Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Doctor of Autism]

Honestly Eren is worse when you think more about his actions post-timeskip. He is a fucking terrible friend since his motive is that he supposedly wants to help his friends live long lives (which happened judging by the new pages) yet he literally cares nothing for his friends desires especially when he:

- Never told anyone shit about the new information he received because he decided to be a slave to fate, never bothered trying to change the future, and let some retarded stockholm syndrome kid control him
- Ruined all of their own efforts to establish some form of diplomacy based on one meeting of racist douchebags and "MUH FUTURE VISION"
- Let a cult of retarded nationalists rise up and let the guy who is clearly an unhinged psychopath control them. Even letting them make things harder for the people he cares about.
- Made the world more justifiably angry at his island by committing a terrorist attack and forced his friends to bail him out which killed one of his supposed "closest friends"
- Never bothered trying another solution besides genocide first.
- In the end, had to force his friends to clean up his mess which gave his homeland at most 100-200 years

What is it with writers trying to make sympathetic villains who constantly fail? This isn't even a Japanese thing this has happened for fucking decades even where they try to give a noble motive to make the villain sympathetic and it's a failure.

 

[Random Internet Person]

What is it with writers trying to make sympathetic villains who constantly fail? This isn't even a Japanese thing this has happened for fucking decades even where they try to give a noble motive to make the villain sympathetic and it's a failure.

An attempt to make characters three dimensional and flawed and whatnot. You know how some people hate the super noble type of Superman from the likes of Richard Donner and All Star Superman because e's goody goody and a Boy Scout and nobody is genuinely that nice and wholesome in reality? Try to imagine a villain version of...that.

Alternatively, some people can't imagine someone being a complete and utter monster wit no redeeming qualities because most villains have the idea of "hero of their own story". Characters like The Joker who only do things to satisfy their own weird sense of humor are really rare in pretty much anything.

At the same time, you also got people who think people can't be villains because "they fight for a noble cause".

Honestly Eren is worse when you think more about his actions post-timeskip. He is a fucking terrible friend since his motive is that he supposedly wants to help his friends live long lives (which happened judging by the new pages) yet he literally cares nothing for his friends desires especially when he:

- Never told anyone shit about the new information he received because he decided to be a slave to fate, never bothered trying to change the future, and let some retarded stockholm syndrome kid control him
- Ruined all of their own efforts to establish some form of diplomacy based on one meeting of racist douchebags and "MUH FUTURE VISION"
- Let a cult of retarded nationalists rise up and let the guy who is clearly an unhinged psychopath control them. Even letting them make things harder for the people he cares about.
- Made the world more justifiably angry at his island by committing a terrorist attack and forced his friends to bail him out which killed one of his supposed "closest friends"
- Never bothered trying another solution besides genocide first.
- In the end, had to force his friends to clean up his mess which gave his homeland at most 100-200 year

Wasn't part of his plan to also have everyone hate him? Maybe he thought it'd be hard for his buddies to buy his scheme if they were in on it....or something.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

An attempt to make characters three dimensional and flawed and whatnot. You know how some people hate the super noble type of Superman from the likes of Richard Donner and All Star Superman because e's goody goody and a Boy Scout and nobody is genuinely that nice and wholesome in reality? Try to imagine a villain version of...that.

Alternatively, some people can't imagine someone being a complete and utter monster wit no redeeming qualities because most villains have the idea of "hero of their own story". Characters like The Joker who only do things to satisfy their own weird sense of humor are really rare in pretty much anything.

At the same time, you also got people who think people can't be villains because "they fight for a noble cause".

Honestly I have seen those types of villains before and it really gets stupid how the writer acts like they have some nobility yet do these horrible actions that contradict what supposed morals they have (Perfect example of this is the original Jigsaw from the Saw series.)

Wasn't part of his plan to also have everyone hate him? Maybe he thought it'd be hard for his buddies to buy his scheme if they were in on it....or something.

