Barbie - A More Successful Movie than You'd Think

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Is society truly so divided that people can literally look at the same character and see night and day? Not only that, but stuff that are meant to be earnest insults don't even register as such and are instead viewed as unironic compliments.

I dunno, is, say people who support the orthodoxy, the system, sees someone like Harry Potter as the hero. Because he wants to join the ministry of magic, despite the fact it's revealed to be entirely corrupt throughout the books.

While the people who don't support the orthodoxy, the system, see someone like the Joker as the hero. Because he see's the entire system/society as corrupt, and that it should be destroyed or at least destabilized.

Just thinking out loud.
 
Someone believing in something and acting on it is the essence of heroism. You can't twist it into something people won't admire.
This. Even if people don't want to admit it, they deep down have respect for people with convictions and that are willing to work for them. That Rorschach was seen as the most heroic is no surprise once you think about it more, he's the only one willing to stop evil from getting away with it and the one that understood that you don't just send child rapists to jail, you fucking end them then and there. Those two things tap into enough people because they fully fucking agree, they just aren't allowed to say it out loud, so when the mean caricature says it, you can only think "but he is right". His whole "never compromise" attitude also echoes more and more with what compromise and taking the high road has enabled.

I dunno, is, say people who support the orthodoxy, the system, sees someone like Harry Potter as the hero. Because he wants to join the ministry of magic, despite the fact it's revealed to be entirely corrupt throughout the books.

While the people who don't support the orthodoxy, the system, see someone like the Joker as the hero. Because he see's the entire system/society as corrupt, and that it should be destroyed or at least destabilized.

Just thinking out loud.
Potter is a bit of a funnier case since during most of the books he is basically constantly hounded by feds and has to join rebellious cabals constantly yet at the end of the series he goes "I shall be the fed now!" like if the feds would suddenly stop behaving as such with Voldermoooort out of the picture.
 
Patrick Bateman
The amount of people who don't seem to understand that Bateman's character is a forgettable loser and doofus astounds me. Like in a post internet world I understand the meme potential of the movie but I also seriously doubt most people actually watched it... Or read the book.
 
The amount of people who don't seem to understand that Bateman's character is a forgettable loser and doofus astounds me. Like in a post internet world I understand the meme potential of the movie but I also seriously doubt most people actually watched it... Or read the book.
Post 2016 internet is flooded with retards who unironically base their personalities off of memes. the idea that patrick bateman can be "literally you" is funny because patrick bateman is a weird loser that thinks hes hot shit even though hes a exactly like everyone else around him and has no unique characteristics, which is why he is frequently confused with others. but after the drumpf era forced reddit and other mainstream social media platforms into typical commie censorships, all the boomers, losers and unironic incels were forced to migrate to 4chan, mostly /pol/ and /tv/, and these people being who they are completely lost the narrative that Patrick Bateman is supposed to be an ironic joke born out of exaggeration of self image and started to believe that yes indeed, they ARE literally sigmas grindcels and will own the libs with a tiktok hyperborea compilation.
 
Common Barbie let's go party!
ooh ooh ooh yeah
Common Barbie let's go party!
oh-uh! uh-oh!

lol you paid money to see this movie
I save this one just for you
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The amount of people who don't seem to understand that Bateman's character is a forgettable loser and doofus astounds me. Like in a post internet world I understand the meme potential of the movie but I also seriously doubt most people actually watched it... Or read the book.
I've watched it, I can see the appeal. Patrick feels like the world has no meaning and is completely numbed to everyday life. He pretends to be nice to his vapid coworkers but in reality hates them, its similar to fight club. I think that's what most people resonate with.

The idea that's he's a forgetable nobody is the part that makes people go "literally me" if he actually was a famous "somebody" there would be no appeal.

What makes him extra likable is that he actually does something about it (as fucked up as it may be), and his ending monologue about feeling lost and seeking meaning no matter what that meaning may be is what makes most people sympathize.
 
