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Regardless of the outcome, the fact that more people will be forced to come to the realization that the world outside of the US isn't some vast gay utopia will make it all worth it.

If a poll was done to test people's knowledge of laws regarding same sex marriage world wide, you'd find a large portion if not a majority of Americans who consider themselves allies of the LGBT community are under the impression that every other western nation started recognizing same sex marriage at least a decade ago.

The results across the world wouldn't be much better, i guarantee you there are Australians throwing a bitch fit over this who have just now come to the realization that their country didn't recognize same sex marriage. I remember a few years ago, i watched something where a British guy was among a group of Americans and the topic of gay marriage came up. He stated that opposition to gay marriage was primarily an American phenomenon and that Europe had moved on from such archaic notions. He was told that Britain had literally just started recognizing same sex marriage that same year and was dumbfounded.
 
Regardless of the outcome, the fact that more people will be forced to come to the realization that the world outside of the US isn't some vast gay utopia will make it all worth it.

If a poll was done to test people's knowledge of laws regarding same sex marriage world wide, you'd find a large portion if not a majority of Americans who consider themselves allies of the LGBT community are under the impression that every other western nation started recognizing same sex marriage at least a decade ago.

The results across the world wouldn't be much better, i guarantee you there are Australians throwing a bitch fit over this who have just now come to the realization that their country didn't recognize same sex marriage. I remember a few years ago, i watched something where a British guy was among a group of Americans and the topic of gay marriage came up. He stated that opposition to gay marriage was primarily an American phenomenon and that Europe had moved on from such archaic notions. He was told that Britain had literally just started recognizing same sex marriage that same year and was dumbfounded.
Tell me about it. Its pretty common knowledge that SJWs are America centric. But it is truly shocking just how idealized their view of the rest of the world is. Actually... no scratch that. Its truly shocking how idealized their view of even "Blue"/Liberal areas of America is. Case in point. All that California/Prop 8 stuff we were talking about on the last page.
 
The “No” Campaign Is Gaining Ground, It’s Time To Change Tactics

This piece is written by Robin Banks, the former Tasmanian Anti-Discrimination Commissioner, and Rodney Croome, a long-time marriage equality advocate. Together they argue that the Yes campaign needs to shift tactics.

The two of us are alarmed by the increasing number of people we encounter who previously supported marriage equality, but who now say they are voting No, or just not voting.

The almost universal reason they give is that the No case’s talking points about freedom, school curricula, and to a lesser extent who should raise children, have struck home.

The No Campaign Is Very Good At Distraction
We know how skilled opponents of marriage equality are at muddying the waters, and pipping marriage equality at the post.

We’ve saw it in 2012 when a state same-sex marriage bill we worked hard to gather support for was defeated by just one vote in the Tasmanian Upper House after a last minute campaign to confuse and confound MPs. We are seeing the same tactic now, and we are anxious it will deliver a similar outcome.

We all know what the No campaign’s strategy is: it has lost the argument against marriage equality and now it is seeking to sow doubt in the minds of soft Yes voters with scare campaigns about gay sex ed, attacks on people of faith, marrying bridges, the abolition of Christmas, you name it.

The No campaign hopes these doubts will sway soft Yes voters to the No side, or at least create enough uncertainty that they will decide not to vote. In effect, the No side is running a voter suppression campaign.

It seems to be working, with support for the Yes case sliding in the polls and the percentage of undecided and No voters going up. It’s true that such a slide is to be expected, that Yes is still ahead and that the bulk of Yes votes will be posted back in the next few days.

It’s Time To Shift Gears
But for marriage equality to get over the line the Yes campaign will need as many of the complacent, reluctant and doubtful Yes voters as possible to return their votes over the coming weeks.

Up until now, the Yes campaign message of love, commitment, fairness and equality has been perfect for reaching and mobilising strong supporters of marriage equality. That message needs to continue.

But we are worried that the upbeat message we’re seen so far won’t be compelling enough to overcome doubt and ensure an emphatic Yes vote.

These upbeat messages worked in Ireland because the opposition to marriage equality came chiefly from Catholic bishops whose moral authority was already compromised by a series of child abuse scandals. In Australia, the No campaign is much tougher and better resourced than it was in Ireland. It has learnt from Trump and Brexit how to generate and manipulate fear.

That’s why we are proposing the Yes campaign pivot towards countering the No side’s negative campaign.

It’s vital the public sees Christian clergy making the case that marriage equality will enhance religious freedom, not diminish it.

It’s vital principals and teachers have the chance to explain publicly that the priority for schools is dealing with the prejudice faced by LGBTI students, not “radical sex education”, and that what the Marriage Act doesn’t affect this.