Yeah it was but it was to prop up his friends as heroes and even then it falls apart since Eren told all his friends about his plan and then deleted their memories of his talk until the last minute. It's still a shitty plan since there were alternatives but Eren was an immature child about it. It doesn't help we don't see the terrible future that led him to do the rumbling beyond just taking his word for it. Like it could've easily been fixed in those "8 new pages" where Paradis being destroyed was what he saw in the future and showed Armin it, but Isayama didn't think things through (which pretty much applies to a good portion of the Post-Timeskip).

 

[ElAbominacion]

I'll give you credit for admitting you were wrong on the internet instead of just fading off into the sunset like some other defenders when stuff came out that was absolutely shit. Though I feel kind of bad, because a lot of the stuff I said just came true like Paradis being a burning wreck and nothing ever getting solved.

At uh, at least there's the soundtrack? I guess?

This video, which basically foreshadows Eren murdering his friends and the world, but in the end making the world a peaceful, but better place.

I do kind of feel like his editors made him change it. And when he couldn't have what he wanted, he defaulted to 'hurting' his audience by just being a fucking cunt. I mean, I don't care, I find the whole thing fucking hilarious. I've never seen a story rendered utterly pointless before. Nothing is resolved. Titans are still around, Paradis seems to be utterly annihilated back to the stone age, and the conflict is just going to happen all over again.

Its really funny, basically going 'lol Eren was right, but it still happens anyway'. I think its idiotic and hilarious, and he didn't hurt me but made me laugh my ass off at how he deceived people into thinking he was some sort of genius and then and goes and releases an extended cut of the ending that just stomps on people that liked it, removing all ambiguity that MAYBE things worked out (they didn't). Its like Bran becoming King because he tells the best stories level of retardation.

I know people said its not worth talking about, but I can't help myself because it is just so bad, that it is a lesson in awful story-telling. Plot, characterization, foreshadowing, tone, genre, pacing...its really all here.


Because if it was Isayama, then Attack on Titan would be cemented as legendary. Berserk has now been cemented in myth and story-telling legend, a Shakespearean tragedy of a great, unfinished masterwork, in which our imaginations will carry the will of Miura, making the ending greater than anything we would have seen with our own eyes. With his death, he has become immortal. Let Isayama shit in his onsen.


I mean, its really hard for me to think about. Did Isayama have the genocide ending in mind? It seems like it, because every piece of foreshadowing pointed to it. To do such a harsh 180 in the last few chapters seems very strange. But he might have. He is CLEARLY shitting on people who liked Eren and basically mocking them at this point, with Jean getting the girl and having him sitting in the puddle of piss crying like a baby.

Its just there as a constant hook and its a very very very very old device where mangaka didn't think their mangas would last long, so the will-they or won't-they kept people from buying. Its generally why I like seinen better, because romance is generally more straightforward.

Some Shonen has been getting better with this, giving subtle cues to the audience its not going to happen, like Black Clover, where Asta is autistic and is in love with a celibate nun, not even giving a shit if other women want him

I'd like to thank you for indicating 86. That is good storytelling. The cards are on the table and the author isn't pretending there's a master plan.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Popped up on YouTube. Feels like this scene is the last time things made some coherent sense.

And also...sinking ships:

 

[Secret Asshole]

I don't think Attack on Titan as a whole was bad. It was pretty good. What I'm going to do is just pretend it all ended at 123. Eren rumbled everything beyond Eldia and that was that.

At least that makes sense. Why the fuck did Eren go through with fucking genocide if everything he hoped to accomplish could have just been done with Zeke's euthanization plan? Sure. It's cucked as all hell and fucked up but Jesus fucking Christ! At least in Zeke's plan none of your friends had to die fighting for nothing, everyone lived relatively long and happy lives, and titans actually would stop existing within a hundred years or so. In Eren's genocide plan he buys Paradis at most 200 years; probably less and more like a hundred,Some of his friends like Hange die unnecessarily—the core reason for his genocide being so his friends could live long and happy lives, 80% of humanity is exterminated for pretty much no reason, Eren doesn't get to fuck his hapa waifu even if they can't have kids, Titans don't go extinct, and that's pretty much it.

Everything Eren did had no point. From Eren's perspective you can argue that he had no way of knowing his decision would end this badly, but the audience perspective this is just Isayama taking a big fat shit on Eren as a character and saying, "Nah you stupid motherfucker. Everything you believe is wrong. You should have let Zeke snip you dude."

