Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods - Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."


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Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods

Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."​

On Tuesday, the Artist Rights Alliance (ARA) announced an open letter critical of AI signed by over 200 musical artists, including Pearl Jam, Nicki Minaj, Billie Eilish, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Costello, and the estate of Frank Sinatra. In the letter, the artists call on AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to stop using AI to "infringe upon and devalue the rights of human artists." A tweet from the ARA added that AI poses an "existential threat" to their art.

Visual artists began protesting the advent of generative AI after the rise of the first mainstream AI image generators in 2022, and considering that generative AI research has since been undertaken for other forms of creative media, we have seen that protest extend to professionals in other creative domains, such as writers, actors, filmmakers—and now musicians.

"When used irresponsibly, AI poses enormous threats to our ability to protect our privacy, our identities, our music and our livelihoods," the open letter states. It alleges that some of the "biggest and most powerful" companies (unnamed in the letter) are using the work of artists without permission to train AI models, with the aim of replacing human artists with AI-created content.

In January, Billboard reported that AI research taking place at Google DeepMind had trained an unnamed music-generating AI on a large dataset of copyrighted music without seeking artist permission. That report may have been referring to Google's Lyria, an AI-generation model announced in November that the company positioned as a tool for enhancing human creativity. The tech has since powered musical experiments from YouTube.

We've previously covered AI music generators that seemed fairly primitive throughout 2022 and 2023, such as Riffusion, Google's MusicLM, and Stability AI's Stable Audio. We've also covered open source musical voice-cloning technology that is frequently used to make musical parodies online. While we have yet to see an AI model that can generate perfect, fully composed high-quality music on demand, the quality of outputs from music synthesis models has been steadily improving over time.

In considering AI's potential impact on music, it's instructive to remember historical instances where tech innovations initially sparked concern among artists. For instance, the introduction of synthesizers in the 1960s and 1970s and the advent of digital sampling in the 1980s both faced scrutiny and fear from parts of the music community, but the music industry eventually adjusted.

While we've seen fear of the unknown related to AI going around quite a bit for the past year, it's possible that AI tools will be integrated into the music production process like any other music production tool or technique that came before. It's also possible that even if that kind of integration comes to pass, some artists will still get hurt along the way—and the ARA wants to speak out about it before the technology progresses further.

“Race to the bottom”​


The Artists Rights Alliance is a nonprofit advocacy group that describes itself as an "alliance of working musicians, performers, and songwriters fighting for a healthy creative economy and fair treatment for all creators in the digital world."

The signers of the ARA's open letter say they acknowledge the potential of AI to advance human creativity when used responsibly, but they also claim that replacing artists with generative AI would "substantially dilute the royalty pool" paid out to artists, which could be "catastrophic" for many working musicians, artists, and songwriters who are trying to make ends meet.

In the letter, the artists say that unchecked AI will set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of their work and prevent them from being fairly compensated. "This assault on human creativity must be stopped," they write. "We must protect against the predatory use of AI to steal professional artist' voices and likenesses, violate creators' rights, and destroy the music ecosystem."

The emphasis on the word "human" in the letter is notable ("human artist" was used twice and "human creativity" and "human artistry" are used once, each) because it suggests the clear distinction they are drawing between the work of human artists and the output of AI systems. It implies recognition that we've entered a new era where not all creative output is made by people.

The letter concludes with a call to action, urging all AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to pledge not to develop or deploy AI music-generation technology, content, or tools that undermine or replace the human artistry of songwriters and artists or deny them fair compensation for their work.

While it's unclear whether companies will meet those demands, so far, protests from visual artists have not stopped development of ever-more advanced image-synthesis models. On Threads, frequent AI industry commentator Dare Obasanjo wrote, "Unfortunately this will be as effective as writing an open letter to stop the sun from rising tomorrow."
 
Pearl jam are literally the namesakes of what I've termed "pearl jam syndrome" where you make a great album and coast off it till your sales drop off and you actually have to stop phoning it in for one album. See ten, Vs and lightning bolt compared to rest of the slop they made, and dark matter looks to be the same again

If AI can replace you as a fucking musician, then you fucking deserve it

I'll be happy the day the whole industry of entertainment is burnt to the ground and people are playing sports, making films, making music and writing books because they passionately believe in it and if they make a paycheck well that's a bonus

Any "artist" complaining about AI is basically WAH WAH machines can sell out harder than I can


Bonus points for adding Billie eilish onto your letter whose entire career is aping generative ai by adding low effort vocals onto lowfi tracks like YouTube study playlists have been doing for the better part of a decade, whilst complaining that people like her big tiddies when it's the only thing machines can't do better

Show me an an AI that can duplicate a live l7 or pink floyd show please
 
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We're ignoring the other losses that come when ai takes over an industry:

- You won't need to rent out studio space to record music. This means these music studios will get shut down, and people will be out of a job.

