Best arguments against multiculturalism/globalism?

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And he is correct. What he doesn't acknowledge is that this is completely normal. - Humans are by nature tribalistic because that's how cultures, societies and nations form. It is absolutely normal for people to want to live, work and associate with others who share their values and way of life, and people who have those things in common with you probably look like you.
But Leftists live in a fantasy world where people Should Be a certain way, rather than as they actually are.
A long time ago on a college campus far far away, one of my Historical Sociology courses went over an in depth study of intragroup violence vs intergroup violence, and the conclusion was, frankly, fascinating. Basically, these researchers spent years tracking various groups of chimps and various groups of people, and compared that information to historical data, and what they found was that, while the amount and severity of intragroup violence, that is, the amount of violence that members of a group inflict on each other, in humans was significantly lower, almost negligible, the amount of intergroup violence, that is, different groups inflicting violence on each other, was very, very close.

Basically, what this means, is that humans, biologically and sociologically, are as violent as literal chimpanzees in regards to interacting with other groups of humans. It is innate. Humans work together, are naturally altruistic, and naturally trusting, but only if they identify as members of the same group.
 
I know the correct answer is to not give a shit and move on from someone arguing in bad faith, but I really do want to present multiple objective points to where he'd actually have to fully admit to his entire worldview being retarded.
I have been there, and I will give you the epiphany I got after a debate that left me so baffled that I stoped looking for people with opposite views to "debate":

You are arguing with people who never grasped elementary school level math (the bar is super low today for high school students and non “hard STEM” university programs), they simply don't understand the derivations of any functions (or even the concept of it). They might have heard the term “acceleration”, but have no idea what it actually implies for a model. Their statistical understanding at most, is that they apply a Gaussian function to everything, which is pretty worrying since 99.999% of all economic and social studies do so. They think if it has some vague numbers, it is "science" and there for "logical".

These people are also literally broken, they have taken pills that destroys their brains before it's even fully developed, add all the psyop our generation has been through and it's no wonder why people are "retarded". They can barely read and are not able to internalize things, they will literally take a scientific report, a journo article, random reddit posts and tiktoks at face value and say it's true (while refuse to even read a 4chan/imageboard effort post), they will even use movies as a introduction to something, or even worse: as an reference! They literally think "peer review = many thinks it's true, hence it's indisputable", and you stand there unable to talk about anything in the end. If you have to start spoon-feeding basic stuff, it's already over.

The era of being able to debate/argue things is over. In the end, it's not about "facts and logic", it's about who you can trust and who has your interests at first (or just similar).

Stop wasting time on lost causes.


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Best arguments against multiculturalism/globalism?​


If you really want to convince someone, I got one. It's not my "best argument", but it's one of my best "think about it" memes I have used to redpill a lot of random people IRL:

If "multiculturalism" really was the most optimal form of dogma to follow by, you would have seen this concept to have thrived in history. So far, we only got evidence that it's the opposite that thrives better, non-multiculturalism has always been the winner. If you look at more recent times, you got more people willing to do "what is needed to preserve their race/ethnicity existence", a.k.a sympathise with "extremism". You don't see people being "willing to die" and "do crazy stuff" to achieve multiculturalism, you only see people do things in order to stop it. That to me is a huge indicator that people don't value multiculturalism at all and the opposite ideologies seems more desirable for a lot of people.

Same with "globalism", nobody with an healthy mind would be willing to die for it. Unless it's "globalism" under my rule 🤗

Most people would die for their family and the next thing is for their extended family. But a stranger that doesn't talk or look the same as you? That's a hard sell.

Another angle to approach this would be to ask them if they have ever heard about someone being "radicalized by multiculturalism". You only hear about people being "radicalized by non-multicultural ideas" by the media.
 
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There are a lot of good points brought up itt, here is my slightly acoustic addition.