Part of the reason I get fired up is that AoT had SO MUCH potential, to see it squandered for JJ Abrams mystery boxes is just fucking tragic.

Eren's plan as a whole doesn't make sense. Zeke's makes more sense, if you want to look at it to end conflict. No more titans, everyone just fucks and lives in paradise until they die of old age, in peace without fear of being devoured. Yeah, Zeke is a villain, but in terms of death, its a much better plan. I mean, the guy is a murderer and a villain and even HE doesn't think killing the entirety of humanity is the solution. And if you weigh the toll of suffering and misery, Zeke's plan has much much less of it. There are far less people on Paradis than the rest of the world.

I mean, anyone with half a brain can see that the plan on its face is dumb. Killing 80% of humanity, causing so much suffering and death and then what, leaving it to a roll of the dice as you just peace out? The fuck? No. That's fucking retarded. Its why Eren had to be insane or unhinged. Instead he thinks his LeDouche plan is going to be effective. I mean, what? You have no way of knowing if that's going to work or not. And it might only work for a while, and it will breed INTENSE resentment. You may as well go for the fucking 100% run at that point.

But yes, Zeke's plan is the clear winner. Less death, peace, worry free fucking, no more titans, no more genocides, fade off into the sunset. Eren's plan? Murder, suffering, death, destruction, constant escalation of armed conflict because Paradis has to defend itself, a very real risk of Armin's peace completely failing after he's gone. I mean, you look at it, its just retarded. Eren needed to be insane to have this plan. And he's just not. Its clear its just Isayama shitting on Eren, laughing at his audience. I mean, the manga will be memorable. Not in the way he thinks. Its memorable in the way when you're on the bus and a retard shits his pants. That's how its going to be remembered.

Honestly the issue with this that it could’ve been good but Isayama had to be retarded in his portrayal of racism where everyone in the world wants Eldians dead (even though they somehow suck the dick of some rich Eldian Family at every turn). Really Eren being fucking nuts could’ve been effective if the world weren’t full of dumb racists and Eren had been influenced by his Dad and Kruger rather than a ghost kid. Honestly the Post-Timeskip has so many flaws in its writing it’s astounding.

This is why time-skips are almost universally terrible. I remember WAAYYY back in the thread me and @Bunny Tracks had a discussion about how it could have easily worked where Eren was abused and rendered insane by the Scout Squad, generally painting them as villains. It would be really easy to do it, and a commentary on treating people as the 'other' and filling their head with violence. The problem is that it doesn't rely on mystery boxes to move the plot along. It requires genuine understanding of human emotion. Of how being abused shapes a person. Attack on Titan would be a GREAT story with themes of abuse, loss and pain. How abuse twists and shapes a person.

Eren could be a tragic character, rendered insane by his treatment. His world view so twisted he cannot tell what is real from fake anymore. You'd have to get rid of the fake Game of Thrones bullshit and the Yaegerist garbage, but it works. You could have Eren completely misinterpreting Marleyan society thinking its wildly racist, but its his insane mind twisting things. You could even have Floch or someone like him be a figment of his imagination.

An insane Eren, created by the abuse he suffered at the hands of the scouts who just treated him like a weapon, not like a person. So when the time for peace comes, he just doesn't know what to do. He's discarded and treated like an abomination. So he just snaps and does what a weapon does: be used. There doesn't need to be a master plan here, just a sad tale of abuse. Yeah, its dark, but its better than the fucking dog shit we got.

I'd like to thank you for indicating 86. That is good storytelling. The cards are on the table and the author isn't pretending there's a master plan.

Yeah, I'll always promote 86. I think it is criminally underrated. It explores more of the human toll on war, and actual racism. How racism can be irrational (realistically mind you, not just with fucking brain parasites like AoT) and how generally, people on both sides of the fence can be bad people. It does everything Isayama thought he was doing but because he's just an autistic troll who is shit at writing, does it a thousand times better.

