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It was more that Walter approached crime like it was a gangster movie. Drug deals in scrapyards, wearing shades and a hat in public places, expecting things yet not doing them, and thinking things would always work his way. Saul and Mike say it best: they're terrible criminals. They didn't expect Walt to be that much of a fuck up. He's like Squat Cobbler on a massive scale.

Walt kept expecting Mike to thank him, which isn't at all something you expect from a partner or even an employee. It was petty bullshit. By the end, Mike's more than had it. His conclusion about Walter was right from the very beginning to the end: he was a ticking time bomb. Nothing he built would last long because it was too personal for him. Walt wanted to be the big man despite not having what it takes to hold that position. He killed the guy who did.

The sad thing about "Walt thinking organized crime as a movie" thing is that you would have thought Walt would have been savy enough to know that the whole "ordinary guy who gets involve with crime due to an emergency/crisis" scenario never ends well unless they have a clear exit strategy.

This is where, in a lot of ways, Breaking Bad fell apart. Walt got the ambition bug combined with the cliche of "a man in a hurry is a dangerous thing" due to his cancer putting him on a time table where he had only a limited amount of time to make his money for his family via the drug trade. In that regard, it would have made more sense in a way if you had Saul and Mike exploiting Walt due to them growing frustrated with Gus's management (IE him insisting that he will have his revenge on the Mexican cartel boss who murdered his best friend/lover and goading the cartel into a confrontation for that purpose) and thinking that Walt would work be such a headache to deal with, that by the time Gus said "fuck it" and killed Walt, that Mike/Saul would have enough time to smooth over shit with the cartel and keep Gus from triggering a revenge fueled gang war.
 
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The sad thing about "Walt thinking organized crime as a movie" thing is that you would have thought Walt would have been savy enough to know that the whole "ordinary guy who gets involve with crime due to an emergency/crisis" scenario never ends well unless they have a clear exit strategy.
One thing that comes up time and time again is that Walt isn't actually as smart as he thinks he is. He knows how to cook meth and can teach Chemistry. Except he doesn't teach in any university, denies all ways out of his situation because of pride, and can't do much of the actual dealing side of being a drug lord. If Jesse were even slightly the gangbanger he thought he was, he would've murdered Walt ages ago for the way he jerked him around constantly. Walt, at best, is a midwit. His higher than average intelligence makes him think he knows more than anyone else, but he's too blinded by his own idea of himself to see the truth. Despite looking down on Jesse for rightfully being stupid, he knew more than Walt about what he was getting into, and he could never match up to Gus, who really did know how to manage an empire. The man's life falls apart in the span of a year from the consequences of all his retarded actions.
 
One thing that comes up time and time again is that Walt isn't actually as smart as he thinks he is. He knows how to cook meth and can teach Chemistry. Except he doesn't teach in any university, denies all ways out of his situation because of pride, and can't do much of the actual dealing side of being a drug lord. If Jesse were even slightly the gangbanger he thought he was, he would've murdered Walt ages ago for the way he jerked him around constantly. Walt, at best, is a midwit. His higher than average intelligence makes him think he knows more than anyone else, but he's too blinded by his own idea of himself to see the truth. Despite looking down on Jesse for rightfully being stupid, he knew more than Walt about what he was getting into, and he could never match up to Gus, who really did know how to manage an empire. The man's life falls apart in the span of a year from the consequences of all his retarded actions.
I never understood the people who thought Walt was a genius. The show goes out of its way to demonstrate that the only thing Walt is good at is cooking meth and coming up with science based schemes. He has really no business sense and more or less settled for a pretty sub par life despite his chemistry skills that could have him in a six to even seven figure job anywhere else at the start of the series. Its only his Cancer that really pushes him to realize his mortality and the fact that he hasn't planned or saved dick all for his families future (at the age of 50 no less), which of course kicks off the entire series of events. A series of events we know really wouldn't have needed to happen had Walt just taken the gig with his old business partners or just sought out a high paying job elsewhere.

