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That would be fine, but they were in a busy parking lot with the police probably coming, so it didn't really make sense to take your time in that situation.
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I haven’t watched Better Call Saul yet(I’ll have to get around to it) but I did finish Breaking Bad recently.
One thing, Hank did was call Marie and brag when he had Walt in custody. He didn’t immediately call for back up to search for the money, or secure the area.
I realize he didn’t know that five to seven guys with automatic rifles were on the way, but it was a massive lapse in judgement.
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based, this a BB discussion thread now.
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So you agree, Hank was a dumbass. (BCS wouldn't give you any more context for this particular incident btw.)
I will however give more context, Hank had already first-hand seen what drug lords do when the feds are onto them, and it gave him massive ptsd (I'm of course talking about what happened to Tortuga) Hank absolutely should have called for backup while going after Walt. He had no possible way of knowing that Walt was a way shittier drug lord than the Salamancas were... And even as shitty as Walt was, he still managed to (accidentally... which just proves my point even more) call in more than enough backup to kill Hank and Gomey.
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No, if there is no logical connection between an action and consequences then there is no responsibility. Even further, even if there is a logical connection but it wasn't apparent for the person at the time then it's also not his fault (ie, if you tell me to press a button and then reveal to me afterwards that pushing it blew up an orphanage).
If you go with the opposite philosophy than the subject of personal blame becomes pointless since you can always pass the blame down the line. The only person at fault is the father who raised a drug abusing bitch and was negligent at his job.
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I think Hank still thought that Walt was that nerdy loser pushover he dismissed earlier in the series. He had learned what Walt was capable of and Jesse confessed to everything he was involved in, but he probably still didn’t realize Walt potentially had people with guns acting on his behalf. Or he didn’t connect the dots and thought that once Walt was in hand cuffs it was over. After all, what could a dying nerd possibly do?
Not to mention, Hank was always something of a braggart. Taking pictures with corpses or after successful raids. He’s ASAC Schrader DEA agent and the criminals he usually arrests are dumb grunts. So what’s the concern?
Should be noted he doesn’t even read Walt his rights immediately, but brags that he tricked him, and then tries to get Walt to give up the money. Walt doesn’t and Hank continues swaggering, because he nailed the SOB. Both to Walt and Marie on the phone.
Hank also has an ego, and in this case-bragging and wasting time cost him his life.
(part of this problem was also he knew he fucked up-once he brought in Walt, the sheer embarrassment of his brother in law being heisenberg would end his career-so he felt he had to be the one to bring him in at least).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_Service_(TV_series)
She was the lead in one of the many forgotten BBC3 shows as well
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The Walt/Jane dynamic is simpler than you people are saying.
If I could press one button and my best friend would die, or I could press a second button and some random evil bitch would die- but her dying would indirectly cause a bunch of people who I don't even know to also die. I'd press the second button in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even feel that bad about it in the context that Walt had... He couldn't possibly have predicted what effect Jane's death would have had. And he absolutely still did the correct thing.
Even if Walt *had* saved Jane, she still probably would have died eventually. (I've seen people say that Walt knocked Jane over so it's his fault that she died. That's bullshit. If that was enough to kill her, then Jessie turning over in his sleep could have been enough to kill her too.)
Also, Walt never told Jessie or Jane to do heroin.
If I could press one button and my best friend would die, or I could press a second button and some random evil bitch would die- but her dying would indirectly cause a bunch of people who I don't even know to also die. I'd press the second button in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even feel that bad about it in the context that Walt had... He couldn't possibly have predicted what effect Jane's death would have had. And he absolutely still did the correct thing.
Even if Walt *had* saved Jane, she still probably would have died eventually. (I've seen people say that Walt knocked Jane over so it's his fault that she died. That's bullshit. If that was enough to kill her, then Jessie turning over in his sleep could have been enough to kill her too.)
Also, Walt never told Jessie or Jane to do heroin.
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We did get bob odenkirks hank hill ass in season six at least
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There is no excusing Hank. Either the writers were retarded or Hank was deliberately written as being a complete idiot. Hank knows that Walt has killed people on his own. Knows that Walt blew up Gus Fring and is willing to assassinate people in an old folk's home with potential collateral. Knows that Walt controls gangs that have access to the entire prison system and are organized. Knows that Walt likely knew that the Twins were going to kill Hank and either let it happen or sent that warning call and could have killed Hank in the past. Hank knows that Walt's fugue state lead Hank to almost getting killed by Tuco and Walt lied about it to his face.