If there is going to be a sequel to AoT, it should be wholly given to the guy who did Before the Fall and have Isayama far, FAR away from it.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Part of the reason I get fired up is that AoT had SO MUCH potential, to see it squandered for JJ Abrams mystery boxes is just fucking tragic.

I mean, even if it stuck with the "killing Titans and saving humanity" bit without Marley vs Eldia and all the shit that came after the basement, I think that AOT would still be seen as a decent shonen that marked the time it came out and Isayama would still be the creator that managed to strike the jackpot with an IP that cemented himself as a name in the industry.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Part of the reason I get fired up is that AoT had SO MUCH potential, to see it squandered for JJ Abrams mystery boxes is just fucking tragic.

Eren's plan as a whole doesn't make sense. Zeke's makes more sense, if you want to look at it to end conflict. No more titans, everyone just fucks and lives in paradise until they die of old age, in peace without fear of being devoured. Yeah, Zeke is a villain, but in terms of death, its a much better plan. I mean, the guy is a murderer and a villain and even HE doesn't think killing the entirety of humanity is the solution. And if you weigh the toll of suffering and misery, Zeke's plan has much much less of it. There are far less people on Paradis than the rest of the world.

I mean, anyone with half a brain can see that the plan on its face is dumb. Killing 80% of humanity, causing so much suffering and death and then what, leaving it to a roll of the dice as you just peace out? The fuck? No. That's fucking retarded. Its why Eren had to be insane or unhinged. Instead he thinks his LeDouche plan is going to be effective. I mean, what? You have no way of knowing if that's going to work or not. And it might only work for a while, and it will breed INTENSE resentment. You may as well go for the fucking 100% run at that point.

But yes, Zeke's plan is the clear winner. Less death, peace, worry free fucking, no more titans, no more genocides, fade off into the sunset. Eren's plan? Murder, suffering, death, destruction, constant escalation of armed conflict because Paradis has to defend itself, a very real risk of Armin's peace completely failing after he's gone. I mean, you look at it, its just retarded. Eren needed to be insane to have this plan. And he's just not. Its clear its just Isayama shitting on Eren, laughing at his audience. I mean, the manga will be memorable. Not in the way he thinks. Its memorable in the way when you're on the bus and a retard shits his pants. That's how its going to be remembered.

Hell not only is there Zeke's plan, but there are lots of other things that could've been done but Eren preferred to take the Christian Weston Chandler of doing things by shitting his pants and doing nothing while letting the future decide. The fact Eren relied on to see if other things differ from his future vision instead of doing something on his own was really dumb. Hell there was the 50 year plan proposed by Not!Japan which was actually reasonable. The Lelouche plan was dumb and makes me convinced that Eren was the dumbest member of the Survey Corps and probably scored lower than Sasha and Connie on an IQ test.

Of course it doesn't help the rumbling required very stupid decisions for the sake of plot convenience in order for it to happen (like how after the Warriors were defeated, not a single enemy of Marley bothered to look into the Island for how it defeated them or the Rich Eldian Asshole somehow beloved by everyone never bothered to take diplomacy measures just to not incentivize the very real threat of the rumbling from actually happening). Of course this required Isayama from portraying literally everyone who isn't Eldian/the non-Japanese of being Dhar Mann-tier racist bullies (Note: It would've been fine if it was just Marley and a handful of countries).

But no one would acknowledge this because Attack on Titan's most vocal critics that are known to the public are a bunch of faggots who whined about being denied of kino of Eren literally killing everyone for his blonde waifu and daughter to live a fairy tale ending with the vague notion of Eren feeling bad about it.

This is why time-skips are almost universally terrible. I remember WAAYYY back in the thread me and @Bunny Tracks had a discussion about how it could have easily worked where Eren was abused and rendered insane by the Scout Squad, generally painting them as villains. It would be really easy to do it, and a commentary on treating people as the 'other' and filling their head with violence. The problem is that it doesn't rely on mystery boxes to move the plot along. It requires genuine understanding of human emotion. Of how being abused shapes a person. Attack on Titan would be a GREAT story with themes of abuse, loss and pain. How abuse twists and shapes a person.

