end both to humanize him to the people who liked his stuff for the way he wanted it and to piss off the IRL Yaegerists who based their headcanon off of a music video and were the same people who think Eren doing everything for a supposed daughter would be a super deep twist that makes Eren more "layered" (despite it reducing Eren to generic "Award-winning video game" dad character).

tl;dr The best way to see Isayama's feelings on if he wanted a genocide ending or not is to really look at how Floch is portrayed because if Floch was not an over the top villain then he would've gone for the genocide ending.

I mean, its really hard for me to think about. Did Isayama have the genocide ending in mind? It seems like it, because every piece of foreshadowing pointed to it. To do such a harsh 180 in the last few chapters seems very strange. But he might have. He is CLEARLY shitting on people who liked Eren and basically mocking them at this point, with Jean getting the girl and having him sitting in the puddle of piss crying like a baby.

See, I'm starting to think he did want to go through with the genocide ending, but didn't want the readers to think it was a good thing. The problem was that a lot of people, ones that weren't even Erenfags, unfortunately did, and that along with executive meddling might be what spurred him into turning Eren into the biggest loser in anime history.

Isayama said he wanted to hurt his readers, and tinfoil hat theory, but I think that might've been why he chose the genocide route to begin with.

"Well, since management said I can't do anything with Levi because he carries this series, I'll just have to ruin the second most popular character, Eren. Now what's the most insane, evil, inexcusable thing ever that would still be in character for him that would make rough sense in context to the plot? Let's see, he likes killing and fighting. And the rest of the world clearly wants his race dead. I know! Instead of having the islanders use diplomacy to try to solve everything, I'll have Eren ruin everything by committing global genocide! And I'll give him an over-the-top crazy, and evil cult too just to hammer in how clearly not good this is supposed to be! Haha! The fans will be devastated!"

"...wait, they're not? They like this? They're defending this? Acting like it's a good thing? Treating everything Eren says and does like it's not complete lunacy? Treating him like he's the actual messiah? What the fuck?! And management suddenly says I can't end my manga with main character committing global genocide? What the fuck? Okay then, I'll just turn Eren into the biggest cuck ever, and absolutely crash my story into the ground! That'll show them!"

"...they still think it's good and that Eren's a Gigachad? EIGHT EXTRA PAGES PROVING THEM WRONG IT IS THEN! PARADIS GETS DESTROYED, MIKASA FUCKS JEAN AND HAS A BOATLOAD OF KIDS WITH HIM, LEVI DIES, AND THE TITANS ARE STILL A THING! OH, AND EREN GETS TURNED INTO A TREE! THERE! HOW ABOUT NOW?!"

tl;dr: Isayama was for the genocide ending until he saw the fanbase's reaction and had management tell him no. Then he did a complete 180 because he was so pissed about it.

 

[Übertroon]

Never really checked things out but it's fucking hilarious that Horsechad won while Erenfags are seething. As for the ending with the new shit it's kinda meh.

But I want to come here and say that jesus christ Attack on Titan's fanbase has somehow become more autistic than the Star Wars fanbase. Especially with how Erenfags are literally crying how they lost "kino" and their ending theory they based off of a music video didn't come true. It especially is annoying how they bitched about Mikasa still loving Eren (and vice versa despite these tards wanting Eren's motivation to be about saving Historia more than Paradis) after killing him to then calling her a whore for settling down with Jean. It doesn't help that they have been going into other fandoms (like Vinland Saga, Berserk, and MHA) to find a fucking safe space and crying about how AOT is bad where those other fandoms told them to fuck off for being faggots.

Has there ever been a fanbase who became this fucking pathetic because the imaginary version of their favorite fictional character didn't become Anime Hitler who would go home to his blonde waifu and daughter.

Like two of the AOT subreddits are now dedicated to making fun of these tards who unironically idolize a guy whose ass got kicked by an Asian grandma.

You should have seen the Avatar Last Airbender fandom back in the day. The ending spawned like a thousand fanfics dedicated to validate their headcanon pairing

 

[Thiletonomics]

See, I'm starting to think he did want to go through with the genocide ending, but didn't want the readers to think it was a good thing. The problem was that a lot of people, ones that weren't even Erenfags, unfortunately did, and that along with executive meddling might be what spurred him into turning Eren into the biggest loser in anime history.

Isayama said he wanted to hurt his readers, and tinfoil hat theory, but I think that might've been why he chose the genocide route to begin with.