Convincing someone who holds such views typically requires appealing to their emotions, as few people are swayed by facts alone. A single image showing the dire consequences of multiculturalism is more persuasive than any well-reasoned argument.

To truly make someone grasp the ugliness and danger of multiculturalism or globalism, they must first accept the reality of biology and race. Cultures and civilizations are fundamentally products of biology, with environmental differences playing a minimal role. For example, the Dutch settlers in Africa retained the same behaviors as their ancestors in Europe. Similarly, despite efforts to "civilize" Black people through forced assimilation, such as language training and cultural conditioning, they inevitably revert to their natural state. Look at their perversion of the English language for example.

You can draw parallels between human races and animal breeds or subspecies, just as different breeds exhibit distinct behaviors, so too do different human races.

European concepts of law and order are superior for Europeans but inappropriate for Africans, who have their own systems that align better with their biology. Attempts to impose European standards on other groups are futile because these standards do not align with the biological inclinations of those groups. This is why certain behaviors persist in non-European cultures, despite external pressures to conform to European norms.

For example, look at the Semites and their practices like child marriage or bacha bazi boys or Jew York rape tunnels, these are biologically ingrained and not simply changed that's why even their holiest books condone child rape.
The significant efforts made by the United States to alter the behavior of Black populations, are ultimately doomed to fail. Even if such groups are temporarily forced to adopt different behaviors, they will eventually revert to their "natural" state once the external pressure is removed.

The notion that integration is achievable often stems from an irrational belief in the concept of a "true self." Many Westerners imagine themselves as a small, autonomous entity—whether it be a spirit or a pilot—controlling a "meat robot" or earthly vessel, with their "true self" residing as some ethereal, glowing essence. This "true self" can become anything it wants.
However, this perspective is flawed and leads to misunderstandings about human nature.

In reality, much of what constitutes your identity is beyond your direct control, yet it exerts a significant influence over you. Your body, for example, plays a critical role: hunger alters your behavior, and losing a limb can fundamentally change who you are as a person. The majority of your daily decisions are made with little conscious thought, driven by instinct and external factors.

If you believe you are a detached entity making independent decisions, unaffected by your body or environment, then the idea of integration might seem plausible—simply a matter of convincing another such entity to align with your perspective. However, the truth is that you are not separate from your body, your experiences, or your environment. Your identity is intricately tied to being the person whose father is Bob, who is married to Susan, who lives in Rhodesia, and who lost a pinky finger in a washing machine accident. These aspects are inseparable from who you are.

Your decisions are largely shaped by your biology, and this is a natural and essential aspect of being human.

In conclusion, true integration is impossible without advanced genetic engineering, natural cultural or racial integration cannot occur.
 
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To truly make someone grasp the ugliness and danger of multiculturalism or globalism, they must first accept the reality of biology and race.
I agree with your post, but trying to mention this to a "normie" is very hard to do without causing a lot of "turbulence in the room" so to speak. I don't think OP can do that. People only change their mind if their beliefs has failed them in some way, that their ideology is punishing them for endorsing it or just living its lifestyle.

Figure out what they want (like their goals in life, would they let their close ones live in said society when they are gone etc), unless they want to be a reddit bugman mutt full time coomer, globalism will quickly be ruled out for them.
 
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In addition to the usual points against multiculturalism theres the question of what exactly multiculturalism is and whether it actually has ever existed in the form most people instinctually think of.

Most normal people when they think of the term multiculturalism think of some vague fantasy melting pot of cultures operating in roughly equal proportions and perfect harmony with each other. I on the other hand argue that the 'multiculturalism' we have today is just modern political progressivism and social justice waving around the superficial trappings of different cultures.

The West has been destroying other cultures for centuries. The Big Lie taught by most media and so called educational institutions is that it stopped in the 60s, when actually it never did at all. They just replaced the core of classical Western liberalism with ramblings from 20/21st century out of touch mentally ill academics and social media influencers in the Frankenstein of bolted on kimonos and feather headdresses.

