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Tanti-Fanti
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I'm convinced some artists just become inhuman when rule 34 is involved. The rate some people put that shit out is almost god-like when the moment a new character is revealed.
Some other bad advice I don't think I've seen tackled a lot here yet is "You should work at Disney/Disney is the only way to get a job in art/animation"
I remember my parents trying to get me into art (they didn't know any better like most parents of artistic kids. Many people really don't) and I was introduced to so many artists/art teachers who thought that Disney was the only way to go. I think so many people forget that other studios exists and that even smaller production teams still need artists for work.
Too many people bank their success on one major company (which to be fair, makes sense to a general audience, you work for the most successful company you can find) and I think it leads people to be discouraged from even attempting art unless you feel your the best of the best. And if you're a hobbyist or likes other types of art, you don't have to be. You just need to make work that's profitable enough to make a living. It can harder doing it alone, but it's possible. It also has the issue of a lot of Disney artists having samey work. And yes, you want to hire people who can emulate that style, but it just leads to an increasing amount of art incest (yes, that's a thing) in which everything just blends into one another. It's the same thing like all the artists who draw pretty girls on Instagram to get 1k likes every drawing. It just oversaturates the market on a professional level.
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There's also studios to work with that don't immediately lay claim to everything you draw on and off the clock as theirs..... Disney is not only a lofty and unrealistic goal for most artists, it's also pretty shitty when it comes to draconian measures that don't give you much rights to your own work.
There's also studios to work with that don't immediately lay claim to everything you draw on and off the clock as theirs..... Disney is not only a lofty and unrealistic goal for most artists, it's also pretty shitty when it comes to draconian measures that don't give you much rights to your own work.
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Beginners trying to get commissions is just a bad idea all around, for artist and consumer.
IMO it takes the focus away from creating something that the artist itself is proud of and destroys passion and motivation through disappointment and drawing shit you don't want to draw.
Especially nowadays, people have crap taste and will ask for the ugliest shit.
Ugh yes.
I bought a lovely UGEE 2150 tablet for like $400. It's a great screen tablet but I have a short torso I have to adjust my chair all the time and it gives me back problems.
I like that I can see where I'm drawing, but an iPad is a much better option (for me personally) since I don't have the desk stabbing my fupa while I attempt to draw.
Screen tablets that sit on a desk are veeeerry different from drawing in a sketchbook.
Thankfully it functions as a decent monitor as well.
not really bad advice, but a bad habit I've seen in tutorials is people relying too heavily on layer effects like overlay/brightness/contrast.
sure, it works, but you never really learn how to do it manually & don't really improve your own understanding of color and creating good palettes.
definitely not saying it's a bad tool, it's a great tool, but for someone trying to improve, i think it can be a crutch, esp for beginners.
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Rule 34 art is fast exposure from an easy drug hit. The inverse problem is that artists are less likely to draw non-porn or fan art because it's harder to get noticed through innovation.
Now we have a problem of "rule 34 identity" becomes the safe norm.
Now we have a problem of "rule 34 identity" becomes the safe norm.
Tanti-Fanti
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I guess it is a rush to a certain extent, but I feel the same thing happens to anyone who banks off a certain fandom. Whether it be r34, Furry, Fetishes, Fan Art, OC art. people generally like consistency. And for a good reason. I don't want to follow someone who does cute art and then suddenly see horror in my dash. People like certain aesthetics that to fit their tastes. If you draw anime and suddenly want to do semi-realistic portraits, that's good for you, but not good for the previous fanbase you banked off of because let's be honest, while some might be interested, some just aren't going to like that. It's not an entirely new conundrum to be fair, but understandable.
That's why you also shouldn't draw for fame. We see it with lolcows like Dobson who clearly don't enjoy what they create (and if they ever enjoyed it to begin with). It's easy to get trapped because many artists know it's not worth the effort deviating. And thus, a cycle of samey-art continues on platforms such as Instagram. No one deviates because they're afraid of losing what following they have, even if they don't enjoy it anymore. It's much better to create work you like and not what's just popular. At least then you can be somewhat confident that people are following you for your work and not for what ship or r34 you're drawing next.
