Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

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It's HK-47 said:
While there are specific lines that should not be crossed, there is still such a thing as enticement, escalation, and provocation, and too many people in that thread were building up to an inevitability. The fact that the specific post in question wasn't from an A&H regular is almost moot because one of them was bound to take a step too far, eventually. Just because nothing has happened to those users yet doesn't mean that nothing's going to happen in the future as a result of how closely they were walking to the line. That's not an indication either way, I genuinely mean that I don't know if something will happen.

There doesn't need to be a broad-sweeping purge to clean out the entire sub-forum and there doesn't need to be a massive lockdown on the sorts of topics that can be discussed, because there is actually an awful lot of middle-ground between becoming Stormfront and becoming Tumblr. There only needs to be a targeted response to the select few users who contribute little more than vitriol to every single discussion that they become a part of. The crux of the Farms is to have fun, and a lot of these people aren't having fun anymore. If someone isn't having fun, they don't need to be here.

If anyone thinks they know who I'm talking about, you probably don't.

A&H is clearly my favorite sub-forum so I wear my bias on my sleeves, but I am more than willing to admit that the Farms is not a democracy, it is not our own, personal playground, and access to it is not an inalienable right. In that same regard, criticism of the user-base in A&H is not a personal attack, though regulars from the sub-forum often take it as one. This is not helped by the fact that it's often framed as one, but it should not be difficult to admit that A&H has--much like every other sub-forum on this site--a small collection of users that ultimately contribute nothing and use it as little more than an extension of whatever community they came from prior to being here.

There's probably a painfully ironic moral in there somewhere about refugees diluting and destroying the community that they migrate to, because they completely refuse to integrate in any meaningful way. I know what's going to happen to those sorts of posts and the users that make them moving forwards, but at the moment I'm really not sure if any of it is going to be applied retroactively.

I think that some of the reactions in this thread have been more hyperbolic than they really need to be, but I can also admit that over the past month especially, some of the users in A&H have become abnormally twitchy. Even if I take their concerns to an almost absurd extreme and I accept that this election was completely stolen, the system is corrupt from top-to-bottom and we're soon to be under the rule of the Communist overlords, I still have to ask: Is the Farms really the appropriate staging area for this? Do you really expect Null to mantle the responsibility for your attempts to duct tape an armed revolution together? Is this perhaps not a fairly ridiculous place to pretend you're Robespierre?
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I just wanted to laugh at the silly flappy man doing his flappy dance with no pants on
 
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I'm sure this has already been said but I'm not reading 47 pages of sperging.

I don't think people understand the gravity of the situation. This isn't some shady copyright lawyer sending a strongly worded email, or the NZ government making a totally ridiculous and unjustified request. This is the FBI making a *legally* justified request.
Was Sig joking? Yeah that's obvious to anyone with an IQ above 2, but you can't seriously expect Null to go against the FBI when their demands are justified on paper. Someone made a threat that meets the legal requirements to be considered credible (naming a location and referencing an event) so yeah, the FBI is going to want info on that. I'm sure that the investigators will realize it was a joke and move on, if they bother to send any at all and don't just file away his IP for future reference.

So why should Null risk his own comfort, money, site, etc? And furthermore, if people are going to turn it into such a big issue, is he really wrong for nipping the problem in the bud? Stuff like this is going to keep happening if A&H stays up, and every time he makes a choice like this, it will be a big fuss. I don't blame him for not dealing with that.
You have to remember that Null has his own shit to worry about. He's not a tard wrangler by profession so he's under no obligation to act like one.
 
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Qi Meng Dealer said:
Do what you have to, Null. You'll find nothing but support from this poster. The forum exists to laugh at cows, not threaten violence to anyone. Anyone who can't abide by that basic a rule can go shitpost elsewhere, they will not be missed.
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Amazingly if you bring the feds to the door you get shown the door.
 
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KingCoelacanth said:
Unless there are credible threats the fbi can find, I doubt they'll demand anything from Null.
Some sped they interviewed about posting threats online saying "um, actually those guys are the ones posting the threats. What were their usernames? Uh... I dunno" isn't much of a lead.
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Do you not know how those kind of reports work? they're more than likely still going to look into it because of him being a 'credible threat' and snitching on fucking everyone. Plus he'd have more issues on his hands by remembering all of their usernames.
 
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I really enjoy A&H just for the newspaper-headlines aspect, and then reading what people have to say, but I guess I'm a rare breed in that I know not to those discussions over to other threads.

Maybe this has been said already so forgive me if I missed it, but if you think the sperginess is leaving A&H and bleeding into lolcow threads/fucking up the culture of the rest of the site, why not make a strict rule that people doing that outside of A&H will be quarantined there until they learn to not spread it around where it isn't wanted? First offense - 1 week. Second offense - 1 month. 3rd offense - Perma quarantine. Then everyone's happy that the problem is being addressed and conditions will improve overtime.

I imagine there could be a bit of leniency for some lolcows with political leanings such as Ethan Ralph but it's pretty obvious to tell clarifications/discussion from complete derailing and handle them accordingly.

Since there is an influx of new users making accounts who don't understand the culture, put a verification box they have to check saying they acknowledge not to pollute the rest of the site with it. A handful will ignore it, sure, but it will staunch the flow that a lot of users seem so concerned about.

I guess what I'm saying is try to be a bit more surgical with your solution rather than ham-fisted and you'll find things work out much more nicely.
 