Modern multiculturalism continues the proud tradition of exterminating other cultures. But with the clever trick of fooling your victims into believing otherwise. Sure you're allowed to wear a sombrero or eat sushi but everything that matters comes from the core of Western derived progressivism. This 'multiculturalism' doesn't merge with other cultures so much as it rips the heart out of them and wears their skin and eventually replaces them like an alien doppleganger.

If you don't believe me just read up on the actual history of nonwestern cultures and all the wacky things like Thuggee cults, spousal immolation, footbinding, attitudes toward women and slaves and all the other stuff that was extinguished first in the name of classical European liberalism. Now more innocuous traditions like family values continue to be extinguished and surpressed by our new internationalist 'multicultural' culture. In turn this is replaced by things which have no equvialent in the extinguished culture like tranny bathrooms and prohibitions against deadnaming.

Other cultures used to actually be different from each other. Now we basically have offshoots of western culture; traditional liberalism, failed liberalism, post soviet communism, far left progressivism etc, almost everywhere but just wearing different masks.

Like some cultures of the past but unlike the fantasy conception of multicuturalism which has never been observed in history, there is no real tolerance. Modern multicult culture destroys rather than compromises with that which conflicts with its true core tenets. It also spreads relentlessly and attempts to displace all others. ie SJW concepts spreading across the world. Whining about how women in all countries are not childless corporate climibing feminists.

The only seeming exception to its intolerance is when it has a bigger goal in mind. For example multicult will allow beatings of women and even little children and many other very seemingly unwoke things in order to advance against what it sees as its biggest rival, classical liberal western culture. But multicult has no love for islam or muslims or even extremist muslims as anything but tools, to be disposed when they are no longer useful. For example modern progressive 'muslim' girls in western contries are often more progressive than they are muslim. They may wear a hijab but they don't believe at all in actual important doctrines like the place of a woman in a family. When push comes to shove they will abandon the latter for the former.

Different assimilated groups as a reward for giving up their culture are now part of this new multimonoculture which consists of nothing but guilt, attacking other cultures as oppressors, and wearing their faces. They are dropped and embraced and dropped again and sometimes even made the enemy as needed as we can see where leftist parties abandoned blacks for hispanics, abandoned women and gays for transgenders, and abandoned the working class for identity politics while still claiming to fight for all of them.
 
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this is like saying "whats the best argument about filling your gas tank with salt"

it breaks it and damages it beyond repair, and it wasnt designed for that
 
The Dunbar limit is probably the most compelling reason why multiculturalism isn't even possible, regardless of the demographics involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

TL;DR it is hypothesized that the number of people your average person can cognitively account for is limited at around 150. When you try to go beyond that, we default to compressing people into stereotypes according to their various traits. The aim of multiculturalism is to allow as many demographics to coexist as possible without the use of stereotyping, but it simply isn't cognitively possible whatsoever.
 
Look at what happened to Canada when they failed to make themselves an Indian monoculture. Indians having to share a country with non-Indians leads only to disaster. If only Indians weren’t the most skilled doctors, engineers, and Uber drivers, maybe the West wouldn’t greedily import them.
 
pls kiwifarms give me tips to win my next debate agaisnt this guyy..
 
There's a guy I've gotten into a couple debates with recently who is pretty much the embodiment of everything wrong with the modern world. He loves multiculturalism and thinks that all wars and tribalism are just examples of humans choosing to be ignorant and biased, that whiteness is a social construct and that the idea of nationalism always leads to genocide. Of course, he couldn't really argue how he'd create a world of complete unity without the kind of genocide he bitches about, where every group of people has the same standards/morals and where those standards would come from.
I know the correct answer is to not give a shit and move on from someone arguing in bad faith, but I really do want to present multiple objective points to where he'd actually have to fully admit to his entire worldview being retarded.