If Ken unintentionally ends up being a likeable, sympathetic character, and the movie fails at being the stock woke film that we're used to hearing of, does that mean that it has some merit and is worth seeing, especially if one streams it later on? This thread has definitely led me to being more interested in what it ended up being, regardless of the retard director's intentions.
 
The amount of people who don't seem to understand that Bateman's character is a forgettable loser and doofus astounds me. Like in a post internet world I understand the meme potential of the movie but I also seriously doubt most people actually watched it... Or read the book.
What about Tyler Durden, William Foster, Walter White or Tony Soprano?
 
What about Tyler Durden, William Foster, Walter White or Tony Soprano?
At least for Walter White the relatability comes from being stuck in a shitty boring life after making all the wrong choices, and then taking complete control over it, flaws and all. He died only because he compromised once; like every character in that show, compromising means death.

Also Bateman is a rich guy who gets away with murder, lifts, is handsome, etc. Sure, he's a loser because his life is vapid and meaningless, but for some people that's the good life.
 
At least for Walter White the relatability comes from being stuck in a shitty boring life after making all the wrong choices, and then taking complete control over it, flaws and all. He died only because he compromised once; like every character in that show, compromising means death.

Also Bateman is a rich guy who gets away with murder, lifts, is handsome, etc. Sure, he's a loser because his life is vapid and meaningless, but for some people that's the good life.
But you still haven't addressed Tyler Durden, William Foster and Tony Soprano
 
Tyler Durden is that one kid from school who would look at the nerds and invite them over for beers and smokes. Everybody respects people like him.
William Foster is the plain but intelligent everyman who did everything right as society told him, and still got screwed and thrown away. You find that sentiment everywhere in anyone who got laid off in 2008.
Tony soprano is the ambitious working class dad who breaks and fixes shit. By himself he might not be relatable but everyone rich had someone like him who was their father or grandfather.
 
Someone should do a serious dissertation/analysis on the effect of literally me/unintended reverse propaganda because its all incredibly fascinating.

Ranging from individual characters like Joker, Rorschach, Patrick Bateman, The taxi driver from taxi driver and the driver from drive, entire properties with bioshock, fight club, starship troopers, or in some cases even literal propaganda.

Liberty Prime was meant to be a parody but people earnestly cheer him on. Same for keep your rifle by your side (and ofc starship troopers).

Is society truly so divided that people can literally look at the same character and see night and day? Not only that, but stuff that are meant to be earnest insults don't even register as such and are instead viewed as unironic compliments.
I think it’s more that people subconsciously do love a hero with some manner of virtue.

People who aren’t cynical and genuine in their pursuit of things are refreshing. One of my favorite horror movies is the exorcist because everyone is trying to save a little girl from either mental, physical, or spiritual sickness that they perceive. Everyone acts as someone in their role should.
There’s very little cynicism. The struggles of the characters are genuine.

Starship Troopers fails because the Fascist society is fighting against an existential threat.

Rorshach is the best example because he continues working despite society disapproving of him and being laughed at by colleagues. His methods work despite Moore trying to paint him as crazy and his moment of hypocrisy is being willing to die for the whores and the gutter trash.
 
But you still haven't addressed Tyler Durden, William Foster and Tony Soprano
Tony's struggle with depression and having a shitty mom are very relatable. He's also, at least until the later seasons, mostly reasonable and likeable. He's also a powerful mob boss.
 
Tony's struggle with depression and having a shitty mom are very relatable. He's also, at least until the later seasons, mostly reasonable and likeable. He's also a powerful mob boss.
You're late. Shad explained it better
Tyler Durden is that one kid from school who would look at the nerds and invite them over for beers and smokes. Everybody respects people like him.
William Foster is the plain but intelligent everyman who did everything right as society told him, and still got screwed and thrown away. You find that sentiment everywhere in anyone who got laid off in 2008.
Tony soprano is the ambitious working class dad who breaks and fixes shit. By himself he might not be relatable but everyone rich had someone like him who was their father or grandfather.
 
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