Better Call Saul

[Internet War Criminal]

if you think human incompetence is unbelievable you ain't been in the world much. would not have surprised me if that fat security guard had been facing the cams, head down in his phone, and still didn't notice, honestly.

They are night guards at a mall in the middle of wisconsin, I would be surprised if they looked at their screens more than once every 10 minutes while they are sitting in front of them in the first place.

And that can be tied to Saul how? He wasnt involved in that same operation aside of basic networking and legal advice, which DEA likely wasnt even aware about, making him the least priority target. Especially with all members of said drug operation dead or gone, there is not a lot to tie criminal lawyer to the whole operation. Unless some drugdealer shoots Saul dead, hes clean and aint gonna pay for that.

Him deserving to get away with it, and him getting away with it, are two entirely differently questions.

On a moral level, he absolutely does not deserve to get away with it. On a material level, he was involved with washing the money, and helping Gus, Mike, Walter, Jesse and a bunch of other criminals get away with actual real crimes by fucking with the system in ways that are clearly illegal and, if the feds or local prosecutors have info, he would definitely go down for it.

The question is, do they care? The answer most likely is 'Well, of fucking course they do, that's why he freaked out when Jeff recognized him, it wasn't for the fucking TV ads its because he's a wanted criminal'

 

[Ward]

The question is, do they care? The answer most likely is 'Well, of fucking course they do, that's why he freaked out when Jeff recognized him, it wasn't for the fucking TV ads its because he's a wanted criminal'

Except that isnt common sense or logic that drove him to freak out, its paranoia. Man has cardial arrest, and the first thing he yells when he sees man dressed in blue is to get himself a lawyer. Man already got away with it, and now he feels exactly as he described Kim wouldve felt in the start of the season. He feels like hes being watched, followed, by both cops and crooks, making him most wanted in his mind, and not necessarily in real world.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Nigga do you forget the part where he helped facilitate the activities of what ended up becoming the biggest meth operation in the world?

I don't know what show you've been watching if you after both BB and BCS you still think that Jimmy is a good boi.

This is how Breaking Bad fans are. They root for the main characters no matter what. Walt, Jesse, Jimmy, and Kim are the heroes of the story. And Vince Gilligan obliges by having them win over everyone. Walt kills all of his enemies and gives his family millions exactly how he wanted. Jesse escapes the drug game and police and lives in the state of his dreams. Jimmy? Kim? The show will likely follow suit and give them happier endings than they deserve. Because this ending will please the fans. This show and BB are all about fan service and not taking more abstract or downer endings.

Yeah people like Hank or Howard and tons of meth addicts are in their graves. But, who cares? Your favorite characters got good endings. Others like Nacho, Lalo, Gus and Mike got what they deserved from the drug game. But the real fan favorites will get to 'win'. If BCS follows the same formula of BB then Jimmy and Kim will reunite for an ending where they have a softer ending than they deserve for their crimes and misdeeds.

I don't see how anyone can be a fan of BB and BCS and not actively root for Walt or Jimmy.

 

[skippy]

Fuck like ive seen couple of times on this thread people saying that Saul doesnt deserve to get away with what hes done, like what did he do? He hasnt killed anyone except like a spic in the desert. Chuck killed himself paranoid about his brother being the cause of all his misfortunes, Howard died because Lalo decided to teleport into his flat, and even connection to Walt can be explained by that he was basically his lawyer. Most hes done himself is ruining a life for an elderly person for like a month, destroying Howards and Chucks reputation, both of which werent even saint or angels some motherfuckers here make them out to be, and maybe some malpractice.

Did you forget the part where he has subverted the criminal justice and legal system for his entire legal life? I mean we SAW him do all sorts of shady shit for seasons and seasons of TV. Just on a purely legal basis he facilitated Lalo escaping the US court system knowing full well he was lying about who he was and he wasn't going to stay (NOT excusable by "attorney client privilege").

He helps Walt and Jesse launder money, he encourages them to cook more meth, he puts them in touch with Mike/Gus, he is directly involved with Mike cleaning up Jane's death, he directly participates in Francesca faking a Maria in the hospital call to Hank, there are at least 20 more things he does that are direct criminal actions and that is not even going into the whole RICO aspect of how all the money he touches came from cartel and drugs. Didn't he wiretap the DEA in the final s eason? He constantly betrays clients to serve Mike or Walter White.