Eren could be a tragic character, rendered insane by his treatment. His world view so twisted he cannot tell what is real from fake anymore. You'd have to get rid of the fake Game of Thrones bullshit and the Yaegerist garbage, but it works. You could have Eren completely misinterpreting Marleyan society thinking its wildly racist, but its his insane mind twisting things. You could even have Floch or someone like him be a figment of his imagination.

An insane Eren, created by the abuse he suffered at the hands of the scouts who just treated him like a weapon, not like a person. So when the time for peace comes, he just doesn't know what to do. He's discarded and treated like an abomination. So he just snaps and does what a weapon does: be used. There doesn't need to be a master plan here, just a sad tale of abuse. Yeah, its dark, but its better than the fucking dog shit we got.

Yeah, I'll always promote 86. I think it is criminally underrated. It explores more of the human toll on war, and actual racism. How racism can be irrational (realistically mind you, not just with fucking brain parasites like AoT) and how generally, people on both sides of the fence can be bad people. It does everything Isayama thought he was doing but because he's just an autistic troll who is shit at writing, does it a thousand times better.

If there is going to be a sequel to AoT, it should be wholly given to the guy who did Before the Fall and have Isayama far, FAR away from it.

Hell Eren's insanity could've also been from having the memories of others cloud his judgement to show the real consequences of having these powers especially with how his Dad and Kruger both held very deep hatred for Marley from their negative experiences and probably lashed out thinking they can't be forgiven. There are plenty of better ways to make Eren evil or tragic instead of bullshit future vision powers that make no sense. The story could've also gone in a direction of some war shit where it's the Island and various allies against a terrible empire, it's cliché sure but clichés work for a reason. Really the build up for what actually happened could've been handled better if Isayama understood how geopolitics/racism actually worked instead of making everyone who isn't a named character + Eren and his Yaegerist friends retarded.

AoT likely won't have a sequel if the rumors of Isayama wanting to develop a dark comedy series instead are true (If that's true, that honestly sounds like a better field for him) and I kinda doubt there is much left to do with the story at that point.

 

[Übertroon]

Hell not only is there Zeke's plan, but there are lots of other things that could've been done but Eren preferred to take the Christian Weston Chandler of doing things by shitting his pants and doing nothing while letting the future decide. The fact Eren relied on to see if other things differ from his future vision instead of doing something on his own was really dumb. Hell there was the 50 year plan proposed by Not!Japan which was actually reasonable. The Lelouche plan was dumb and makes me convinced that Eren was the dumbest member of the Survey Corps and probably scored lower than Sasha and Connie on an IQ test.

Zeke's plan was equally as extreme as Eren's. Sure it technically means no casualties, but it's basically genocide of the entire Eldian race because one fatso was a self hating Eldian.

The 50 year plan also hinges upon Zeke cooperating for a limited display of the rumbling. Zeke would only cooperate if the euthanasia plan is followed through. Their options are actually more limited than they think. Especially as Marley desperately wants the war to grab the resources on Paradis.
The problem arises in how Eren chooses to execute his plan. If it's a choice between genocide of the Eldian race, or killing most of humanity, or the stupid Lelouch plot, why deceive his friends? Well obviously so Isayama can simultaneously deceive the audience, but in the end it means the actions taking by Eren becomes nonsensical.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

This is why time-skips are almost universally terrible. I remember WAAYYY back in the thread me and @Bunny Tracks had a discussion about how it could have easily worked where Eren was abused and rendered insane by the Scout Squad, generally painting them as villains. It would be really easy to do it, and a commentary on treating people as the 'other' and filling their head with violence. The problem is that it doesn't rely on mystery boxes to move the plot along. It requires genuine understanding of human emotion. Of how being abused shapes a person. Attack on Titan would be a GREAT story with themes of abuse, loss and pain. How abuse twists and shapes a person.

Eren could be a tragic character, rendered insane by his treatment. His world view so twisted he cannot tell what is real from fake anymore. You'd have to get rid of the fake Game of Thrones bullshit and the Yaegerist garbage, but it works. You could have Eren completely misinterpreting Marleyan society thinking its wildly racist, but its his insane mind twisting things. You could even have Floch or someone like him be a figment of his imagination.