Hank is an imbecile who does not learn. He sees a cartel informant get beheaded and then a bunch of DEA agents blown up. Then heads into the desert......ALONE.....with no backup. Against the biggest psycho he has ever faced. Heisenberg. Hank knew that Walt was not a nerd anymore. He was a serial killer. And much smarter than Hank.
Hank had seen what happens in the desert with the cartel multiple times. Going in without backup was suicidal.
That was before Hank saw a severed head explode. And before the Twins almost killed him. And before he killed Tuco. After that he mellowed out quite a bit. Having PTSD even and putting on a face to the public. Getting in bar fights. And this is all after Hank knew that Gus was a cartel head hiding in plain sight just like Walt was. Hank's arrests after that were people like lawyers and business heads. He was working with the CIA to gain information on Madrigal. No longer doing grunt work. They were closing in on people like Mike, Saul, Lydia, Jesse, and others.
And Gomez? Why does he not call for backup? Does he not fear for his life as well? And he just wants to head into the desert against the biggest drug dealer in ABQ history? Without telling a single DEA agent even over the radio? Or calling for a patrol car?
Career or life? Which one did Hank value more? Gomez? They probably went by dozens of cop cars on their way to the desert. They could have had backup easily. The writers simply wanted Walt to be able to escape and Hank's death to be secret. So they had to force the plot by making characters act irrationally.
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After rewatching the finale, the scene where Huell swallowed Kim whole grew on me. It was done tastefully and was a good end to a great character.
Bravo Vince, you did it again.
Bravo Vince, you did it again.
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I enjoyed the recent finale for what it was. I don't begrudge anyone who felt differently, and I can see why some would prefer that the series ended at 'Fun and Games' (much like some believe 'Ozymandias' is the true ending to Breaking Bad, rather than 'Felina'). I just don't understand saying that it was horrible and on par with the finales for Lost and Game Of Thrones. Those shows' endings were such unmitigated trainwrecks that everyone was talking about them and they irreparably damaged both the reputation of the series and the creators involved. Whatever quibbles one may have with the finale of Better Call Saul, there hasn't been nearly the same amount of backlash towards it as those other shows.
Maybe I'm just soft, but to me, the ending made total sense when you look the series as a love story between Jimmy and Kim. They're two people who are trapped in a toxic co-dependent relationship but who nevertheless have a sincere and abiding affection for each other. The way I see it, Jimmy turned down the seven-year deal because he figured that he would never be able to live a truly satisfying life when he got out. He clearly hated living in exile as Gene the Cinnabon manager in Omaha, because that's not who he really is, and the final few episodes illustrated how he couldn't help himself getting roped into various criminal schemes as a means to liven up his dreadfully dull life and, in my opinion, he deep down wanted to get caught so that his self-imposed exile would be brought to an end. And if he got through the seven-year sentence like he originally planned, he may have gotten to live as a free man and found fame as Heisenberg's former lawyer, but he wouldn't have the respect of the person he cares about more than anything in the world. So by coming clean and going to prison for 86 years, even though it seems like the worse outcome on the face of it, allows him to come clean to the woman he loves and give him a chance to see her one last time. Is it irrational? Sure, but people do all sorts of irrational things for the sake of love.
Bob Odenkirk had an interesting take on the finale that I'm inclined to agree with. When asked about what happens in the future, he said this:
When it comes down to it, I think Jimmy would rather be in prison for life with a clean conscience and the respect of the woman he loves than be living free with a guilty conscience and never getting to see Kim again. He knows that he can't help but go back to his old Slippin' Jimmy ways, and at least in prison, he can be with people who think highly of him and he can put his lawyering skills to use helping them with their problems.
So yeah, it was a satisfying ending for me, and unless AMC decides to milk this series ever more (which I hope that they don't), a satisfying ending to the Breaking Bad universe.
EDIT: I’m also surprised that so many here have criticized the finale for being “predictable”. Again, totally entitled to that opinion, but I thought you guys hated subverting expectations.