"Well, since management said I can't do anything with Levi because he carries this series, I'll just have to ruin the second most popular character, Eren. Now what's the most insane, evil, inexcusable thing ever that would still be in character for him that would make rough sense in context to the plot? Let's see, he likes killing and fighting. And the rest of the world clearly wants his race dead. I know! Instead of having the islanders use diplomacy to try to solve everything, I'll have Eren ruin everything by committing global genocide! And I'll give him an over-the-top crazy, and evil cult too just to hammer in how clearly not good this is supposed to be! Haha! The fans will be devastated!"

"...wait, they're not? They like this? They're defending this? Acting like it's a good thing? Treating everything Eren says and does like it's not complete lunacy? Treating him like he's the actual messiah? What the fuck?! And management suddenly says I can't end my manga with main character committing global genocide? What the fuck? Okay then, I'll just turn Eren into the biggest cuck ever, and absolutely crash my story into the ground! That'll show them!"

"...they still think it's good and that Eren's a Gigachad? EIGHT EXTRA PAGES PROVING THEM WRONG IT IS THEN! PARADIS GETS DESTROYED, MIKASA FUCKS JEAN AND HAS A BOATLOAD OF KIDS WITH HIM, LEVI DIES, AND THE TITANS ARE STILL A THING! OH, AND EREN GETS TURNED INTO A TREE! THERE! HOW ABOUT NOW?!"

tl;dr: Isayama was for the genocide ending until he saw the fanbase's reaction and had management tell him no. Then he did a complete 180 because he was so pissed about it.

So basically what you're saying is that you think Isayama wanted to pull a Neil Druckmann-level of fucked up ending, but was prevented from doing so, and yet the ending still pissed off the fans, but in a different way.

 

[Random Internet Person]

You should have seen the Avatar Last Airbender fandom back in the day. The ending spawned like a thousand fanfics dedicated to validate their headcanon pairing

Ah, Zutara. The power of thinking love can change someone and heal them of their past scars and emotional baggage. Like Mikasa could ever do that.

 

[Übertroon]

It would be shortsighted though for Isayama to discard the genocide ending just because people support Eren.

There will always be people that would support such measures. And all his ending does is validate them.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

I'll give you credit for admitting you were wrong on the internet instead of just fading off into the sunset like some other defenders when stuff came out that was absolutely shit. Though I feel kind of bad, because a lot of the stuff I said just came true like Paradis being a burning wreck and nothing ever getting solved.

At uh, at least there's the soundtrack? I guess?

I don't think Attack on Titan as a whole was bad. It was pretty good. What I'm going to do is just pretend it all ended at 123. Eren rumbled everything beyond Eldia and that was that.

At least that makes sense. Why the fuck did Eren go through with fucking genocide if everything he hoped to accomplish could have just been done with Zeke's euthanization plan? Sure. It's cucked as all hell and fucked up but Jesus fucking Christ! At least in Zeke's plan none of your friends had to die fighting for nothing, everyone lived relatively long and happy lives, and titans actually would stop existing within a hundred years or so. In Eren's genocide plan he buys Paradis at most 200 years; probably less and more like a hundred,Some of his friends like Hange die unnecessarily—the core reason for his genocide being so his friends could live long and happy lives, 80% of humanity is exterminated for pretty much no reason, Eren doesn't get to fuck his hapa waifu even if they can't have kids, Titans don't go extinct, and that's pretty much it.

Everything Eren did had no point. From Eren's perspective you can argue that he had no way of knowing his decision would end this badly, but the audience perspective this is just Isayama taking a big fat shit on Eren as a character and saying, "Nah you stupid motherfucker. Everything you believe is wrong. You should have let Zeke snip you dude."

 

[Boobie Bomb]

FoxenAnime proves he can simp over shitty series that sucks ass.

Second-gen crap before the release of said manga volume.

clown world theory on why Eren's 80% plan was just junk.

The table scene being a joke.

Last one to post in this thread for today before I sleep is that Sufferents made this video just to show he kinda made a mistake of simping for AOT.


Yeah laters

 

[Gar For Archer]

I’m going with the “Eren was supposed to genocide everyone and become the villain” theory. This is clearly what the story was building up to, but he cucks out at the last minute and tries to give Eren some bullshit nonsense motivation when the only motivation needed is that Eren is fucking crazy. Of course this also necessitates the Marleyans and the rest of the world not being strawman racists, because doing so kinda justifies Eren’s POV that global genocide is the only option.

In this scenario, keeping Eren’s motivations hidden could actually be a good reverse subversion where readers hope beyond hope that despite all the available evidence, Eren’s beliefs and actions can be somehow justified... only for it to be revealed that no, he’s actually just insane and cannot be reasoned with, and the only way to save everyone is to kill him, which they ultimately fail to do.