So what are some of the best objective arguments against diversity/tolerance/globalism?
How insular do you think cultures should generally be?
Also can you be nationalist and be in support of international trade/import?
And is any nation adopting different customs/innovations from others an argument against nationalism?
Because multiculturalism is the ultimate genocide, just like that comic posted on the first page shows. A multicultural world is one of homogeneity, where every city and country are the exact same. At most, they're just theme park versions of each other. Everyone in multicultural world speaks English, they live in the same glass box apartment or generic Western-style house, they watch and consoom the same goyslop media, and they eat the same goyslop which is a bastardized mix of all the world's cultures. Countries are nothing but economic units which must compete with each other by adopting the exact same policies and laws devised by a room of corporate elites in Davos. People too are nothing but economic units that move about according to whims. Tradition, cultural, history, everything gets lost in this.

Notice I haven't even mentioned race yet. I don't need to. Multiculturalism and globalism isn't just white genocide, it's black genocide, Asian genocide, Jewish genocide, everything genocide. Multiculturalism by intention destroys diversity. Multiculturalism and the associated policies required for it demand that any sort of distinction in humans is eroded, from our skin color to our languages to our race, and that's where you get promotion of sexual deviancy and so-called "anti-racism" laws. It inevitably destroys nations. Multiculturalism is essentially just old-school colonialism rebranded, except now every nation is a colony of trans-national globalist finance elite and is subject to the exact same practices used in governing colonies. When historians say globalism started in the 1500s, they aren't exaggerating or lying. It's ironic those same historians are usually full supporters of modern globalism, despite modern globalism being nothing but a continuation of the exact same forces that gave us things like the trans-Atlantic slave trade or the extinction of literally thousands of cultures in the Americas, Africa, Australia, etc.

Now I don't think opposing globalism is totally anathema to international trade. That sounds like a strawman. International trade goes back to the root of humanity. All opposing globalism means is that rich countries won't flood poor countries with cheap goods (i.e. giving away clothes for free fucks up African economies because they can't even establish a domestic market for sweatshop products which would actually improve the lives of their people) and that poor countries won't flood rich countries with cheap labor. There's still plenty of things that would be necessarily imported and exported. For instance, a lot of free trade (not the WTO globalist garbage) is good because it gives people in rich countries cheaper goods while raising the standard of living in the third world.

Nations adopting the customs and innovations of other nations isn't globalism either. Even in the Stone Age we can see there were different cultural areas based on tools and such, and modern Stone Age cultures like Australian Aboriginals have the same thing. Yes, it was spread in similar ways to modern globalism (trade, war, diplomacy, etc.), but overall it isn't the same as the deliberate engineering of societies to become multicultural and globalist just so rich multinational elites can profit. It was an organic affair done at a horizontal level, and there were sharp barriers between these different spheres even when they regularly traded. Like Rome and Persia traded, but Roman culture and Persian culture was very distinct and only at the border regions did you have anything approaching a fusion.

A lot of the leftist doctrine that underlies modern globalism is actually just as useful for dismantling it as an idea. There are some Marxist texts that are definitely relevant to how globalism works like ironically some of that by Antonio Gramsci, the founder of cultural Marxism himself. Even some modern leftist theories like world systems theory are very good for analyzing how globalism works (like when rich white Westerners force Africans and Muslims to legalize gay marriage and have gay pride parades). Hell, even the idea of cultural relativism beloved by leftists tells us that there's nothing wrong when a Muslim wants to throw gays off a rooftop, ergo why force our culture onto them?