An insane Eren, created by the abuse he suffered at the hands of the scouts who just treated him like a weapon, not like a person. So when the time for peace comes, he just doesn't know what to do. He's discarded and treated like an abomination. So he just snaps and does what a weapon does: be used. There doesn't need to be a master plan here, just a sad tale of abuse. Yeah, its dark, but its better than the fucking dog shit we got.

My favorite thing about this prior discussion is that you really don't have to change anything in the series for this scenario to work. It's that just easy.

But I've been thinking, and I'm just gonna say it; the last half (third?) of this arc has just been one giant shitpost.

>The Pig Revelation
>Falco can fly
>The Annie pie scene/People forgiving Annie in general
>The leaf baseball thing
>Eren's incel meltdown
>Armin thanking Eren for the global genocide
>Ymir saying she loves her sadist, pedo, enslaver rapist
>Eren turning into a bird
>Eren turns into a tree
>The Fritz death retcon
>Just the sheer amount of Ls dumped on Eren
>Probably a bunch of other stuff I forgot

This is not meant to be taken seriously. This guy has just been trolling for last half/third of this thing. I'm sorry, but when I put it all together, I just can't see how any of it was meant to be taken as anything other than a joke.

I know I change my opinion on Yams like every five pages, but at this point, I just can't see any way this guy just ain't fucking with us.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

And he's just not. Its clear its just Isayama shitting on Eren, laughing at his audience. I mean, the manga will be memorable. Not in the way he thinks. Its memorable in the way when you're on the bus and a retard shits his pants. That's how its going to be remembered.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd describe it as a three course meal that's excellent and then you get to dessert and you're eating it, and you see a worm crawl out of the pierce of cake you were eating. It lessens the entire meal overall and ruins the dessert, but that was still a damn good stake and whatnot.

 

[ElAbominacion]

I wouldn't go that far. I'd describe it as a three course meal that's excellent and then you get to dessert and you're eating it, and you see a worm crawl out of the pierce of cake you were eating. It lessens the entire meal overall and ruins the dessert, but that was still a damn good stake and whatnot.

That would require the cook to know what he was doing for the most part. Read 86. It's day and night.

 

[Chilson]

I wouldn't go that far. I'd describe it as a three course meal that's excellent and then you get to dessert and you're eating it, and you see a worm crawl out of the pierce of cake you were eating. It lessens the entire meal overall and ruins the dessert, but that was still a damn good stake and whatnot.

I would describe it as a three course meal with an excellent first course, a fine second course, a bad third course and a fucking rotted desert.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I wouldn't go that far. I'd describe it as a three course meal that's excellent and then you get to dessert and you're eating it, and you see a worm crawl out of the pierce of cake you were eating. It lessens the entire meal overall and ruins the dessert, but that was still a damn good stake and whatnot.

The kind of story Attack on Titan is can’t really be compared that way. It’s one continuous narrative, not a bunch of discrete sections that can be enjoyed independently.

I’m going to bring up Prison School again, because it’s first arc (which is what the anime covers) is a really good self-contained story that works as a standalone story. You could literally ignore everything that comes after it (and you probably should, because it’s all downhill from there) because everything gets tied up and you have an ambiguous yet hopeful ending that works as a series finale.

Chainsawman is another good example. Despite Part 2 being somewhere on the horizon, what exists now is a really good self-contained story without any major loose ends, and if Part 2 sucks? You can just ignore it because the first part stands on its own.

AOT doesn’t work like that. It’s all about the buildup and the overarching story and the reveals. If it blows the ending, then it retroactively fucks up everything that came before it too, because now you know none of it really mattered at all.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Guys.

Guys.

Treedom.

That is all.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The kind of story Attack on Titan is can’t really be compared that way. It’s one continuous narrative, not a bunch of discrete sections that can be enjoyed independently.

I’m going to bring up Prison School again, because it’s first arc (which is what the anime covers) is a really good self-contained story that works as a standalone story. You could literally ignore everything that comes after it (and you probably should, because it’s all downhill from there) because everything gets tied up and you have an ambiguous yet hopeful ending that works as a series finale.