Same-sex couples raising children should have a platform so they can explain that the choice before Australia right now is not whether children have a mother and a father, but whether their children can have married parents. We should explain to Australians that No case talking points were run in every other country, and that they weren’t given credence there and they shouldn’t be given credence here.

We know some people will respond by saying “don’t give the other side more air time”.

But they already have five times as much air time as us and their arguments have now been given even more coverage thanks to the contemptible attack against Tony Abbott.

The arguments are out there and we need to address them or risk looking like we are trying to hide something.

We know some people will say “don’t chase every nonsense argument down a rabbit hole”. That’s true, but some No case talking points are more compelling than others and demand a reasoned response.

We believe that, as a general rule, it is always better to challenge prejudice than sidestep it. Our combined experience has taught us that the long-term benefits of tackling prejudice always outweigh the short term difficulties. But in this case tackling prejudice is absolutely critical in the short term as well.

A Successful “No” Vote Would Be A Disaster
A second critical element to responding to the No campaign’s arguments is for the Yes campaign to remind Australians just how bad a No vote will be.

We want Australia to hear from the elderly partners who will not be able to marry before they die, from the children of same-sex couples who will face more discrimination, and from the young LGBTIQ+ people who will be demoralised if their country rejects them.

We want people in the middle to hear that there will be consequences to voting No — big ones, and bad ones. We’re not talking about apocalyptic messages that have the potential to increase the anxiety felt by LGBTIQ+ people and their families.

We’re talking about giving a voice to the large number of LGBTIQ+ people who are already anxious of what a No vote will mean, so they can honestly and openly express their concerns to their fellow Australians.

To restate: our proposals do not mean an end to upbeat messages about why marriage equality is important. We want to see the development of new and more effective ways to cancel out the No side’s negative campaigning

And here are some memes from the Equal Marriage Rights Australia page on Facebook.

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I have seen the above posted in every conversation about the postal survey that has taken place on Facebook by those who refuse to take responsibility for poisoning the well, and the images below were created by a Yes campaigner.

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Lol, as if muslims are pro LGBT...Why do SJWs get this idea that them of all people would be in favor of da gays?
 
We had the same kind of shit in France when Hollande was elected, one of his election promise was gay marriage and he delivered the madman. Of course the population had nothing to say about it, only politicians. People grew to hate the subject because the debate was too long, each day you'd get bombarded by the news about the sessions.
Of course, because we're fucking frogs and always mad at something, people did marches and protests.
The anti-side was named "La Manif Pour Tous", which regrouped right-wing,church associations, far-right, neo-nazis or just simple "concerned citizen" not affiliated to a political movement.
This woman was one of their leaders, Frigide Barjot (scene name, it's a pun, "Frigid Crazy" if I translate it)

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The pro-side didn't have a name, it almost didn't exist, it was just random groups for LGBTQ+ support publishing shit on the anti-side on social medias or promoting their ideas.

We had a lot of lulz during all of this:
Femens spraying fake jizz in the face of anti marchers while dressed as sexy topless nuns:

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(I think the one on the left was their PR representative until we found out she did camshows and sold her panties)

A baby was also sprayed but the media focused on the aftermath:
They were promptly fucked up by the random men in the assembly and escorted out by the police:

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Typical rich parisien teens and men fighting with the riot police:

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Et tu, Brute?

All of this just for a law which concerns less than 3% of the population.
 
It's funny how Spain, a country considered by many as a cripplingly catholic third world shithole, was actually one of the first places to recognize faggot marriage. Many Very Progressive countries are still struggling with the concept.

Both sides seem incredibly exceptional in the Australian debate. I thought Aussies were sort of level-headed and not prone to banner waving political ral-
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All of this just for a law which concerns less than 3% of the population.

I think this is what really irks me about the victim du' jour mentality 97% of the populace is going to be late for work because roads are being blocked in protest of how they aren't the 3%.....
 

"Oh no, they're using mild versions of the tactics we've been using for decades! What do?"
"Quick, make random, unconnected statements about the things they do and use disagreeable pictures so we can make them look like bad people. Ooh, look, a picture of a Catholic priest! Let's use that! Everyone hates religious people, right?"

ETA: Also, I cannot imagine how a guy could care about parenting and worry that underage girls might be raped at the same time. I mean, being molested is a normal, healthy part of growing up, right...?
 
The “No” Campaign Is Gaining Ground, It’s Time To Change Tactics

This piece is written by Robin Banks, the former Tasmanian Anti-Discrimination Commissioner, and Rodney Croome, a long-time marriage equality advocate. Together they argue that the Yes campaign needs to shift tactics.