I think even barring the writing issues of the later chapters, if this were done you’d at least have a thematically consistent ending that would tie things up in a more or less satisfying way, with a “shocking” bad-ending a la The Mist or End of Eva that fits the theme/tone of grimdark hopelessness without making the whole story feel pointless. To think that all you’d need to fix is to make him go full villain instead of trying to redeem him..

 

[Shield Breaker]

See, I'm starting to think he did want to go through with the genocide ending, but didn't want the readers to think it was a good thing. The problem was that a lot of people, ones that weren't even Erenfags, unfortunately did, and that along with executive meddling might be what spurred him into turning Eren into the biggest loser in anime history.

Isayama said he wanted to hurt his readers, and tinfoil hat theory, but I think that might've been why he chose the genocide route to begin with.

"Well, since management said I can't do anything with Levi because he carries this series, I'll just have to ruin the second most popular character, Eren. Now what's the most insane, evil, inexcusable thing ever that would still be in character for him that would make rough sense in context to the plot? Let's see, he likes killing and fighting. And the rest of the world clearly wants his race dead. I know! Instead of having the islanders use diplomacy to try to solve everything, I'll have Eren ruin everything by committing global genocide! And I'll give him an over-the-top crazy, and evil cult too just to hammer in how clearly not good this is supposed to be! Haha! The fans will be devastated!"

"...wait, they're not? They like this? They're defending this? Acting like it's a good thing? Treating everything Eren says and does like it's not complete lunacy? Treating him like he's the actual messiah? What the fuck?! And management suddenly says I can't end my manga with main character committing global genocide? What the fuck? Okay then, I'll just turn Eren into the biggest cuck ever, and absolutely crash my story into the ground! That'll show them!"

"...they still think it's good and that Eren's a Gigachad? EIGHT EXTRA PAGES PROVING THEM WRONG IT IS THEN! PARADIS GETS DESTROYED, MIKASA FUCKS JEAN AND HAS A BOATLOAD OF KIDS WITH HIM, LEVI DIES, AND THE TITANS ARE STILL A THING! OH, AND EREN GETS TURNED INTO A TREE! THERE! HOW ABOUT NOW?!"

tl;dr: Isayama was for the genocide ending until he saw the fanbase's reaction and had management tell him no. Then he did a complete 180 because he was so pissed about it.

Didn't he want to include the eight pages from the get go? I'm betting he wanted to do the genocide ending and make Eren a sympathetic villain*, but the editors freaked out because it comes across as very nationalist, which is very controversial in Japan. Especially if you view this as an alternative history fanfic. I think he made the changes to piss everyone off, but had to settle for the full thing only being in the collected volume.

*He wouldn't have been, but still...

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I’m going with the “Eren was supposed to genocide everyone and become the villain” theory. This is clearly what the story was building up to, but he cucks out at the last minute and tries to give Eren some bullshit nonsense motivation when the only motivation needed is that Eren is fucking crazy. Of course this also necessitates the Marleyans and the rest of the world not being strawman racists, because doing so kinda justifies Eren’s POV that global genocide is the only option.

In this scenario, keeping Eren’s motivations hidden could actually be a good reverse subversion where readers hope beyond hope that despite all the available evidence, Eren’s beliefs and actions can be somehow justified... only for it to be revealed that no, he’s actually just insane and cannot be reasoned with, and the only way to save everyone is to kill him, which they ultimately fail to do.

I think even barring the writing issues of the later chapters, if this were done you’d at least have a thematically consistent ending that would tie things up in a more or less satisfying way, with a “shocking” bad-ending a la The Mist or End of Eva that fits the theme/tone of grimdark hopelessness without making the whole story feel pointless. To think that all you’d need to fix is to make him go full villain instead of trying to redeem him..

Honestly the issue with this that it could’ve been good but Isayama had to be retarded in his portrayal of racism where everyone in the world wants Eldians dead (even though they somehow suck the dick of some rich Eldian Family at every turn). Really Eren being fucking nuts could’ve been effective if the world weren’t full of dumb racists and Eren had been influenced by his Dad and Kruger rather than a ghost kid. Honestly the Post-Timeskip has so many flaws in its writing it’s astounding.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I don't think Attack on Titan as a whole was bad. It was pretty good. What I'm going to do is just pretend it all ended at 123. Eren rumbled everything beyond Eldia and that was that.

