Battletech - Also known as Trannytech

[Atypical Dog]

Which one? Ben Rome? He did the Wars of Reaving stuff off the top of my head.

I think he meant Herbert Beas II. Watched the video but don't know the developer lore.

I guess CGL has now just released this as a PDF on their Facebook page if you want to see it for yourself. I grabbed a copy and while some of the art is neat the rest is pure 40K Grimderp dumbed down for kiddies.

Probably trying to get ahead of the leaks but like always they are way to late. Folks in the hobby are already tearing it apart but don't mention it on Reddit in any unflattering way or your account will be banned, just a FYI

They could have just put out rules and references for the SuccWars and they'd probably do a lot better. In fact, I could see this as some kind of SuccWars alt-history fiction movie.

Battletech already has options for alternate universes anyway. Kerensky vs. the Great Houses for one could be awesome - like a funhouse mirror Clan Invasion.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

BTech Aces is yet another stupid ass idea from a company chocked full of stupid ass troons who just can't or won't bother to understand their community.

Yes what we wargamers are clamoring for is a single player version of a wargame. Just because all these troons and tranny's at CGL have no real life friends they can only think that it's the same for everyone else.

No you faggots if I want to play alone I will just play on my PC. I'm not going to lay out a board and move little plastic mechs around by myself that's just pathetic. Wargaming is a social activity and the very fact CGL is spending so much time making a solo version of BTech just reinforces how they dont understand the IP

FFS

 

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BTech Aces is yet another stupid ass idea from a company chocked full of stupid ass troons who just can't or won't bother to understand their community.

Yes what we wargamers are clamoring for is a single player version of a wargame. Just because all these troons and tranny's at CGL have no real life friends they can only think that it's the same for everyone else.

No you faggots if I want to play alone I will just play on my PC. I'm not going to lay out a board and move little plastic mechs around by myself that's just pathetic. Wargaming is a social activity and the very fact CGL is spending so much time making a solo version of BTech just reinforces how they dont understand the IP

FFS

And oddly enough, this happens at the same time that GW is making solo rules for Kill Team, their mini skirmish 40k imprint. Trannies constantly pushing for it in both companies, or maybe they did the market research and think this might be a good excuse for certain foreveralones to buy plastic crack?

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

And oddly enough, this happens at the same time that GW is making solo rules for Kill Team, their mini skirmish 40k imprint. Trannies constantly pushing for it in both companies, or maybe they did the market research and think this might be a good excuse for certain foreveralones to buy plastic crack?

a better call is that the troons and tranny's that have infiltrated the hobby hate it and it's customer base and they want to kill it off and laugh at the chuds tears while getting paid to do so.

We all know how much the wokies hate the chuds that make up both games player base and if a company or two has to die to make sure they ruin what the chuds enjoy then so be it.

I just can't see all these terrible decisions being made that can only bring harm to the IP all being just simple mistakes or bad calls.

Once is happenstance
Twice is coincidence
Three times is enemy action.

 

[William Murderface]

I think he meant Herbert Beas II. Watched the video but don't know the developer lore.

That's worse.

 

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a better call is that the troons and tranny's that have infiltrated the hobby hate it and it's customer base and they want to kill it off and laugh at the chuds tears while getting paid to do so.

We all know how much the wokies hate the chuds that make up both games player base and if a company or two has to die to make sure they ruin what the chuds enjoy then so be it.

I just can't see all these terrible decisions being made that can only bring harm to the IP all being just simple mistakes or bad calls.

Once is happenstance
Twice is coincidence
Three times is enemy action.

The Female Custodes thing in 40k had an absolute swarm of trannies and leftists coming out of the woodwork to go smugpost about how awesome it was that the right kind of people hated the change. Not that the change was good, not that it made sense, not that they liked it -- just that "the other tribe" hated it. (For context, the equivalent with Battletech would be something like imagine if one day they decided to add Kaiju / biological mechs and just started telling everyone that Battletech has always had kaiju and if you didn't like the change you have a personal moral failing and should be banned from the hobby to protect tourists' feelings.)