- You won't need to hire musicians to play the instruments. This means musicians will be out of a job, even if they're really good. "Just play better!" won't matter.

- You won't need to hire a mixer. Again, there goes another occupation.

- Hell, you probably won't even need to hire a singer for vocals.

Etc...

Basically, all the other industries that are indirectly tied to these jobs that ai outpaces will be lost too. What then? "Learn to code" is just a meme, when you have a bunch of people unable to find jobs because companies prefer to use ai, it's going to become a huge issue.

Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy and change the creative landscape.
Oh no people will have to do art and music for just the sake of it and can’t make money from it in my nightmarish Star Trek future god no why
 
Eventually the machine gets too good. That’s the whole thing with automation. It’s not that people can’t compete, it’s that eventually it won’t be worth it to do so even if you can.

Because the AI can do in a second what takes you 10 minutes and there is not any way you can make up the difference in speed due to what AI is.

You work harder? By doing so you’ve just improved the AI. How long can you keep that up for?
Demand for handcrafts will always exist, i've fucked around with and seen many AI works and so far there's always *something* that gives it away as prompt-generated unless an actual artist has polished it enough to pass it as their own piece, at which point, i see it as no different than any other tool you have available digitally.

To this day i havent seen a single AI generated piece, be it art or music, that can pass as "authentic" straight out of the prompts, and even *if* we get to that point, people will still appreciate and buy works made by human hands.

Then again, i'm speaking as an aspiring traditional artist. I can see how a digital artist could see things differently but that's out of my scope. All i know is that if the jump from pencils to tablets didnt kill trad art, neither will AI
 
AI can't make truly original work.


There are crazier ones that look like the alien insides of bird bones.
Generative AI can create amazing designs that take on an organic nature as they iterate through hundreds of thousands of rounds of evolution and optimization.


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That's a load bearing engine block, optimized using a generative design algoritm
 
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It can make derivatives, mash things together, and it may even create something really impressive because it involves combining things you would have never thought could be combined, but it can't make something totally new, and it may never.
I can't wait for flamenco and sitars to be in the same song outside of bad jam sessions
 
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There is nothing stopping an AI from potential for original work. It basically uses a similar process to what we use to synthesize information and then remix it into new-ish forms. Consider how animals craft their output, especially modernly. We all operate on input from limited sources - limited by our weak, slow, tiny brains, and limited by our cultural/govt. boundaries - and then mash it up and spit it back out. An AI machine's limitations are plentiful, but not when it comes to general information handling. Its source for 'inspiration' will be unlimited and novel in ways that no animal could have came up with.

I think its the opposite, it will be capable for far greater originality, due to it being able to juggle an unlimited amount of variables to craft its output. Animals are the ones limited in this.
An actual ai for sure will be able to create original work, but I think he was referring to llms, which iterate on their source material. Iteration can advance to the state it's effectively original though, which we are beginning to see with today's llms, so it's a semantics argument really.
Eventually the machine gets too good. That’s the whole thing with automation. It’s not that people can’t compete, it’s that eventually it won’t be worth it to do so even if you can.

Because the AI can do in a second what takes you 10 minutes and there is not any way you can make up the difference in speed due to what AI is.

You work harder? By doing so you’ve just improved the AI. How long can you keep that up for?
The value of art is self expression. You should do it because you want to, because you have passion for it, not because you want to make money.
We're ignoring the other losses that come when ai takes over an industry:

- You won't need to rent out studio space to record music. This means these music studios will get shut down, and people will be out of a job.

- You won't need to hire musicians to play the instruments. This means musicians will be out of a job, even if they're really good. "Just play better!" won't matter.

- You won't need to hire a mixer. Again, there goes another occupation.

- Hell, you probably won't even need to hire a singer for vocals.

Etc...

Basically, all the other industries that are indirectly tied to these jobs that ai outpaces will be lost too. What then? "Learn to code" is just a meme, when you have a bunch of people unable to find jobs because companies prefer to use ai, it's going to become a huge issue.

Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy and change the creative landscape.
No, you are coping. Nobody said ai isn't going to completely change the economy and creative landscape, how many people in this thread have to post "good" before you get the point? Nobody is entitled to make millions for a record label, nobody is entitled to become internationally famous, nobody is even entitled to make an easy living at all. Industries go obsolete all the time, hamstringing technology to keep recording studios open is fucking retarded.
 
Vinny Vinesauce had discussion about this shit in 2019. Pain + Creation = Art. Until we can impart machines with the human element, souls, their work will never be as good as human work.

- You won't need to rent out studio space to record music. This means these music studios will get shut down, and people will be out of a job.
- You won't need to hire musicians to play the instruments. This means musicians will be out of a job, even if they're really good. "Just play better!" won't matter.
- You won't need to hire a mixer. Again, there goes another occupation.
- Hell, you probably won't even need to hire a singer for vocals.
Even without AI, that's all been happening since 2010. What used to cost thousands of dollars can be done for like $2k with some pirate VSTs and synth programs. Just need a good mic, an interface for it, a DAW, a midi keyboard. Pirate a vocaloid software to get Miku to sing on it. Or just make instrumental music.
 
No, you are coping. Nobody said ai isn't going to completely change the economy and creative landscape, how many people in this thread have to post "good" before you get the point? Nobody is entitled to make millions for a record label, nobody is entitled to become internationally famous, nobody is even entitled to make an easy living at all. Industries go obsolete all the time, hamstringing technology to keep recording studios open is fucking retarded.
I don't care about people like Billie Eilish losing money for their lame music. If ai is available to everyone equally then I could see the argument to be made of "just make better music" cope, but there is zero evidence to believe that ai will be available equally, so all you'll have is what we already have: a few people in charge making mostly sanitized crap and who more or less decide what people get to hear. It will just be cranked up to 100 because now they can churn out a bunch of music in a short amount of time, copyright it, and then sue anyone that makes music that sounds like theirs. It won't matter if you make good music if people won't be able to hear it.

At any rate, I'm not suggesting we do whatever Billie Eillish is suggesting, because the truth is, there's no way to stop ai at this point, regulations won't stop ai from getting better and outpacing humans. I'm just saying, people who keep acting like ai is only going to disrupt lazy and entitled singers like Billie are coping. If anything, I expect Billie and her cohorts to be just fine, everyone else is fucked.
 
Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy
It's only going to fuck over the fields which aren't actually the producers. Farmers, industrial workers, construction workers, etc. will be fine and those are the true backbone of our economy. Art isn't economically productive, nor are most of the jobs related to it, so losing them will be a negligible loss in the long term.
 
It's only going to fuck over the fields which aren't actually the producers. Farmers, industrial workers, construction workers, etc. will be fine and those are the true backbone of our economy. Art isn't economically productive, nor are most of the jobs related to it, so losing them will be a negligible loss in the long term.
I used to think that farmers and other labor related jobs were safe. But I attended an agricultural expo recently and they had a lot of examples of drones and ai taking over farm jobs. So idk, I think it's only a matter of time before all fields are overtaken and there will be few human jobs that people will have to fight for.
 
I hope everyone who makes a living off of "creativity" starves to death because they are the whiniest faggots on earth. Real passion is when you've worked 60 hours a week at the iPhone factory for your two bowls of rice a day and still come home and make music. It's not the path of least resistance to the most amount of money possible like every "creative" treats it these days.
 
I read the whole article but still don't understand why there's a picture of actresses Florence Pugh and Zendaya on a piece about the music industry... unless we're about to get some absolutely FIRE-ASS new AI nudes.
 
You don’t have to rent studio space to record music as an amateur musician in 2024. There is consumer level equipment that allows you to get good production quality for a few hundred to a few thousand bucks depending on who you are.

All of these jobs were fucked anyways for anyone not signed to a major label. Mid size to large size bands are renting studio space and having their albums produced but Pro Tools and cheap gear have made “low production quality” a thing of the past. A very charming part of it I may add.
It won't matter if you make good music if people won't be able to hear it.
Yes people are lazy. Why do you think the shit that is on the radio is popular? Most people don’t have the time, passion, or desire to seek out decent music. This goes for other forms of media too. The sheep will consume the slop the shepherd presents.
 
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Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy and change the creative landscape.
The problem is that current AI "victims" are bottom-dwellers like people who write SEO shit for websites (and make the Internet worse), or voice actors who have the ability and range of a dollar store water pistol.
 
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