Maybe I'm just soft, but to me, the ending made total sense when you look the series as a love story between Jimmy and Kim. They're two people who are trapped in a toxic co-dependent relationship but who nevertheless have a sincere and abiding affection for each other. The way I see it, Jimmy turned down the seven-year deal because he figured that he would never be able to live a truly satisfying life when he got out. He clearly hated living in exile as Gene the Cinnabon manager in Omaha, because that's not who he really is, and the final few episodes illustrated how he couldn't help himself getting roped into various criminal schemes as a means to liven up his dreadfully dull life and, in my opinion, he deep down wanted to get caught so that his self-imposed exile would be brought to an end. And if he got through the seven-year sentence like he originally planned, he may have gotten to live as a free man and found fame as Heisenberg's former lawyer, but he wouldn't have the respect of the person he cares about more than anything in the world. So by coming clean and going to prison for 86 years, even though it seems like the worse outcome on the face of it, allows him to come clean to the woman he loves and give him a chance to see her one last time. Is it irrational? Sure, but people do all sorts of irrational things for the sake of love.
Bob Odenkirk had an interesting take on the finale that I'm inclined to agree with. When asked about what happens in the future, he said this:
When it comes down to it, I think Jimmy would rather be in prison for life with a clean conscience and the respect of the woman he loves than be living free with a guilty conscience and never getting to see Kim again. He knows that he can't help but go back to his old Slippin' Jimmy ways, and at least in prison, he can be with people who think highly of him and he can put his lawyering skills to use helping them with their problems.
So yeah, it was a satisfying ending for me, and unless AMC decides to milk this series ever more (which I hope that they don't), a satisfying ending to the Breaking Bad universe.
EDIT: I’m also surprised that so many here have criticized the finale for being “predictable”. Again, totally entitled to that opinion, but I thought you guys hated subverting expectations.
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i didnt mind the really good, tastefully done nacho rape scene either. it was well shot and acted and didnt feel exploitative
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Vince Gilligan talking to Michael Mando on the set of Season 6 of Better Call Saul:
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It was also the first mistake on that level that he made because, again, he just had to be The Man. This is how Gus died. This is how Mike died. This is how Hank himself died. This is how Saul fucked himself over for life.
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It made narrative sense for Gus to do that to Nacho, he’s never been a good boss as is.
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Could have done without Chuck's 15 minute jazz odyssey though.
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Everyone knew Walt had an M60 before the finale. It was predictable that he would literally use the machine gun for some huge moment the second that the premier showed it in his trunk. The Nazis gunned down Hank against Walt's orders. So Walt will gun them down in revenge. Almost everyone predicted that Walt would gun down the Nazis and Jesse would survive because he would be chained in the underground cell. The gun was shown. It was a machine gun. It was used in the typical machine gun fashion. To shoot a lot of bullets into a lot of people.
Subverting expectations would have been Walt getting pulled over for a busted taillight and then getting arrested for having an M60 in his trunk. And that being the end of the show. Or if Walt crashed his car in the desert and died of cancer halfway to ABQ or whatever. Or if Walt pressed the button for the M60 and it jammed after the first round and the Nazis beat him to death on the spot.
You know like that one show with the shit ending? Where they kept showing these diamonds over and over again? And cutting diamond related promos with the main character? And having music songs themed around diamonds? Only for the main character to stupidly drop the diamonds in a dumpster instead of handling them like a normal person would have. Like that level of subverting expectations.
An unexpected ending is fine. Saul betraying Kim. Or Kim betraying Saul would have been fine and in character for both of them. Saul killing himself like Chuck would have been shocking for the BB universe but fine. Saul simping for Kim and taking ten times the punishment the FBI recommended for him was ridiculous. Kim magically getting off the hook was also absurd when she was an accessory after the fact for multiple murders. The FBI pins the entire Salamanca and Fring and Heisenberg cartels on a goofy lawyer operating out of a shopping center. Saul is literally charged with Hank's death and Gomez's deaths like he was pulling the triggers.
The ending was absurd on so many levels. Saul should have tied Marion up and taken her life monitor from her. Fled with his diamonds and other money from his stolen identities. And maybe not told people he was "Saul Goodman" two weeks into his new identity like a moron. The fact that he allows her to basically call 911 while he just stands there like a complete idiot was farcical. And Saul had already used the disappearing service once so he was practiced. And he saw Jesse screw it up as well and knew to handle things safely.
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All these reasons for why Gale needs to die, and yet no one mentions the worse sin:
A bunch of cds outside of their cases, all piled up on of each other and he leaves his cellphone to buzz on top of them.
A bunch of cds outside of their cases, all piled up on of each other and he leaves his cellphone to buzz on top of them.