Even running his meth empire required Mike to do practically everything other than cook the meth. Then everything with the meth empire predictably turns pear shaped when he dies. Hell, the only reason Walt keeps Jesse around is because he is such a idiotic poser loser that Walt can bully him for being a retard just like life has bullied Walt for being a retard. The bullied becomes the bully in a sense.

While Walter never lacked for scientific intelligence, he lacked patience, experience, awareness, business acumen and probably most importantly respect.
 
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The sad thing about "Walt thinking organized crime as a movie" thing is that you would have thought Walt would have been savy enough to know that the whole "ordinary guy who gets involve with crime due to an emergency/crisis" scenario never ends well unless they have a clear exit strategy.
Originally he did, he told Jesse that once they sold that giant pile of meth they cooked together in the van in the desert, he was out. But without meth, he had nothing. No career he enjoyed, no peers who respected him, nothing that really gave him value outside of being a husband and father, and even then he didn't really care much about that. But with the reputation he gained as Heisenberg, he finally had more money and respect than he'd ever attained before. And he truly believed he was too smart to fall into that trope and lose. Killing Gus just confirmed that for him.

I never understood the people who thought Walt was a genius.
Well Walt was a genius, he was highly intelligent and was able to come up with all those schemes. The problem is that that doesn't mean you're intelligent in all fields. TotalBiscuit apparently had an IQ over 160 and he said a ton of dumb shit over the years, and was so wasteful with money his family lived in a massive house they couldn't afford.

Walt's problem was that, as said above, he was too arrogant and prideful to accept that he was not knowledgeable in all the fields needed to succeed at drugs. He knew the chemistry, and he'd watched some movies, so clearly a man of his intellect could get in and out without issue. And as he found out quickly, it's more complicated than that.
 
Well Walt was a genius, he was highly intelligent and was able to come up with all those schemes. The problem is that that doesn't mean you're intelligent in all fields. TotalBiscuit apparently had an IQ over 160 and he said a ton of dumb shit over the years, and was so wasteful with money his family lived in a massive house they couldn't afford.
yeah, neither was that smart
one man let his ego rule him and the other didn't get checked after shitting blood
 
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I had on Breaking Bad as background noise and an interaction made the ol gear's spin. Season 3 Episode 12 of Breaking Bad is all about Jessey wanting to get revenge. It is also how Jessie gets on Gus's radar aside from just Walt. I just found it interesting that Mike was recruited for similar reasons and Jessie was as well, heck, if things worked out, Mike and Jessie would have been a fun show.
 
Crime dramas typically do a Dead Cat Bounce, the last half of the 2nd to last season fills you with hope before shitting on your dreams.
 
BCS's last season was so unbelievably bad, so unfathomably shitty, that I started to dislike Breaking Bad in retrospect.

I mean, I always thought BB's last season was terrible too (but not as much, obviously), so the writing was on the wall. These guys are fucking hacks.
eh guess they cant do endings. i dont think theyre incentivized to make final seasons you dislike
 
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You know, I just wanted to enjoy good writing again so I restarted this series. Something I noticed in episode one was they played out the entirety of Kim Wexler's story arc with Jimmy in one take. She cleans up after Jimmy kicking the piss out of the trash bin at the conclusion of the scene. We're never going to see a television series this tightly written ever again, I'm optimistic but a heavy dose of black pill.
 
Mark Margolis, who played Hector Salamanca, died on the 3rd of August 2023 "following a short illness" according to news reports on the 4th of August 2023.

Before playing Hector he also had notable roles as Sosa's henchman in "Scarface"...

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...and as Italian prison shot caller Antonio Nappa in "Oz"

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IMO his performances in BB and BCS show he was very underrated in his abilities to portray highly emotive and intimidating villains. It is unfortunate this talent wasn't recognised earlier and he didn't land more even more iconic roles such as this, but we should appreciate him for the outstanding performances he did give . R.I.P.

 
IMO his performances in BB and BCS show he was very underrated in his abilities to portray highly emotive and intimidating villains.
It was fairly amazing what he was able to pull off considering for much of his appearance on BB and BCS, he was only able to move his face and one hand.
 