Just in case you ever, ever, EVER feel any sympathy for these mentally ill, terminally online freaks. Total Tranny Death. Total Leftist Death. Ban Females from Using Computers.

Edit: And yes, these freaks have been working 24x7 for a decade or more trying to worm their way into these companies, usually via social media or community management positions, which have a negative skill floor. Once they're in, they can wormtounge their way to the rest of the company into self destructing like some human Toxoplasma gondii infection.

 

[Snekposter]

Is your Atlas a Stiener scout or a local Argentinean?

Apparently that's a FWL Atlas, not a Lyran one, hence why it wants to Remove Pretzel.

After all, everyone knows the only people less capable of waging war than all those Social Generals are the Civil Wars League.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

The Female Custodes thing in 40k had an absolute swarm of trannies and leftists coming out of the woodwork to go smugpost about how awesome it was that the right kind of people hated the change. Not that the change was good, not that it made sense, not that they liked it -- just that "the other tribe" hated it. (For context, the equivalent with Battletech would be something like imagine if one day they decided to add Kaiju / biological mechs and just started telling everyone that Battletech has always had kaiju and if you didn't like the change you have a personal moral failing and should be banned from the hobby to protect tourists' feelings.)

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Just in case you ever, ever, EVER feel any sympathy for these mentally ill, terminally online freaks. Total Tranny Death. Total Leftist Death. Ban Females from Using Computers.

Edit: And yes, these freaks have been working 24x7 for a decade or more trying to worm their way into these companies, usually via social media or community management positions, which have a negative skill floor. Once they're in, they can wormtounge their way to the rest of the company into self destructing like some human Toxoplasma gondii infection.

They're doing this shit to a IP older than they are and with a backlog of products that can be purchased from Ebay or from Facebook Marketplace. Point is Catalyst will die faster than any fan of Battletech deciding to abandon it for Land & Sea or that Gundam wargame. What these nigger cattle don't understand is that Catalyst will die, their shitty little projects will never reach mainstream, and GW rules with a iron fist in the wargaming hobby. They may delude themselves into thinking that they could replace GW, delude themselves into thinking they could get away with putting bullshit first before the official thing, and delude themselves into becoming women but they can't ignore reality they'll never replace GW, they'll still be behind on their orders, and most importantly of all they'll never be women.

 

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They're doing this shit to a IP older than they are and with a backlog of products that can be purchased from Ebay or from Facebook Marketplace. Point is Catalyst will die faster than any fan of Battletech deciding to abandon it for Land & Sea or that Gundam wargame. What these nigger cattle don't understand is that Catalyst will die, their shitty little projects will never reach mainstream, and GW rules with a iron fist in the wargaming hobby. They may delude themselves into thinking that they could replace GW, delude themselves into thinking they could get away with putting bullshit first before the official thing, and delude themselves into becoming women but they can't ignore reality they'll never replace GW, they'll still be behind on their orders, and most importantly of all they'll never be women.

Well, part of the problem is that this is supposedly uh, GW's fault. Sort of.

See, the reason Battletech trooned out, at least how the rumor goes, is because after showing up in the GW hobby spaces and declaring that they were going to be in in charging of fixing things now like they had fixed vidya and had fixed D&D and GW would have to cater to them and that means FEMALE SPACE MARINES because the hobby was entirely too male and too English (read: white) and not nearly leftist enough... GW just didn't do it. Downright refused to despite a multi-year long campaign of harassment and entryism. GW didn't capitulate at all until the Female Custodes thing, and the rumor that it was rogue employees that made that change and made it politically impossible for GW to backtrack hasn't been disproven yet.

So what happens when you have a bunch of stinky terminally online transsexual marxist activists showing up in a hobby space and NOT immediately taking it over, and in fact are being told to fuck off by the vast majority of the "chud" fans, who refuse to budge at all on the "a simple offering of politics and culture... a token of GW's submission to the will of Troonxes" thing? Supposedly, after gaining absolutely no real traction in the 40k hobby other than taking over all the subreddits, the Sigmarixsm guys... moved to Battletech, which they found much, much easier to infest and subvert.