The two of us are alarmed by the increasing number of people we encounter who previously supported marriage equality, but who now say they are voting No, or just not voting.

The almost universal reason they give is that the No case’s talking points about freedom, school curricula, and to a lesser extent who should raise children, have struck home.

The No Campaign Is Very Good At Distraction
We know how skilled opponents of marriage equality are at muddying the waters, and pipping marriage equality at the post.

We’ve saw it in 2012 when a state same-sex marriage bill we worked hard to gather support for was defeated by just one vote in the Tasmanian Upper House after a last minute campaign to confuse and confound MPs. We are seeing the same tactic now, and we are anxious it will deliver a similar outcome.

We all know what the No campaign’s strategy is: it has lost the argument against marriage equality and now it is seeking to sow doubt in the minds of soft Yes voters with scare campaigns about gay sex ed, attacks on people of faith, marrying bridges, the abolition of Christmas, you name it.

The No campaign hopes these doubts will sway soft Yes voters to the No side, or at least create enough uncertainty that they will decide not to vote. In effect, the No side is running a voter suppression campaign.

It seems to be working, with support for the Yes case sliding in the polls and the percentage of undecided and No voters going up. It’s true that such a slide is to be expected, that Yes is still ahead and that the bulk of Yes votes will be posted back in the next few days.

It’s Time To Shift Gears
But for marriage equality to get over the line the Yes campaign will need as many of the complacent, reluctant and doubtful Yes voters as possible to return their votes over the coming weeks.

Up until now, the Yes campaign message of love, commitment, fairness and equality has been perfect for reaching and mobilising strong supporters of marriage equality. That message needs to continue.

But we are worried that the upbeat message we’re seen so far won’t be compelling enough to overcome doubt and ensure an emphatic Yes vote.

These upbeat messages worked in Ireland because the opposition to marriage equality came chiefly from Catholic bishops whose moral authority was already compromised by a series of child abuse scandals. In Australia, the No campaign is much tougher and better resourced than it was in Ireland. It has learnt from Trump and Brexit how to generate and manipulate fear.

That’s why we are proposing the Yes campaign pivot towards countering the No side’s negative campaign.

It’s vital the public sees Christian clergy making the case that marriage equality will enhance religious freedom, not diminish it.

It’s vital principals and teachers have the chance to explain publicly that the priority for schools is dealing with the prejudice faced by LGBTI students, not “radical sex education”, and that what the Marriage Act doesn’t affect this.

Same-sex couples raising children should have a platform so they can explain that the choice before Australia right now is not whether children have a mother and a father, but whether their children can have married parents. We should explain to Australians that No case talking points were run in every other country, and that they weren’t given credence there and they shouldn’t be given credence here.

We know some people will respond by saying “don’t give the other side more air time”.

But they already have five times as much air time as us and their arguments have now been given even more coverage thanks to the contemptible attack against Tony Abbott.

The arguments are out there and we need to address them or risk looking like we are trying to hide something.

We know some people will say “don’t chase every nonsense argument down a rabbit hole”. That’s true, but some No case talking points are more compelling than others and demand a reasoned response.

We believe that, as a general rule, it is always better to challenge prejudice than sidestep it. Our combined experience has taught us that the long-term benefits of tackling prejudice always outweigh the short term difficulties. But in this case tackling prejudice is absolutely critical in the short term as well.

A Successful “No” Vote Would Be A Disaster
A second critical element to responding to the No campaign’s arguments is for the Yes campaign to remind Australians just how bad a No vote will be.

We want Australia to hear from the elderly partners who will not be able to marry before they die, from the children of same-sex couples who will face more discrimination, and from the young LGBTIQ+ people who will be demoralised if their country rejects them.

We want people in the middle to hear that there will be consequences to voting No — big ones, and bad ones. We’re not talking about apocalyptic messages that have the potential to increase the anxiety felt by LGBTIQ+ people and their families.

We’re talking about giving a voice to the large number of LGBTIQ+ people who are already anxious of what a No vote will mean, so they can honestly and openly express their concerns to their fellow Australians.

To restate: our proposals do not mean an end to upbeat messages about why marriage equality is important. We want to see the development of new and more effective ways to cancel out the No side’s negative campaigning

And here are some memes from the Equal Marriage Rights Australia page on Facebook.


 
'We accepted you. You're bringing our f***ing country down': Gay marriage supporter rants at immigrant 'No' voters - but insists he's not racist 'because he has Aboriginal family'

The young man with stubble and a black earring was videoed shouting at a man and a woman as they handed out 'It's OK to vote No' pamphlets at Chatswood on Sydney's North Shore.

'I respect equal rights. People like you in this country are what are bringing this f***ing country down,' he says.