We hold to a higher standard politicians, law enforcement, lawyers, doctors, etc because when they "break bad" they erode public confidence in our institutions.

 

[AnOminous]

Chuck killed himself paranoid about his brother being the cause of all his misfortunes, Howard died because Lalo decided to teleport into his flat, and even connection to Walt can be explained by that he was basically his lawyer.

What are you talking about? He died in Saul and Kim's apartment.

same people who bitch about Lalo teleporting to Germany now mad we had to sit through an episode of Saul planning a heist every step of the way.

They should have had a whole 12 episode arc where Lalo stood in line to buy a plane ticket, then checked in his baggage, and then sat on the plane, this part would last several one hour episodes, too. There could be a scene where he ate airplane peanuts, too, and took a dump in the airplane bathroom. That would have been more realistic than just "teleporting" there.

 

[No0neKnows]

Fuck like ive seen couple of times on this thread people saying that Saul doesnt deserve to get away with what hes done, like what did he do? He hasnt killed anyone except like a spic in the desert. Chuck killed himself paranoid about his brother being the cause of all his misfortunes, Howard died because Lalo decided to teleport into JIMMY'S flat, and even connection to Walt can be explained by that JIMMY was basically his lawyer. Most hes done himself is ruining a life for an elderly person for like a month, destroying Howards and Chucks reputation, both of which werent even saint or angels some motherfuckers here make them out to be, and maybe some malpractice.
Edit: me reatard

twenty eight, speed watchers dilate

edit--freshly baked from /bcs/

 

[Something Awful]

/bcs/ should try using his words to avoid looking like a QTard in the future.

Walt, Jesse, Jimmy, and Kim are the heroes of the story. And Vince Gilligan obliges by having them win over everyone. Walt kills all of his enemies and gives his family millions exactly how he wanted. Jesse escapes the drug game and police and lives in the state of his dreams.

Walt dies knowing his family and the rest of the world hates him for everything he's done. Jesse spent a year slaving for meth nazis, and will have to live with the guilt and trauma of getting his girlfriend killed (and killing Gale). You think those are unambigous happy endings for them, like they got everything they wanted?

 

[SCSI]

The abandonment of the flamboyant clothes is symbolic of him ditching the Saul persona for something else, though whether it will be a better or worse version of himself remains to be seen. I think that is also why the intro music cuts out early.

Jimmy probably wasn't abandoning the flashy "Saul" outfit -- odds are, he was deliberately moving them to that spot to make them easier to boost the next time he comes by, once he's ready to grab them. That's an old mall retail shoplifting trick, and one Slippin' Jimmy would definitely be familiar with.

And now with the slipup and successful salvaging of the con, Gene was given another adrenaline rush like the old days that he was so hooked on. I think it's pretty likely he'll fall off the wagon and decide to go for one last big stunt, which I still believe could be defending himself in court.

That was my take on the scene too. The adrenaline junkie whose recurring adjective through the first 2 seasons of BCS was "colorful" and who's been trapped in a world with the color literally sucked out of it, just got his first hit in a long time. The guy who can virtually never say "no" to temptation. No way he stays legit.

 

[Blacklight]

Before the return, there was a special episode of American Greed based on Better Call Saul which gave us insight into the post-Breaking Bad perception of Saul as well as being a reminder of what had happened up to then in the show because it'd been so long, even bringing in some BCS characters like the the other lawyers after the fact to sort of reflect on his career and turn to crime. He's been painted in-universe pretty much as Walt's right hand man throughout the whole ordeal, possibly even more than Jesse, and with Walt dead, he'd be the number one person the super-pissed-off feds would want to crucify to hopefully save some sort of face for how hard they were embarrassed by Walt being the BIL and friend of a DEA agent, and Gus having completely played them even harder than Walt.