The reason why the opponents of globalism aren't Marxists today seems to be solely because the Western left became nothing but useful idiots for globalism. That, and Marxism neglects fundamental truths regarding the natural inequality between people (including by race, sex, and class)--when you realize we're all different and can never become equal no matter how many revolutions you have, it makes it a lot easier to accept the globalist program isn't working as we were told it would.
The Dunbar limit is probably the most compelling reason why multiculturalism isn't even possible, regardless of the demographics involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

TL;DR it is hypothesized that the number of people your average person can cognitively account for is limited at around 150. When you try to go beyond that, we default to compressing people into stereotypes according to their various traits. The aim of multiculturalism is to allow as many demographics to coexist as possible without the use of stereotyping, but it simply isn't cognitively possible whatsoever.
That's not entirely true. Some Native American tribes were hunter gatherers and wandered around living in tents, but they were actually fairly multiethnic. Their nomadic tent villages would have people of a bunch of different tribes, some of whom were personal servants of the chief, some were the wives or even husbands of the people of the tribe, and pretty much everyone spoke 2 or 3 languages because that was the language of the nearby tribes they'd trade with. Is that multiculturalism?

On the other hand, Native Americans were also very racist to each other and each tribe had an endless number of stereotypes. The Shoshone were pretty funny since they don't even have names for other tribes, they just referred to every other Indian tribe by the stereotypical food they ate. It's like if we had no word for "French" or "Italian" or "Chinese", they were just "Frog-Eaters", "Pasta-Eaters", and "Dog-Eaters."
 
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Niggers and pakis (brownoids) Pollute; my nose with their stink, my eyes with their nigger-features, my ears with their accents, my tongue with their 3rd world cuisine and my touch with their disgusting hygeine.

They're offensive to all five sense and I'm tired of pretending that they're not.
 
The guys of American Thinker posted a good rant about why globalism is bad. Lots of points we already knew but it's worth to repeat.

August 31, 2024

Globalism Is Economic Slavery​

By J.B. Shurk


Imagine life in the near future. A man resides alone in a tiny apartment. He would prefer to be married, but the State considers that antiquated institution “patriarchal” and “white supremacist.” He would prefer to have children, but he can’t afford them. Besides, his yearly carbon allowance is insufficient to cover another resource-wasting human being.

He has never owned anything. He rents his bedroom, his furnishings, and his meager entertainments. Each month, a digital account associated with his digital ID receives a number of central bank digital currency units. How much he receives depends upon the number of hours he works at his government job, how much the government values his work, how much the government taxes him for the privilege of using public infrastructure, and how much of his income the government decides should be redistributed to other citizens in need. After taxes, rents, utilities, and other assorted municipal, state, federal, and international fees are deducted from his earnings, he has little — if any — discretionary income.
If he chooses to save that income to invest in his future, the government informs him that his central bank digital currency units disappear within ninety days. If he tries to purchase something that the government has banned, he forfeits what he currently has. If he does something that the government deems contrary to his well-being, his social credit score decreases, and a fraction of his discretionary income disappears. Every few weeks, a digital doctor (running on artificial intelligence) appears on the video screen in his apartment with a detailed list of all the “unhealthy” things he has done since their last interaction. He is informed that a portion of his temporary savings will be redistributed to citizens with healthier habits. His A.I. health monitor tells him that he must immediately report to the closest pharmaceutical distribution center so that he can be injected with the latest “vaccines.” Failure to do so will result in the deactivation of all electronic entertainment devices and a permanent mark on his social credit record.
 
Erasure of a people cohesion and identity. and the reliance on global free trade inevitably results in offshoring of manufacturing by first world countries and thus make them dependent on cheap labor from the third world, this makes the first world countries less self reliant, economies less stable, but also can be a national security issue in certain cases where production of things like ships or bombs no longer has the required infrastructure in place to do so in an emergency. Furthermore by offshoring manufacture to third world countries you basically are making them rich off the backs of the first worlds economy. This was basically said verbatim by Mexicos former president by the way.
This might seem like a small aspect of globalism compared to everything else but make no mistake, Globalism can only exist if free trade in the absence of industry-protecting tariffs exist.
 
No, not every culture is equal. In fact based on immigration patterns, one would have to deduce that Western culture is superior to all other cultures. Millions of people aren’t banging on the door of sub-Sahara Africa or India or China and pleading to be allowed in.

 
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