YES. Tutorials on using the multiply layer are one thing. Telling people to put an overlay layer on their still-developing work is a recipe for disaster. I've seen artists with simple styles that work well with their bold lines and colors kill a lot of the nice contrast with these types of choices. (Christ. It reminds me of when I first got SAI and just added a bunch of luminosity layers and shit because I could and saw other people doing it) Overlays are simply tools to help you. You shouldn't go too crazy on them anyways considering there's only so much you can add before it becomes too much. You should attempt to learn some of it at least manually OR adjust your colors/tones before getting crazy with it. I've also noticed a lot of beginners go crazy with brown/warm overlays when I don't think it fits.
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This is kind of off-topic from the thread as it relates to a particular past incident. Though I think the general message still stands:
A little bit of humility goes a long way.
It's one thing to roast other artists, give some really blunt critiques, or simply poke fun of some artwork. It's a whole different story though to completely degrade a person for their art and act all mightier-than-thou about it.
A little bit of humility goes a long way.
It's one thing to roast other artists, give some really blunt critiques, or simply poke fun of some artwork. It's a whole different story though to completely degrade a person for their art and act all mightier-than-thou about it.
Tanti-Fanti
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OOoohh I remember this shitstorm. I'll try my best to fill people in with some interesting facts, but essentially this was huge for a short time (like all things on social media).
1. Surprisingly in THIS particular clip, while the GF is being cringy egging him on. From what others have mentioned this is NOT the first time he's done this. It's just that nobody clipped it or cared to clip it to share it at the time. Former friends came out to say that they were shocked to be ridiculed on stream meaning who knows how long he got away with this shit but no one was popular enough or cared to say anything. 
Guy deserves it for being stupid enough to share his shitty views on a (former) 9k streaming platform in which ANYONE can clip things easily.
2. The girl they made fun of (Dreaming Neko if she still kept her OG name) was a beginner. She started the year prior (and for what she has, it's not bad for a beginner at all and she's improved since then too). Meaning not only did they make fun of someone who just started getting into art, they were so insecure they had to attack her for something NOT RELATED TO HER. The fact they had to make fun of her emotes to degrade her is exceptional.
3. The apology is an underrated shitshow. Not only did the guy fully blame it on the GF he was simping for (despite totally letting her run her mouth instead of telling her to shut up) he broke up with her, gave a "I'm sorry for what I did" speech and then basically loss 5k followers. The guy was almost at 10k and he loss 5k followers while Neko got 20k in just a few hours. All that work for nothing. All that effort and for what? To deal with some beginner artist who isn't even a threat to you? Who you know wouldn't be able to defend herself? Absolute ass.
Guy deserves it for being stupid enough to share his shitty views on a (former) 9k streaming platform in which ANYONE can clip things easily.2. The girl they made fun of (Dreaming Neko if she still kept her OG name) was a beginner. She started the year prior (and for what she has, it's not bad for a beginner at all and she's improved since then too). Meaning not only did they make fun of someone who just started getting into art, they were so insecure they had to attack her for something NOT RELATED TO HER. The fact they had to make fun of her emotes to degrade her is exceptional.
3. The apology is an underrated shitshow. Not only did the guy fully blame it on the GF he was simping for (despite totally letting her run her mouth instead of telling her to shut up) he broke up with her, gave a "I'm sorry for what I did" speech and then basically loss 5k followers. The guy was almost at 10k and he loss 5k followers while Neko got 20k in just a few hours. All that work for nothing. All that effort and for what? To deal with some beginner artist who isn't even a threat to you? Who you know wouldn't be able to defend herself? Absolute ass.
The sad fact is the art world is over-saturated. Anyone can learn to draw. Meaning that a lot of these pretentious assholes have to drag people down to get even a shred of notoriety.
To get somewhat back on topic, I've discovered that some small group of artists are anti-tutorial. Meaning they hate all tutorials in general, which is nuts. Like, I get not liking some (e.g. tutorials that don't explain anything and just show pictures that don't mean much) but I'm talking about people hating tutorials OUTRIGHT because they have the be the most "original". Worst advice I've ever seen.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they are kind of people that have an mental breakdown at the thought that someone said their art reminds me of this. Also I don't get the mentality anyways because all art is inspired by something even if it's subconsciously and not to mention just because something is original doesn't mean it good you can make the most unique character ever but if its shit people won't care.OOoohh I remember this shitstorm. I'll try my best to fill people in with some interesting facts, but essentially this was huge for a short time (like all things on social media).