What remains to be seen is if they'd actually have enough to convict him on, as I figure Saul to have known what he was doing when we saw him for the last time chronologically in the BrBa era, sanitizing his office and destroying all evidence. That's where I see some possibility for Gene to decide on one last hurrah, defending himself in court, because there might actually be less of a case against him than one might think.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hamlin didn't show up in that did he? Major tip off he wasn't going to live.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

 

[Internet War Criminal]

They cut out the part of the image where the guy on the left is prepping the bull about to mount his wife

 

[AnOminous]

Patrician Quentinposting.

Also regarding the theory we never see Kim again, Bob Odenkirk just said:

"That doesn’t address what’s gone on between these two. And there’s no way we leave the show without looking at that and taking it apart a little bit."

https://www.vanityfair.com/video/watch/fan-theories-vf-fan-theories-better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-and-rhea-seehorn

(for some reason the title in bold says S1E14 but the actual transcript released 7/25 is clearly about the latest)

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hamlin didn't show up in that did he? Major tip off he wasn't going to live.

I remember watching that and asking myself why Howard Hamlin was not in this.... When Plan and Execution I immediately thought of this, as well as a recommended YouTube video which I did not view with a title suggesting that Howard's death was a leaked rumor. It was still shocking, but not as shocking as it should have been...

As to the other comments re Kommend Jimmy being bad people, Jimmy definitely became a bad person as Saul Goodman, but I don't thi k it is reaonable to blame either of them of for Howard's death. Lalo murdered Howard, not they, and they could not have foreseen..L Without the advantage of hindsight, I felt what they were doing was mildly shitty but I was mindful of eg the scene where Kimmy berates Howard for facilitating Chuck's "fuck you from behind the grave," etc.

 

[AnOminous]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hamlin didn't show up in that did he? Major tip off he wasn't going to live.

The fact that his death doesn't get mentioned also indicates the cover story held. Mike may be shit at keeping people alive, but he's certainly top-notch at making sure their deaths are covered up.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Walt dies knowing his family and the rest of the world hates him for everything he's done. Jesse spent a year slaving for meth nazis, and will have to live with the guilt and trauma of getting his girlfriend killed (and killing Gale). You think those are unambigous happy endings for them, like they got everything they wanted?

Walt's own wife is willing to meet him and helped him launder money and approved of his drug empire. No way she hates him. Walt has fans that break into house out of morbid curiosity. He is a cult figure like Scarface. Or El Chapo or Pablo Escobar. You think everyone hated Escobar? People write letters in prison to people like Charles Manson. There are rap songs and movies about drug dealers that people watch ironically rooting for the drug dealers. The high school teacher who became the biggest meth manufacturer in the world would have ademented hoards of fans. And Walt did not care if his family liked him. He just wanted them rich. And he got it. His goal was to provide money. He even warned Hank not to rock the boat because everyone benefits and he will never win the war on drugs anyways. Walt was patterned after Scarface, a drug dealer that people put posters up in their rooms of. They both go out in a blaze of glory.

Jesse is responsible for nonstop crime in most of his life. He gets a free house from his aunt and uses it to cook meth. Instead of a life sentence or the death penalty he spends a year in captivity cooking meth. Jesse did not get his girlfriend killed. The Nazis wasted her, and it is implied just to mentally torture Jesse for fun, because they were sick. He really cares about Jane and imagines talking to her. For what he did in his life, a new life in Alaska seems like he is getting away with his life of crime, and only leaving behind a trail of dead bodies. If Jesse really cared about his crimes he would turn himself in. And write more than a letter.

 

[Seventh Star]

same people who bitch about Lalo teleporting to Germany now mad we had to sit through an episode of Saul planning a heist every step of the way.

Not me, I'm consistent with what I like. This isn't the kinda thing you can handwave as easily. By the way, that filler time with the wine homo scene could have been used for Lalo's thing. I have been thinking about it again and how the fuck did he even get to Germany while letting the cartel think he's still dead?

The Nazis wasted her, and it is implied just to mentally torture Jesse for fun, because they were sick.

Dunno what you were watching, but it was a warning for Jesse to cooperate or they'd kill the last things he cared about, Brock and Andrea.

 

[AnOminous]

I have been thinking about it again and how the fuck did he even get to Germany while letting the cartel think he's still dead?