Chainsawman is another good example. Despite Part 2 being somewhere on the horizon, what exists now is a really good self-contained story without any major loose ends, and if Part 2 sucks? You can just ignore it because the first part stands on its own.

AOT doesn’t work like that. It’s all about the buildup and the overarching story and the reveals. If it blows the ending, then it retroactively fucks up everything that came before it too, because now you know none of it really mattered at all.

The only real way the show could have ended before a timeskip was that the titan problem was solved before the basement reveal. Then have it where you reach the ocean and Eren and company are left to figure out how to deal with a new world that's much bigger than they thought it was.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Guys.

Guys.

Treedom.

That is all.

THEY CAN TAKE AWAY OUR PIGS BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR TREEDOM

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"Pigs, Birds....BASEBALLS...These Unstoppable Ideals are held in the hearts of Incels, So long as there are those who seek Treedom they shall never fade from this world.

"I don’t want to Rumble anything. I just think the guy with the most Treedom in this whole ocean… is the Pirate CUCK"

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Attention AOT readers!

Treesticles

That is all.

Ftfy

 

[Doctor of Autism]

My favorite thing about this prior discussion is that you really don't have to change anything in the series for this scenario to work. It's that just easy.

But I've been thinking, and I'm just gonna say it; the last half (third?) of this arc has just been one giant shitpost.

>The Pig Revelation
>Falco can fly
>The Annie pie scene/People forgiving Annie in general
>The leaf baseball thing
>Eren's incel meltdown
>Armin thanking Eren for the global genocide
>Ymir saying she loves her sadist, pedo, enslaver rapist
>Eren turning into a bird
>Eren turns into a tree
>The Fritz death retcon
>Just the sheer amount of Ls dumped on Eren
>Probably a bunch of other stuff I forgot

This is not meant to be taken seriously. This guy has just been trolling for last half this thing. I'm sorry, but when I put it all together, I just can't see how any of it was meant to be taken as anything other than a joke.

I know I change my opinion on Yams like every five pages, but at this point, I just can't see any way this guy just ain't fucking with us.

I think Isayama probably expresses his real thoughts on shit in the whole High School Caste thing which looking over is a bunch of shitpost ideas and he doesn't even give a shit about much especially considering his favorite Attack on Titan chapter was the one where everyone was fucking around before the RTS arc.

Attack on Titan is a flawed story but Isayama is a fucking genius for trolling the part of his fanbase who believed AOT was some story that would show some gigachad destroying the world, but saving his people with a nice trad wife and daughter that would show the importance of "patriotism". Honestly I have never felt this way about anything since the aftermath of the 2020 election that had a disappointing outcome but people more pissed off became too funny.

The kind of story Attack on Titan is can’t really be compared that way. It’s one continuous narrative, not a bunch of discrete sections that can be enjoyed independently.

I’m going to bring up Prison School again, because it’s first arc (which is what the anime covers) is a really good self-contained story that works as a standalone story. You could literally ignore everything that comes after it (and you probably should, because it’s all downhill from there) because everything gets tied up and you have an ambiguous yet hopeful ending that works as a series finale.

Chainsawman is another good example. Despite Part 2 being somewhere on the horizon, what exists now is a really good self-contained story without any major loose ends, and if Part 2 sucks? You can just ignore it because the first part stands on its own.

AOT doesn’t work like that. It’s all about the buildup and the overarching story and the reveals. If it blows the ending, then it retroactively fucks up everything that came before it too, because now you know none of it really mattered at all.

Honestly with AOT, I think everything up to the Ocean can be self-contained as there were really not many loose ends with the only exception of how to deal with the enemy beyond the sea and Zeke. Everything before the Timeskip is honestly pretty great while after the timeskip was much weaker with only some hints of good stuff or concepts.

 

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Honestly with AOT, I think everything up to the Ocean can be self-contained as there were really not many loose ends with the only exception of how to deal with the enemy beyond the sea and Zeke. Everything before the Timeskip is honestly pretty great while after the timeskip was much weaker with only some hints of good stuff or concepts.

That's what I've been thinking too. Except that there was a pathway to keep things contained and small scale and a through line to have things simple, but that wasn't taken.