Mark Margolis, who played Hector Salamanca, died on the 3rd of August 2023 "following a short illness" according to news reports on the 4th of August 2023.

Before playing Hector he also had notable roles as Sosa's henchman in "Scarface"...

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...and as Italian prison shot caller Antonio Nappa in "Oz"

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IMO his performances in BB and BCS show he was very underrated in his abilities to portray highly emotive and intimidating villains. It is unfortunate this talent wasn't recognised earlier and he didn't land more even more iconic roles such as this, but we should appreciate him for the outstanding performances he did give . R.I.P.

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eh guess they cant do endings. i dont think theyre incentivized to make final seasons you dislike
They wanted to be done with Breaking Bad, and so they put a bow on it where someone paid for all the bad that happened in the world, and someone felt some guilt who should have felt some guilt. They picked the exact wrong fucking character to do it with I think, and did it in the least legitimate way possible, and arrived there in the dumbest way possible, but I don't
I had on Breaking Bad as background noise and an interaction made the ol gear's spin. Season 3 Episode 12 of Breaking Bad is all about Jessey wanting to get revenge. It is also how Jessie gets on Gus's radar aside from just Walt. I just found it interesting that Mike was recruited for similar reasons and Jessie was as well, heck, if things worked out, Mike and Jessie would have been a fun show.
I think the shows had a real lack of courage in some respects in how they dealt with their characters. They were afraid of upsetting the balance of the show, and so Walt dying before the show ended was never a question for them. I think the show would have legitimately been better if Walt died in his efforts to kill Gus, but was still successful in killing him via Hector. Season 5 was repetitive thematically and in terms of character. Walt just kept doing the same shit. How many problems can Walt's giant fucking brain get him out of? All of them. How lucky is Walt? Perfectly. What will he do to keep getting meth money and keep his dick up? Literally anything. How much money is enough for Walt? There is no number. How bad does Jesse feel? Pretty fucking bad. How fucked is Mike? Extremely. Will Hank be a good cop and catch Walt? Yeah probably.

Walt kept making bad decisions and getting away with it in a way that strains credulity with successive watches. It's not a bad show, S5 is still ok even if the plotline is considerably more retarded than it should have been. What if, instead of Walt getting vindicated time and again, and outsmarting and being luckier people who are clearly at least as ruthless and vicious and paranoid as him, he lost? Wouldn't Skyler have been a much more tolerable character if Walt just ate shit, and she was right? And the show believed that as well? What if S5 was about Jesse and Mike desperately trying to hold shit together as the wheels all truly came off? Gus dead, Walt dead, Walt's family in tatters, Jesse feeling bad about that and having to piece together how the fuck Brock got poisoned without Walt's obvious bullshit incriminating himself? The Mike and Jesse show would have been very interesting compared to the Walt always wins show, there would have been something a bit more dramatically interesting with Walt's family for once. Killing off Walt in the late seasons would have probably been a commercially dumb move, but it could have probably kept or exceeded hype for S5, and let us avoid the boring shit that was El Camino. The biggest problem BB has is that it killed off its best antagonist in S4, and failed to create any for S5 that were worth the time. Walt keeps getting away with it is an interesting angle but he had no credible foil anymore, so there was a lot less drama until the very end when his bad decisions inevitably bit him in the ass.

Hell, this would have spared us some of the 'guilt' that ended up destroying BCS' coda episodes and retroactively pissing on the entire experience.
 
It's amazing how fast this thread died after the show ended. I think this show will always be one of the biggest what ifs of TV. People will think its a mediocre show if someone ever revisits it again solely because of the ending, but for a while it was really good. The ending should have just been Saul fucking everyone over and running away, including Kim.
 
It really was kind of a wet fart, wasn't it? I was iffy in the beginning, but it really was disappointing. Just seemed like they had no idea how to wrap everything up.
I think they just needed Saul to pull one final con and fuck off forever. He was off character so bad in the last episodes. Ironically I feel that'll always be the end result of hack writers who do these types of show. The Sopranos and Breaking Bad have the same issue (Tony being an extreme dimwit/asshole, Walt being a pussy/admitting he did it just for the shit of it)
 
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