At least that makes sense. Why the fuck did Eren go through with fucking genocide if everything he hoped to accomplish could have just been done with Zeke's euthanization plan? Sure. It's cucked as all hell and fucked up but Jesus fucking Christ! At least in Zeke's plan none of your friends had to die fighting for nothing, everyone lived relatively long and happy lives, and titans actually would stop existing within a hundred years or so. In Eren's genocide plan he buys Paradis at most 200 years; probably less and more like a hundred,Some of his friends like Hange die unnecessarily—the core reason for his genocide being so his friends could live long and happy lives, 80% of humanity is exterminated for pretty much no reason, Eren doesn't get to fuck his hapa waifu even if they can't have kids, Titans don't go extinct, and that's pretty much it.

Everything Eren did had no point. From Eren's perspective you can argue that he had no way of knowing his decision would end this badly, but the audience perspective this is just Isayama taking a big fat shit on Eren as a character and saying, "Nah you stupid motherfucker. Everything you believe is wrong. You should have let Zeke snip you dude."

See, I'm starting to think he did want to go through with the genocide ending, but didn't want the readers to think it was a good thing. The problem was that a lot of people, ones that weren't even Erenfags, unfortunately did, and that along with executive meddling might be what spurred him into turning Eren into the biggest loser in anime history.

Isayama said he wanted to hurt his readers, and tinfoil hat theory, but I think that might've been why he chose the genocide route to begin with.

"Well, since management said I can't do anything with Levi because he carries this series, I'll just have to ruin the second most popular character, Eren. Now what's the most insane, evil, inexcusable thing ever that would still be in character for him that would make rough sense in context to the plot? Let's see, he likes killing and fighting. And the rest of the world clearly wants his race dead. I know! Instead of having the islanders use diplomacy to try to solve everything, I'll have Eren ruin everything by committing global genocide! And I'll give him an over-the-top crazy, and evil cult too just to hammer in how clearly not good this is supposed to be! Haha! The fans will be devastated!"

"...wait, they're not? They like this? They're defending this? Acting like it's a good thing? Treating everything Eren says and does like it's not complete lunacy? Treating him like he's the actual messiah? What the fuck?! And management suddenly says I can't end my manga with main character committing global genocide? What the fuck? Okay then, I'll just turn Eren into the biggest cuck ever, and absolutely crash my story into the ground! That'll show them!"

"...they still think it's good and that Eren's a Gigachad? EIGHT EXTRA PAGES PROVING THEM WRONG IT IS THEN! PARADIS GETS DESTROYED, MIKASA FUCKS JEAN AND HAS A BOATLOAD OF KIDS WITH HIM, LEVI DIES, AND THE TITANS ARE STILL A THING! OH, AND EREN GETS TURNED INTO A TREE! THERE! HOW ABOUT NOW?!"

tl;dr: Isayama was for the genocide ending until he saw the fanbase's reaction and had management tell him no. Then he did a complete 180 because he was so pissed about it.

The main problem is that Eren's motivation for genocide was never explained. Everything Eren is doing is shrouded in this aura of mystery. I totally DO NOT believe he wanted Eren as the villain. Because look at this fucking shot:

That's not the shot of a villain. If Isayama didn't realize his audience would cling onto Eren, he's a fucking idiot. The main problem is Eren's true motives are kept hidden for literal hundreds of chapters, leaving readers to develop their own ideas as to what Eren is doing. He's not portrayed as unhinged or crazy, but as a 'man with a plan'. There's also the problem that Eren can see the past, present and future. I mean, I never trusted the motherfucker, but readers did and I can't blame them. There's the absence of any other plans or alternatives and you've got a guy who can see the future saying its the only way. I mean, what is the audience supposed to think?

Isayama is a bad writer, period. He wanted to troll his audience by providing them with nothing or no hints as to what Eren was. For example, The Shield had Vic Mackey as a villain. To prove this, in the very very FIRST EPISODE, he shoots a fellow cop in the face in cold blood. Sean Ryan is not trying to trick you into thinking he's a bad cop with a heart of gold. No, he's showing you he's an evil motherfucker. Anything else from that point is on you.

Compare that to Isayama who goes 'why you rike him? he wras virran!' with absolutely no evidence. In fact, there's more reason to trust him because he can see the fucking future. The other problem was he never really treated Eren like the antagonist. The other characters really just were carried by him. They had NO solutions to the problem at hand except 'Eren is wrong'. That's really it. They presented absolutely no alternatives.

So there's really nothing hinting that 'hey, maybe you shouldn't trust him' because you've given nothing indicating the reverse. Genocide is bad, but Marley is a nation portrayed with racist brain parasites who cannot do anything but racist. Eren can see the past, present and future. So why wouldn't you? Therein lies the problem of making Eren the villain. Its never explicitly done. He should have been portrayed as broken and insane, but he never is. The panel I used is a classic hero shot. That's not the picture of a villain.

