Better Call Saul

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I really liked it, it does not seem to be going over well though.

 

[anti SJW]

Spoiler

Well, they were kind of singing on the prison bus. So they did have a musical number.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

I'm not sure how I feel about the end. I think I need to set with it a while.

I liked how this season was bookended with The Time Machine and how they wove it in at the end. I wonder if it was Chuck's copy that Jimmy managed to salvage from his house after the fire.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Thank fuck the colors didn't come back.

Spoiler: kill yourself speed watcher

 

[Magikoopa]

Honestly pleased they're managing to avoid some soppy simp bullshit like "SHE was what was really important to him all along!"

Well fuck me sideways, I went and jinxed it. In the end, Kim was what was really important, and he traded his freedom to get an approving nod from her. Aww!!!

Honestly not sure what I expected. On the bright side I do like that there was finally some acknowledgement that he does feel like what he did to Chuck was fucked up, and I liked the flashback scenes with Mike and Walt, and their responses to the time travel in contrast to Saul, who was always just fixated on money. In hindsight, what even was there for him when he couldn't be a lawyer anymore? What was he going to do? At least they managed to avoid the whole "Kim smiles and the color fades back into Jimmy's life finally!" thing, I suppose where they were ultimately going with that was that Jimmy's life in prison is going to pretty much be exactly the same as his life as Gene, but with a little more respect and social activity.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Saul went from breaking bad to baking bread. Bravo.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Yeah, The Sopranos this wasn't.

"Chuck. Maybe you knew my brother, Charles McGill"
*SIGN GOES BUZZZZZZZZZZ*
POTTERY

I have to say, I was really onboard until the second flashback. I was really digging it, thinking that somehow, the last few episodes were a fluke, and we were gonna hit it out of the park. Then we got to Walter and retroactively see what Vince was doing with the Mike segment:

"Turns out Mike and Walter deep down were good people all along! They had a bad day, they broke bad, but really, they just wish they could have done thing right from the beginning! They weren't the monsters that we thought they were! Except for Saul, who was always like that! (PSYCHE, HE'S GONNA REDEEM HIMSELF TOO)."

Fuck you, Vince you asshole. It's a really fucking cheap way to get out of it. It's not a redemption for Jimmy, sure he admits it in public and he gets shafted for the next 86 years (maybe out with early behavior), but he's a prison legend, he's not spending his day worried the law is gonna catch up with him... and all this for a nod and a smoke from m'lady.

The whole throwing away his recommendation didn't even make sense. They make it sound like he was trying to save Kim from getting sued in a civil case, but how would it help, exactly?


Don't get me wrong, it was definitely the best episode since the show 's real finale, Bob Odenkirk gave it his all, plenty of funny moments when negotiating, it was was nice to see Charles, Mary, etc... but if I ever rewatch that show, I'll stop watching at Fun & Games, no need for the epilogue, it just cheapens the story.

 

[Pringles Can]

Don't get me wrong, it was definitely the best episode since the show 's real finale, Bob Odenkirk gave it his all, plenty of funny moments when negotiating, it was was nice to see Charles, Mary, etc... but if I ever rewatch that show, I'll stop watching at Fun & Games, no need for the epilogue, it just cheapens the story.

Even though I liked the ending, I have to agree with this part a ton. The show ended at fun and games. That was the full arc for this show, and the epilogue was unneeded. If I recommend this show to anyone, I'll probably just tell them to stop at fun and games.

 

[Magikoopa]

"Turns out Mike and Walter deep down were good people all along! They had a bad day, they broke bad, but really, they just wish they could have done thing right from the beginning! They weren't the monsters that we thought they were! Except for Saul, who was always like that! (PSYCHE, HE'S GONNA REDEEMS HIMSELF TOO)."

I dont really think Jimmy was being genuine in his conversations with Mike and Walt, or that he really was "always like that". I think the point of the Chuck flashback was to reveal, for the other two flashbacks, that the moment he was always thinking about going back to, both in the BCS era with Mike and the late BrBa era with Walt, was that conversation with Chuck. The bit about the two of them always having the same conversation, where Jimmy stonewalls Chuck about changing paths in life, that Jimmy wishes he'd actually seen it through and talked about it, but he wasn't ready to talk about it with Chuck, wasn't ready when Mike was thinking about taking a different path, and wasn't ready with Walt when he did the same. But ultimately, Mike, Walt, and Saul all wanted the exact same thing, Saul was just the last to consciously realize it, or admit it.