So it ultimately doesn't surprise me at all that some troon at CGL is pushing a "What if Battletech 40k" type deal. They REALLY want to be fucking up 40k, but GW won't let them.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Never heard of this "Gothic" until I saw this in my recommend.

 

[RSU 1741]

GW won't let them.

Again, bears repeating. GW does not care about your politics. GW does not care about what you think. GW does not care about its own products, in a sense. The only thing GW cares about is selling to you plastic crack and be aggressive about it, they have done quite a lot of missteps but the policy of "fuck the fans pay us money you peon" has been in place... since the early 90ies and it increasingly got worse. GW is not on your side. GW does not care about SJW or CHUDS. GW cares about your wallet.

Btech, being far more American and so easier to subvert, has become quite the funny thing in online spaces. I'm still amused that it has not one but two Reddit-powered fanzines that focus exclusively on "queer narratives". Let's remember that this is a rather complex tabletop wargame focused on 80ies stereotypes killing each other with giant mechas stolen from old anime. Not even the female CGL community manager is a fan of Btech. And it has TWO queer fanzines. Boggles the mind.

And oddly enough, this happens at the same time that GW is making solo rules for Kill Team, their mini skirmish 40k imprint.

Let us give them the benefit of the doubt: for some people finding games is hard. For other people, playing competitively is hard. People do enjoy games where you cooperate or compete without fighting quite a lot (the entire genre of Euro games in tabletop exists for a reason) and there's probably a market for that. Let us remember that some of the first vidya in the early 80ies were essentially engines to let people play solo using real hex&chit, there must be an interest for solo/coop play. Isn't stuff like Kingdom Death (the most anti-SJW game possible) essentially cooperative?

I'm simply iffy about it being for Alpha Strike. Alpha strike is boring and simplified.

 

[William Murderface]

I can live with staff members not being fans of the game. You don't need to be a fan to do your job, whether it is as the layout guy or running a warehouse or making sure the bills are paid. In some ways no being a fan might be an asset because it gives some level of objectivity. But to be openly contemptuous of the fanbase because they don't agree with your personal politics is another thing. The only reason there is any new fanbase to speak of is because of the video game crowd that came in overnight and they can leave just as rapidly and may very well once the next cool new thing comes around. Then what? You've run off the grognards who were there before you were even born and who kept the faith even when all that was on the horizon was ClickyTech, when WK only had permission to publish up to the Jihad, then through the Jihad, and they stayed. They just wanted to have their silly game about big stompy robots and you had to inject personal politics into it and now this "one time thing" into it, especially when promised products still haven't shown up.

I would say BT needs new ownership, or at least Topps giving the license to someone else to run, but at this point I don't know that it can be saved. Coleman and Bills and their cadre of asskissers have been in charge for far too long and now that they have brought back Beas it may be best to just let the line die out entirely. 40 years is a good run for a TTRPG or minis game.

 

[regalterry]

Again, bears repeating. GW does not care about your politics. GW does not care about what you think. GW does not care about its own products, in a sense.

This is a dumb. Some people in charge of GW don't care, maybe, but plenty of their employees do.

You can tell they've been laying the groundwork if you read any of the more recent Black Library books, using the "it's lore accurate" excuse to justify more niggers, more troons, more women, more faggots. Plenty of BL authors are openly woke, and we've already seen pronoun bullshit, trannies, feminism, misandry and all other delightful filth the left likes to peddle be featured in the books.

It's only a matter of time until whoever at GW is holding back the floodgates gives up, quits or retires and the long march through the institutions is once again complete and a Marxist cockroach is in charge, and then 40k will get pozzed more than it already is.

Leftists win because people keep underestimating them and not reacting as loudly and as viciously as they do at any attempt of encroachment by them. Do not pity them, do not try to have a dialogue with them, do not try to find a middle ground - instead push back as violently and as hatefully as you can and make sure they understand they are not welcome and never will be.

Learn to hate them, totally and completely, as they hate you and everything you love.