1. Surprisingly in THIS particular clip, while the GF is being cringy egging him on. From what others have mentioned this is NOT the first time he's done this. It's just that nobody clipped it or cared to clip it to share it at the time. Former friends came out to say that they were shocked to be ridiculed on stream meaning who knows how long he got away with this shit but no one was popular enough or cared to say anything.
2. The girl they made fun of (Dreaming Neko if she still kept her OG name) was a beginner. She started the year prior (and for what she has, it's not bad for a beginner at all and she's improved since then too). Meaning not only did they make fun of someone who just started getting into art, they were so insecure they had to attack her for something NOT RELATED TO HER. The fact they had to make fun of her emotes to degrade her is exceptional.
3. The apology is an underrated shitshow. Not only did the guy fully blame it on the GF he was simping for (despite totally letting her run her mouth instead of telling her to shut up) he broke up with her, gave a "I'm sorry for what I did" speech and then basically loss 5k followers. The guy was almost at 10k and he loss 5k followers while Neko got 20k in just a few hours. All that work for nothing. All that effort and for what? To deal with some beginner artist who isn't even a threat to you? Who you know wouldn't be able to defend herself? Absolute ass.
The sad fact is the art world is over-saturated. Anyone can learn to draw. Meaning that a lot of these pretentious assholes have to drag people down to get even a shred of notoriety.
To get somewhat back on topic, I've discovered that some small group of artists are anti-tutorial. Meaning they hate all tutorials in general, which is nuts. Like, I get not liking some (e.g. tutorials that don't explain anything and just show pictures that don't mean much) but I'm talking about people hating tutorials OUTRIGHT because they have the be the most "original". Worst advice I've ever seen.
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OOoohh I remember this shitstorm. I'll try my best to fill people in with some interesting facts, but essentially this was huge for a short time (like all things on social media).
1. Surprisingly in THIS particular clip, while the GF is being cringy egging him on. From what others have mentioned this is NOT the first time he's done this. It's just that nobody clipped it or cared to clip it to share it at the time. Former friends came out to say that they were shocked to be ridiculed on stream meaning who knows how long he got away with this shit but no one was popular enough or cared to say anything.
2. The girl they made fun of (Dreaming Neko if she still kept her OG name) was a beginner. She started the year prior (and for what she has, it's not bad for a beginner at all and she's improved since then too). Meaning not only did they make fun of someone who just started getting into art, they were so insecure they had to attack her for something NOT RELATED TO HER. The fact they had to make fun of her emotes to degrade her is exceptional.
3. The apology is an underrated shitshow. Not only did the guy fully blame it on the GF he was simping for (despite totally letting her run her mouth instead of telling her to shut up) he broke up with her, gave a "I'm sorry for what I did" speech and then basically loss 5k followers. The guy was almost at 10k and he loss 5k followers while Neko got 20k in just a few hours. All that work for nothing. All that effort and for what? To deal with some beginner artist who isn't even a threat to you? Who you know wouldn't be able to defend herself? Absolute ass.
The sad fact is the art world is over-saturated. Anyone can learn to draw. Meaning that a lot of these pretentious assholes have to drag people down to get even a shred of notoriety.
To get somewhat back on topic, I've discovered that some small group of artists are anti-tutorial. Meaning they hate all tutorials in general, which is nuts. Like, I get not liking some (e.g. tutorials that don't explain anything and just show pictures that don't mean much) but I'm talking about people hating tutorials OUTRIGHT because they have the be the most "original". Worst advice I've ever seen.
I just noticed some irony to all this:
1. It's actually almost an exact year since this whole shitshow went down. There happened to even be a Newsweek article written about it at the time.
2. He currently describes himself as a teacher in his Twitter bio.
Yeesh.
Getting back on topic with the thread, I find it frustrating when somebody gives feedback, yet they don't provide any visual examples to go off of. That's not to say it's always expected, though it helps to have a reference when talking about something that's very specific.
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A bit late to this, but I think this bad advice applies to art schools too. I remember being told that the only success as an artist is to get into Cal arts and then get picked up by Disney. Apparently even SCAD wasn't good enough.
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"If you screw up, just pass it off as a style"
I really hate this mentality that rewards half-ass efforts.
I really hate this mentality that rewards half-ass efforts.
Observotron
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This fucked me over so hard when I was a young and dumb. I half suspect that the term was coined by some artist gatekeeper.