I still think it's retarded that Kim is the one who finally managed to open his eyes just by sitting there, but whatever I guess. I suppose it was never going to be that he walks free, Jesse already got that privilege

 

[Punchoboe]

"Turns out Mike and Walter deep down were good people all along! They had a bad day, they broke bad, but really, they just wish they could have done thing right from the beginning! They weren't the monsters that we thought they were! Except for Saul, who was always like that! (PSYCHE, HE'S GONNA REDEEM HIMSELF TOO)."

Mike doesn't really regret the criminal lifestyle. Yet he had already walked away once from it all and signed up to become a hitman. He feels bad that his son died and mistakenly thought drug money would heal the wound.

Walter only regrets that he didn't run Elliott Schwartz out of the Grey Matter startup, so he could have billions and Gretchen, the woman he actually loved.

 

[TheHarbinger]

God what a stupid ending

The last four episodes torpedoed this show into nothing. Breaking Bad at least left definitive endings. Even with Jesse you can assume in BB, without watching El Camino, that he escapes and he goes to Alaska. And you can assume in BB, without watching BCS, that Saul goes to another place and lives a quiet life possibly even in Omaha managing a Cinnabon.

This might not be a Game of Thrones level implosion. But this ending is just mediocre and flat. It is not even bad necessarily. Just dumb. And weak narratively. Out with a whimper. The Shield ended with a guy sitting at his desk essentially but was incredible for what it meant beyond a man rising from his desk at the sounds of sirens. Sopranos ended with the family eating at the diner yet everything around them is obsessed over like the Zapruder film by fans to this day.

This ending? Jimmy basically taking responsibility for the entire Fring/Heisenberg cartel so that Kim can be free? I know they wanted it like Walt freeing Jesse and dying in the process. So Jimmy frees Kim and gets jail in the process. But the way that the did it was uninspired.

Prisoners chanting Better Call Saul on the bus shows that him taking a managing job in the front facing store of the mall was a worse decision than even taking Walt on as a client. He is literally world famous to the point where everyone knows him. Yet does not keep a low profile following Walt's crazy Nazi shootout. Just embarrassing writing really.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I dont really think Jimmy was being genuine in his conversations with Mike and Walt, or that he really was "always like that". I think the point of the Chuck flashback was to reveal, for the other two flashbacks, that the moment he was always thinking about going back to, both in the BCS era with Mike and the late BrBa era with Walt, was that conversation with Chuck.

Well no, obviously, but that's what the first two flashbacks want to make you believe. 'Hey, Mike is clearly better than Saul, if he could he would take it all back!'. 'Hey, even WALTER is better than Saul, he would also take it all back!'

Then comes the third flashback designed to make you go OOH THATS THE POTTERY MACHINE THAT STANDS IN FOR REGRETS JIMMY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IN CONJUNCTION OF CHUCK'S TALK ABOUT CHANGING HIS WAYS IT EXPLAINS WHY HE'S GONNA THROW AWAY HIS DEAL!! IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF THE SUBTLE POTTERY.

It was about as subtle as an indian gangrape.

 

[veeeeeeeee]

BETTER
[stomp]
CALL
[stomp]
SAUL
[stomp stomp]

idk it was okay. It would've been pretty entertaining if he just evilmaxxed it up and really threw Kim/Walter/et ced under the bus, but this feels like the morally "right" ending.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Mike doesn't really regret the criminal lifestyle. Yet he had already walked away once from it all and signed up to become a hitman. He feels bad that his son died and mistakenly thought drug money would heal the wound.

No, first he goes to say 'Stop the death of my son' but then he goes 'Stop the whole chain of events that led to the death of my son', meaning he would have stayed a cop and kept his nose clean and made sure his son did too.

Walt is also clearly saying that if he had stayed with his company, once he got sick with cancer he would have had the money to get the best medical care he could. he never would have had to do any of that and he could have kept being a chemist and doing what he wants legally.

The last four episodes torpedoed this show into nothing.