 

[William Murderface]

The only upside to the rapid turnover in TTRPGs among writing staff is that they don't generally get to stick around long enough to corrupt. They get in, write a few things, then move on to the next game in the hopes that their previous writing will get them a little bit more pay. If you look at the sheer number of people who have written for BT you will see they just aren't going to stick around all that long. There are some exceptions, especially when they fail upwards and go from contributor to writer to assistant line developer to line developer to some executive type job, but a lot of those people are there because they get into a clique. Thankfully those people are pretty rare and even they will move on once they need to support a family.

Not to mention if someone buys out a brand or company, the new owner could purge the old guard. I like to imagine someone who has watched the troons and Mormons who currently run BT winning the Powerball, buying it outright from Topps or Fanantics, and cleaning house and replacing Coleman and Bills and the social media folks. Not all at once, but buying BT, headhunting people who know what they're doing, yanking the license from CGL and setting everything up under their own banner, and over time firing people.

 

[MG-34]

I really hate how distorted and disorganized current battletech is. I really miss the 1990s when FASA was the only company in control of the IP. Sometimes I wonder if the IP would have faired better if James Workshop bought it out.

 

[RSU 1741]

I would say BT needs new ownership, or at least Topps giving the license to someone else to run

I really hate how distorted and disorganized current battletech is.

It's a feature, not a bug. Battletech's rights are a complete mess, if I remember right. When FASA was taken out in a ditch and shot, Weisman went on to found WizKids and planned to go digital because vydia was indeed the future. The rights to the game went one way, the rights to the fiction another, the rights to the sale of models another way entirely (it's Iron Wind, right? With their dogshit 80ies metal sculpt and scalper prices and refusal to modernize) and even the rights to digital record sheets went to a random guy that now is dead. It's a complete mess and it's clear that the survival of Btech is a complete happenstance because the owners themselves would have liked to see the system dead, substituted by ClickTech first and Alpha Strike now.

they hate you and everything you love.

Why should someone love GW or contemporary Warhammer? It's a skinner box made by people that hate you and want to exploit you. I may have liked Warhams when I was 13 (and I still keep my army books, the Fantasy Flight RPGs and enjoy Total Warhammer) but it's done by people that hate you. The rules are unplayable and made to fuck with people, the lore is dogshit and made to justify BUYING THE NEW THING, the entirety of their business model is based on exploiting and hating their own customers.

Trying to defend GW products from wokeness is like trying to defend a druggie that's trying to scam you from a tranny rapist . It's not a hill worth dying on, methinks. Btech being strangled by trannies is simply between the sad and the amusing, because they're trying to get queer in a racist game about giant robots smashing each other. It's pathetic.

 

[William Murderface]

It's a feature, not a bug. Battletech's rights are a complete mess, if I remember right.

To put it mildly. Bits and pieces have been sold off over the years. When FASA sued over Exo Squad and was in turned sued by Harmony Gold, FASA ended up in seriously dire straits financially. So they sold off the video game rights to Microsoft, who in turn licensed the various VG we have today. But they are totally sperate entities so M$ can do whatever they want and the TTG can go their own way and never the twin shall meet...unless the developers of both want them to. Which they no apparently do since so much of that VG crap has been showing up in the TTG and the writers want to capture that market instead of saying "there was nothing between the Taurians and Canopians so ignore that game". That's also why we're stuck using a fan created MegaMek game instead of an official TTG simulator.

Just to add to the complexity, FASA sold the mech creator program to Rick Raisley in perpetuity. He basically rage quit when he got the details about the Jihad and stopped supporting his mech creator programs and refuses to sell them back. I think when he dies the rights revert back to whoever actually owns BT. The same set up applies to the metal minis. The owner of IWM has them until he dies, he just didn't ragequit is all. But the Europeans have to license the minis and make their own and I have no idea how that works. CGL had to get his permission to make the plastic minis, and one of the conditions he has was they can't sell individual minis which is why you have to buy them in packs or as a pack-in with a boxed set.