'You've come here. We've accepted you into this country.'

'I'm Australian, both my parents are Australian,' he said.

'I've got Aboriginal family. I'm not being racist at all,' he said.

'You're being a f***ing d***head by voting 'No'.'

'F*** you, f*** you. Respect people's rights"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-supporter-racially-abuse-No-campaigners.html
 
Well California is the biggest stronghold for liberals in the US and even they voted down gay marriage (it was later enacted by the state court or something)
I can only imagine that Australia will be the same.

This isn't a "vote" in any meaningful sense of the word. It is literally a voluntary survey. If more people tick the "yes" box than the "no" box on the survey, all that is going to happen is that a private member's bill to legalise gay marriage (or, more correctly, to remove the clause which was inserted into the Marriage Act in 2004 to ban gay marriage) will be introduced to Parliament and a conscience vote will be allowed. If more people tick the "no" box than the "yes" box, then the issue is dead for the duration of the current Parliament and it will become a major issue in the next federal election.

Marriage is specifically the domain of the federal government here so the states cannot make their own laws regarding marriage.

And yes, it's quite the dilemma for "progressives" because some of the ethnic groups they've championed are extremely opposed to gay marriage and have been campaigning for a no vote.

I don't think there's much risk that people will spite vote in either direction, but I do think that after years of being told "it's not my job to educate you" and "you're not a good enough ally" by SJWs, there's a non-trivial amount of people who would otherwise have voted yes who just won't return the survey.
 
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'We accepted you. You're bringing our f***ing country down': Gay marriage supporter rants at immigrant 'No' voters - but insists he's not racist 'because he has Aboriginal family'

The young man with stubble and a black earring was videoed shouting at a man and a woman as they handed out 'It's OK to vote No' pamphlets at Chatswood on Sydney's North Shore.

'I respect equal rights. People like you in this country are what are bringing this f***ing country down,' he says.

'You've come here. We've accepted you into this country.'

'I'm Australian, both my parents are Australian,' he said.

'I've got Aboriginal family. I'm not being racist at all,' he said.

'You're being a f***ing d***head by voting 'No'.'

'F*** you, f*** you. Respect people's rights"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-supporter-racially-abuse-No-campaigners.html

This is it. When you no longer serve their cause, then you're thrown into the basket of hate.
Typical though. What's that, some Cotton On cultural appropriation Asian teeshirt and screeching at people in Chatswood, home of the Christian Gook population? Beautiful.

Tony Abbott can't be so bad either. His daughter is supporting the Yes campaign and he hasn't had her "literally murdered" yet.
People keep forgetting this is a survey and not ride or die.
 
People keep forgetting this is a survey and not ride or die.

tbf it's a much longer campaign period than is usual for actual elections. The vast majority of people who had strong opinions one way or the other have almost certainly returned their survey by now, but we've got another 6 weeks of this bullshit to go. I doubt many fence-sitters are going to be persuaded one way or the other, so it's just annoying now no matter which side it making their pitch.
 
ABC:
How cognitive ability shapes attitudes on equal rights for same-sex couples

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/same-sex-marriage-cognitive-ability-link-hilda-survey/8984744

'Specifically, there is a strong and statistically significant association between higher cognitive ability and a greater likelihood to support equal rights between same- and different-sex couples.

This may shed some light on why those who stand against equal rights may not be persuaded by evidence-based arguments in the ongoing same-sex marriage debate.

These tests evaluated the degree to which participants were able to:
  • Recall and recite backwards progressively longer strings of numbers.
  • Correctly pronounce 50 irregularly spelled words.
  • Match symbols and numbers based on a printed key against time.
These tests are not perfect. They may contain some measurement error, may be culturally biased, and may not constitute a complete measure of cognitive ability.'
 
ABC:
How cognitive ability shapes attitudes on equal rights for same-sex couples

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/same-sex-marriage-cognitive-ability-link-hilda-survey/8984744

'Specifically, there is a strong and statistically significant association between higher cognitive ability and a greater likelihood to support equal rights between same- and different-sex couples.

This may shed some light on why those who stand against equal rights may not be persuaded by evidence-based arguments in the ongoing same-sex marriage debate.

These tests evaluated the degree to which participants were able to:



    • Recall and recite backwards progressively longer strings of numbers.
    • Correctly pronounce 50 irregularly spelled words.
    • Match symbols and numbers based on a printed key against time.
These tests are not perfect. They may contain some measurement error, may be culturally biased, and may not constitute a complete measure of cognitive ability.'

So, in other words, support gay marriage or people might think you're stupid.

Also, the emperor's garment is beautiful, isn't it? Only fools cannot see it. Surely you see it, yes?
 
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