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Never draw from imagination
This is true when it comes to art sessions like figure study, but an artist should not solely rely on reference every time they draw. The imagination is a muscle that constantly needs to be flexed if you want to be an independent artist. The imagination also relies on memory and you need to train your brain to memorize things like anatomy.
Your art would be so good if you just drew in this style...
This one is pretty simple in terms of, well, I can draw whatever the fuck I want however I want. If something comes off as too cartoony or realistic for you, it doesn't matter because maybe that's exactly how I wanted the art to come off? That and if someone doesn't pay me to draw a certain something, they got no right to tell me make art the way they want it to look.
There is no such thing as originality.
Did Frank Frazetta become famous because he drew like everybody else? Name your most favorite famous artist, because if artists never had anything to set them apart from everyone else, then you shouldn't have a favorite at all. I think lazy fucks use this excuse to pass off copying art styles as real and acceptable art. It's acceptable for practice but that's it.
There's a lot of other shit that I've heard but I don't feel like wasting my brain cells to try and remember them all.
This is true when it comes to art sessions like figure study, but an artist should not solely rely on reference every time they draw. The imagination is a muscle that constantly needs to be flexed if you want to be an independent artist. The imagination also relies on memory and you need to train your brain to memorize things like anatomy.
Your art would be so good if you just drew in this style...
This one is pretty simple in terms of, well, I can draw whatever the fuck I want however I want. If something comes off as too cartoony or realistic for you, it doesn't matter because maybe that's exactly how I wanted the art to come off? That and if someone doesn't pay me to draw a certain something, they got no right to tell me make art the way they want it to look.
There is no such thing as originality.
Did Frank Frazetta become famous because he drew like everybody else? Name your most favorite famous artist, because if artists never had anything to set them apart from everyone else, then you shouldn't have a favorite at all. I think lazy fucks use this excuse to pass off copying art styles as real and acceptable art. It's acceptable for practice but that's it.
There's a lot of other shit that I've heard but I don't feel like wasting my brain cells to try and remember them all.
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Obviously, you can draw from your imagination if you're doing non-representative art, if you're working in a style that doesn't demand realism, or if you've drawn so much from observation already that you "know" what the thing you're trying to draw looks like. I've never heard anyone say "never draw from imagination" except in the context of giving instruction to art students - and in that context, it's actually good advice, since the point of being an art student (leaving aside cynicism for a minute) is to get good, quickly.
It doesn't mean LITERALLY never; it just means "you're not as good as you think you are, so don't draw from imagination while you're taking this class."
They have every right to tell you your art is shit. You're under no obligation to listen and do better, and it's even possible that their opinions are shit and your art is fine - but an audience pointing out flaws and potential improvements is all part of what happens when you put your art out there for an audience to see. It's called "critique".
This is a straw man. Nobody - or at least, nobody I've ever encountered - has said that "there is no such thing as originality" and meant "artists all draw like everybody else". Obviously, not every artist is going to bring the exact same set of styles, influences, and perspectives to their art.
Rather, what people mean is something closer to "nobody paints in a vacuum", or "great artists stand on the shoulders of giants". Frazetta had his own distinct style, yes. He's one of the few popular artists of the 20th century whose style of illustration really set him apart. But he was not "original". Frazetta didn't invent the Sword & Sorcery genre. He didn't invent neo-gothic monster imagery, gay muscle bodybuilders, or the theme of triumphant, aspirational masculinity. He combined fin de siècle Romanticism with early 20th century sci-fi/fantasy shlock; both things which already existed, and cannot truly be said to be "original".
If you're hanging around furry artists who say "there is no such thing as originality" in order to excuse tracing, then you should really find new art friends, because that's definitely an outlier viewpoint. Furthermore, the fact that your friends are misusing a (perfectly valid and sound) observation about art, doesn't mean that observation is "bad advice" - it just means your friends are dumb and missed the point.
Thinking doesn't actually "waste brain cells", so I wouldn't worry too much. Please, go ahead, remember some more.
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im going to bump this thread because heck u
also never draw from reference. you should never know what your subject should look like and should instead draw from your imagination because its always reliable
also never draw from reference. you should never know what your subject should look like and should instead draw from your imagination because its always reliable
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Painting from life and from imagination should complement each other
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my favorite (see: least favorite) thing is art tutorials that are telling you to 'do something this way and not that' but both ways can work on different situations