The boardgames and fiction were all bought by WizKids and Jordan Weisman. He originally was just going to do a timejump to the collapse of the RotS and ignore the entire period between the end of the FedCom Civil War and the start of the Dark Age, but relented and allowed FanPro to publish stuff, but only up to the start of the Jihad. That's why the first publications from them were stuff like TRO: 3067 and RS: 3067 and Historical: War of 3039 and the FCCW sourcebook. A seperate company called In Media Res (owned by Coleman) was started to do subscription based fiction, again up to the start of the Jihad. The Dark Age novels were handled by WK. Eventually he relented and allowed FP to start publishing Jihad stuff. Weisman sold WK to Topps (the baseball card people), who were then sold to Fanatics (the sports merch people). Along the way the FP license was about to run out, so the license for all the BT and Shadowrun stuff they had left was switched to a new company Coleman started called Catalyst Game Labs. Along the way Coleman uses his company's money to build a porch on his house, but his buddy Randall Bills, who effectively runs the company for Coleman, says it's no biggie instead of an 800,000 dollar case of embezzlement, and a metric shit-ton of writers demand their stuff no longer be published because they aren't being paid at all. For whatever reason Topps didn't seem to care at all since CGL still has the license.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Trannies constantly pushing for it in both companies, or maybe they did the market research and think this might be a good excuse for certain foreveralones to buy plastic crack?

Yes what we wargamers are clamoring for is a single player version of a wargame. Just because all these troons and tranny's at CGL have no real life friends they can only think that it's the same for everyone else.

Its not the Trannies that are forcing it. There is an uptick of Board Games with single player rules that have been seeing some huge hits recently and solo play games are hitting a huge stride in the market and CGL wants a peice of it.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

The worst thing is that all the FASA unseen mechs are the core of the IP which is part of all the legal shit.

All of the immediately recognizable Mech's are all stolen from the anime. Err except maybe the Locust or the Atlas maybe. I'd reckon that most non B-Tech players would know the WarHammer cuz it's on the box but if you showed them the Atlas I doubt they could tell you what game it was from.

I keep reassuring folks though, B-Tech has risen and fallen many times and when CGL inevitably goes bankrupt another hopefully better company will pick it up and the cycle will go on.

Personally I think the time of the TTG's is coming to an end. People are less social and more interested in computer games then spending time playing a TTG. Even my beloved SFB is 99% played online now a days, meet up are few and very far between. But shit changes and you just gota accept it.

 

[William Murderface]

The worst thing is that all the FASA unseen mechs are the core of the IP which is part of all the legal shit.

All of the immediately recognizable Mech's are all stolen from the anime. Err except maybe the Locust or the Atlas maybe. I'd reckon that most non B-Tech players would know the WarHammer cuz it's on the box but if you showed them the Atlas I doubt they could tell you what game it was from.

I keep reassuring folks though, B-Tech has risen and fallen many times and when CGL inevitably goes bankrupt another hopefully better company will pick it up and the cycle will go on.

Personally I think the time of the TTG's is coming to an end. People are less social and more interested in computer games then spending time playing a TTG. Even my beloved SFB is 99% played online now a days, meet up are few and very far between. But shit changes and you just gota accept it.

That's just it: they weren't stolen. They were licensed. The problem ultimately comes down to Japanese and American laws over copyright and licensing don't really mesh and in Japan, the right hand and the left hand don't always know what the other one is doing (or who has licensed what). So you end up with FASA making a good faith effort to license various anime designs, being told they can use them, then Harmony Gold saying they can't, that gets dragged out in the courts, FASA decides not to use the Unseen ever again, then FASA having to sue whoever over Exosquad, then Harmony Gold suing again and while FASA ultimately wins, its a pyrrhic victory because the company is essentially bankrupted over the legal expenses. But here comes Microsoft with a bunch of money to buy the MechWarrior VG series, and all of the VG related ownership of FASA Interactive, but it still wasn't enough cash. Thankfully, again, they have a buyer for various properties and stay in the black, but effectively shutter the company in the process.

Then in the mid-2010s there is another series of lawsuits that HG ultimately lose and the cases are dismissed with prejudice, so BT can use the designs, although ones that are modified somewhat, which are the ones we see today. There's actually a fairly interesting book on the entire subject that's available online for free as a PDF if you're interested.

Unseen History PDF