It would require a literal superhuman to have a fake ID.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

This is how Breaking Bad fans are. They root for the main characters no matter what. Walt, Jesse, Jimmy, and Kim are the heroes of the story. And Vince Gilligan obliges by having them win over everyone. Walt kills all of his enemies and gives his family millions exactly how he wanted. Jesse escapes the drug game and police and lives in the state of his dreams. Jimmy? Kim? The show will likely follow suit and give them happier endings than they deserve. Because this ending will please the fans. This show and BB are all about fan service and not taking more abstract or downer endings.

Yeah people like Hank or Howard and tons of meth addicts are in their graves. But, who cares? Your favorite characters got good endings. Others like Nacho, Lalo, Gus and Mike got what they deserved from the drug game. But the real fan favorites will get to 'win'. If BCS follows the same formula of BB then Jimmy and Kim will reunite for an ending where they have a softer ending than they deserve for their crimes and misdeeds.

I don't see how anyone can be a fan of BB and BCS and not actively root for Walt or Jimmy.

Lest we forget that Vince is still annoyed that people rooted for Walt when he wrote Skyler as the hero

They cut out the part of the image where the guy on the left is prepping the bull about to mount his wife

Sneed McGill

 

[Something Awful]

Walt's own wife is willing to meet him and helped him launder money and approved of his drug empire. No way she hates him. Walt has fans that break into house out of morbid curiosity. He is a cult figure like Scarface. Or El Chapo or Pablo Escobar. You think everyone hated Escobar? People write letters in prison to people like Charles Manson. There are rap songs and movies about drug dealers that people watch ironically rooting for the drug dealers. The high school teacher who became the biggest meth manufacturer in the world would have ademented hoards of fans. And Walt did not care if his family liked him. He just wanted them rich. And he got it. His goal was to provide money. He even warned Hank not to rock the boat because everyone benefits and he will never win the war on drugs anyways. Walt was patterned after Scarface, a drug dealer that people put posters up in their rooms of. They both go out in a blaze of glory.

Jesse is responsible for nonstop crime in most of his life. He gets a free house from his aunt and uses it to cook meth. Instead of a life sentence or the death penalty he spends a year in captivity cooking meth. Jesse did not get his girlfriend killed. The Nazis wasted her, and it is implied just to mentally torture Jesse for fun, because they were sick. He really cares about Jane and imagines talking to her. For what he did in his life, a new life in Alaska seems like he is getting away with his life of crime, and only leaving behind a trail of dead bodies. If Jesse really cared about his crimes he would turn himself in. And write more than a letter.

Walt Jr. certainly hates Walt for getting Hank killed, and Holly probably won't be putting up any posters of her dad the meth lord either. And if you watched the show, you'll know he did want his family to like him, otherwise he wouldn't have insisted they stay together instead of keeping the children with Hank and Marie, for example.

Don't see your point about Jesse. Yes, two of his girlfriends got wasted, not directly by him, but they would still be alive if it wasn't for him. And he did leave behind a trail of bodies, including a couple of kids. And if you think Jesse isn't tortured by guilt because of that, you haven't been paying attention to his character.

I dunno, sounds like you wanted some morality play where everyone gets their due in the end according to the American justice system or maybe some universal notion of "what bad people deserve", but that's not how real life works either.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Walt's own wife is willing to meet him and helped him launder money and approved of his drug empire. No way she hates him.

wait I didnt even read this until now. Thats a complete misreading of the situation. Walt had abused his wife so much that her mind breaks and she just accepts that she has to live with her meth kingpin husband. The entire point of that fifth season is shes such an emotionally abused shell she thinks that just because he isnt doing it anymore its “okay”, and has went from telling Jesse not to sell weed to telling Walt to kill him because hes a gigantic piece of shit that gaslit her (in the real sense not the fake twitter sense) and kept breaking into her home because he refused to be apart from his family. I dont see how someone can watch Breaking Bad and come to the conclusion that BITCH WIFE was actually *too* supportive of Walt. Even Walter stans can tell shes doing it reluctantly until she becomes desensitized to Walt’s crimes after a street year of emotional abuse