Let's not go to far. See it as a useless epilogue, the same way El Camino was to Breaking Bad. You can entirely skip it and ignore it, and the real finales of both are still intact. (In BCS's case, said finale being Fun & Games)

This might not be a Game of Thrones level implosion. But this ending is just mediocre and flat. It is not even bad necessarily. Just dumb. And weak narratively. Out with a whimper. The Shield ended with a guy sitting at his desk essentially but was incredible for what it meant beyond a man rising from his desk at the sounds of sirens. Sopranos ended with the family eating at the diner yet everything around them is obsessed over like the Zapruder film by fans to this day.

You're all over the place. GoT is one of the worst endings of all time, and both The Sopranos and The Shield had some of the best finales of all time, we're talking maybe 10 top.

This episode doesn't deserve to be spoken alongside any of them. It was just... meh.

Oh and speaking of the gay pottery, Saul going from managing a cinnabon to making buns in prison.

BRA-VO.

 

[Magikoopa]

Well no, obviously, but that's what the first two flashbacks want to make you believe. 'Hey, Mike is clearly better than Saul, if he could he would take it all back!'. 'Hey, even WALTER is better than Saul, he would also take it all back!'

Then comes the third flashback designed to make you go OOH THATS THE POTTERY MACHINE THAT STANDS IN FOR REGRETS JIMMY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IN CONJUNCTION OF CHUCK'S TALK ABOUT CHANGING HIS WAYS IT EXPLAINS WHY HE'S GONNA THROW AWAY HIS DEAL!! IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF THE SUBTLE POTTERY.

It was about as subtle as an indian gangrape.

Why do people like you delude yourself into thinking the show is making itself out to be some machiavellian masterpiece of subtlety and intrigue, just to get pissed and start screeching about it in all caps in the internet when it's not? It wasn't being subtle, it literally zoomed right in on the title of the fucking book at the end of the flashback. It was a simple reveal, the other shoe dropping that gave the first two flashbacks a purpose, that's it

 

[Pringles Can]

Oh and speaking of the gay pottery, Saul going from managing a cinnabon to making buns in prison.

BRA-VO.

At the very least we can be happy knowing 2 things.

After tonight AMC+ will have no subscribers again, and cinebon will go back to being the second most empty place in a mall next to the mall pizza place. The natural order of things is finally restored.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

the show is making itself out to be some machiavellian masterpiece of subtlety and intrigue

Because that's literally how it's being treated by the whole world.

Go back to reddit and see what they have to say.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

Fuck you, Vince you asshole. It's a really fucking cheap way to get out of it. It's not a redemption for Jimmy, sure he admits it in public and he gets shafted for the next 86 years (maybe out with early behavior), but he's a prison legend, he's not spending his day worried the law is gonna catch up with him... and all this for a nod and a smoke from m'lady

Yeah, there was no comeuppance. It was the happiest possible ending Saul could have had from the choices that led him to where he was.

O0o0o0o but Kim could get sued in civil court. BFD who cares. She too had a "happy" end.

They're better writers than this.

 

[Nobunaga]

No, first he goes to say 'Stop the death of my son' but then he goes 'Stop the whole chain of events that led to the death of my son', meaning he would have stayed a cop and kept his nose clean and made sure his son did too.

Walt is also clearly saying that if he had stayed with his company, once he got sick with cancer he would have had the money to get the best medical care he could. he never would have had to do any of that and he could have kept being a chemist and doing what he wants legally.



Let's not go to far. See it as a useless epilogue, the same way El Camino was to Breaking Bad. You can entirely skip it and ignore it, and the real finales of both are still intact. (In BCS's case, said finale being Fun & Games)


You're all over the place. GoT is one of the worst endings of all time, and both The Sopranos and The Shield had some of the best finales of all time, we're talking maybe 10 top.

This episode doesn't deserve to be spoken alongside any of them. It was just... meh.

Sopranos ending was dogshit lmfao, complete nothing burger made so that redditors think they are deep by doing the writers job.
The cut ending with tony and camella becoming informants was better.

 

[murph]

I don't get the prisoners chanting "Better Call Saul", are we getting a remake of Shawshank Redemption?

Didn't mind the ending. Kim looked really beautiful in a film noir way in those shadowy last scenes. I don't believe "Jimmy" lives for a second.

I really thought Saul was going to die, and I lost ten dollars on this ending, but I'm not going to pitch a fit about it.

Overall, I enjoyed this series very much and I'll miss having a reason to look forward to Monday nights until something better comes along.