Authors who do this are fucking incompetent, because they have to basically trick the audience instead of basically saying what they mean. There's nothing to convey Eren is supposed to be the villain. There's no alternative resolution (except Zeke's, which was unpopular and Zeke who was basically a straight up detestable villain), Eren is portrayed in heroic imagery and there's no indication that he's wrong or unhinged.

Its basically Isayama doing everything he can to show Eren as heroic and right and then at the very last moment going 'ror! you stupid gaijin! Ereh was virrain! you stupid! you so stupid! I am smart mrangakra!'

And then he shows Eren was right in the end to basically murder the entirety of humanity. Jesus christ Isayama is a fucking trash writer.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It has been a couple years, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I got into the AoT anime season 1 a couple years ago and I think at the time, the first major shitstorm about AoT's setting getting buttfucked emerged.
I continued to watch the show and I really liked it, but the things people said were going down in the newest arc in the manga, especially how it changed the setting and tone of the story, sounded awful. So when I finally got to the last episode, I don't know how much my judgement had been clouded by the shitstorm already, but I could see that shit was going to end badly with the end of Season 1.

The whole thing starts out mysterious and with a lot of suspense, with Titans threatening humanity, humanity fighting back and people getting horribly killed and the survivors being traumatized... Then there's the whole thing with Eren turning into a Titan and it all hints at this culminating into some major reveal and the key to all that seems to be Annie.
The last few episodes of the show revolve around capturing her and getting some answers, but then there's that moment when she gets encased in a giant crystal at the end of S1 and it's a kind of cliffhanger that made my mind explode with a million red flags suddenly being raised.

I really don't know if I was already influenced by the shitstorms, but that moment when the author clearly postponed giving answers by putting Annie in that crystal thingy and turning her into a McGuffin just reminded me so much of Lost. AoT piles up mysteries upon mysteries, and when it has to show its hand to the audience, it stalls and refuses to give even just a small answer. If you ask me, that was a major sign that things would become messy. And lo and behold, the story seems to be even more of a clusterfuck than I expected.

 

[Davis O'Shaughnessy]

whoo boy, the author manages to masterfully create the least interesting ending i've ever read. I can't even be mad about it, since AoT has always been a mix of great "ideas" which barely held together.

My two cents about the ending:
What i took away is that Ymir was so blinded by her desire for love that she forgot about her freedom and Eren was so blinded by his desire for freedom that he forgot about love and when they met in the paths they kinda fullfilled each other in a way. It's meh, since the story is pretty much aromantic and no character has any depth to it, so a romantic twist at the end just falls flat for me.
What i don't get is how people can give the author enough credit to think that Eren had any kind of masterplan, when his entire personality has always been "Dude who moves forward". The entire future memory implantation plot was a complete asspull and it seriously wouldn't have changed anything if it was left out, although the scene with Zeke and Eren was pretty kino.

I dunno... there are some nuggets in it, but in the end the manga didn't leave any impact besides slight disapointment.

 

[Secret Asshole]

86 tackles much the same issues that AoT does, only SO MUCH BETTER. It deals with racism, genocide, war in a realistic manner.

Spoilers for 86:

Spoiler

There's this war where a nation develops an automated combat unit that basically goes crazy and kills that nation, and threatens another. This nation is basically silver haired people with second class citizens living in other districts. When the war comes, all these people are put in one district, the aforementioned 86.

The nation is deluded into thinking that there are no people fighting this war and that its just automated drones, and they're going to win the war in two years. Except its all the people from the 86th, fighting the war for them. And it turns out that this nation is using this war as an excuse to genocide the people from the 86th, who they don't view as human and inferior, because they don't have the silver hair. So they get little reinforcements, no supplies and nothing like that.

The latest episode reveals this and the commander basically goes: "If you know this, why don't you just let the legion overrun the Empire?" And one of the characters goes, "There's good people in the empire and there's scum among the 86. One isn't better than the other. And if we've got a choice going up to the gallows, we'd rather fight and die than simply take it/"

Thematically its such a better told story. It doesn't have the retarded mystery boxes that AoT has, Isayama pretending to be smarter than his audience (WOW, SHOCEKR ITS EASY TO FOOL SOMEONE IF YOU CONTROL ALL THE INFORMATION) and the themes are so much better and make more sense than the pure garbage from this faggot.

 

[ElAbominacion]

Chad Kaneki never wanted to lead or be part of a species slated for genocide but he led them to a diplomatic entente, fucking his waifu with absolutely no cucking.

Pathetic virgin incel Eren had the opportunity to lead a people and had the grand idea to genocide the whole world, failed to fuck his waifu.

TG>AoT