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Xarpho said:
After reading through this thread, I see two distinct issues.

2. Null slamming A&N attracted a whole lot of other newfags (joined less than a year ago, or close to that mark) to this very thread that think A&N should be shut down. These people are probably more harmful to KF as a whole by masquerading as real users. To me, these are the true cancer of the site. A&N can be kept under control as a containment zone, the last thing KF needs is people who claim they know the "culture" of the site and lecture older users in an effort to gain control. (To quote a well-known figure, "many such cases" have happened on other forums). This is what causes the functional deaths of communities, and I'd rather see KF dead than be handed over to the likes of these people.
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Here's a thread made earlier this year by a user who joined in 2017 saying A&H should be removed as it causes nothing but problems. This idea that "new users are coming out of the woodwork to change the shape of the site" is a huge leap and completely ignores the fact that the political focused users flooded in and demanded the older demographic shut up and accept that they were the norm. Its the equivalent of the pot calling the kettle black and trying to push the issue onto a different group.

What Null needs to do (and now has done) is rein in the culture of the site. From what I understand the A&N debate is an old argument at this point where one side says "this is a site dedicated to lolcows" while the other side says "it's our little corner where we aren't policed." It can be both of those things, however that's up to Null to decide, and as it stands the side of the site which wants to interact with others no holds barred has now switched from being a nuisance to a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed. The idea that Sigseg was just shitposting and A&N did nothing wrong is ridiculous as even at this point Sigseg himself has said that he was pointing out how exceptional other users were being in the thread.

Imagine showing up in the last few months to laugh at some weirdo on the internet and right after you make your account the owner of the site is saying the site might shut down and that he's getting letters from the FBI because of posts being made. What is your response going to be? Just say let them do what they want and call Null a coward or accept that the guy in charge might know a little better on how to react?
 
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Cat Phuckers said:
Since we're allowed to shill here, check out No White Guilt, The Great Order, and The After Party.
http://nowhiteguilt.org/ - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkY8CvV8WQFe87CZGmvuYHA
https://thegreatorder.com/ - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQecLi2rXNQDj2QcZjsuK1g
http://theafterparty.tv/
Jason Kohne, the amazing person behind No White Guilt, has been able, over 15 years of configuration and perfection, to create a set of dialectics to defeat the anti-whites and expose them for who they are, as well as bring your friends, co-workers, and loved ones over to a positive mindset free of white-guilt. If you feel that you have nowhere to turn and want a way to channel the righteous anger you feel when you see the most vulnerable members of Westernkind victimized into something productive and beautiful, then check No White Guilt out. The most important aspect of Go Free, the solution to the prevalence of anti-whiteism in the modern day, is that it is nonviolent, noble, and you will be seen as unmistakably righteous despite the efforts of the anti-whites to demonize you. When people try to accuse you of being racist or evil, you can easily repel the slander be using the dialectics of Go Free. People of all races are welcomed, as long as you are white-positive and looking to make a difference and advocate for Westernkind. You are not broken or evil because of who your ancestors were and what they did, you are amazing because of it.
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If this guy is the "master race", we're all screwed
 
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Xarpho said:
2. Null slamming A&N attracted a whole lot of other newfags (joined less than a year ago, or close to that mark) to this very thread that think A&N should be shut down. These people are probably more harmful to KF as a whole by masquerading as real users. To me, these are the true cancer of the site. A&N can be kept under control as a containment zone, the last thing KF needs is people who claim they know the "culture" of the site and lecture older users in an effort to gain control. (To quote a well-known figure, "many such cases" have happened on other forums). This is what causes the functional deaths of communities, and I'd rather see KF dead than be handed over to the likes of these people.
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I dont know about internet things and am probably autistic, but i do get a similar insidious vibe from the gatekeeping moral types who are salivating at the thought of this sub forum being closed. Interesting to observe.
 
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Cranby said:
Have you, perhaps, if only for a moment, considered that, maybe, just maybe, all the post-2016 right-wing politards who use this website almost exclusively for political discussion are actually that very cancer you are describing?
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"Am I the cancerous one?"
"No, it's the long time users at the site who are actually cancerous"
Cat Phuckers said:
Since we're allowed to shill here, check out No White Guilt, The Great Order, and The After Party.
http://nowhiteguilt.org/ - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkY8CvV8WQFe87CZGmvuYHA
https://thegreatorder.com/ - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQecLi2rXNQDj2QcZjsuK1g
http://theafterparty.tv/
Jason Kohne, the amazing person behind No White Guilt, has been able, over 15 years of configuration and perfection, to create a set of dialectics to defeat the anti-whites and expose them for who they are, as well as bring your friends, co-workers, and loved ones over to a positive mindset free of white-guilt. If you feel that you have nowhere to turn and want a way to channel the righteous anger you feel when you see the most vulnerable members of Westernkind victimized into something productive and beautiful, then check No White Guilt out. The most important aspect of Go Free, the solution to the prevalence of anti-whiteism in the modern day, is that it is nonviolent, noble, and you will be seen as unmistakably righteous despite the efforts of the anti-whites to demonize you. When people try to accuse you of being racist or evil, you can easily repel the slander be using the dialectics of Go Free. People of all races are welcomed, as long as you are white-positive and looking to make a difference and advocate for Westernkind. You are not broken or evil because of who your ancestors were and what they did, you are amazing because of it.
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Cheesegirl78 said:
I am an old fart and know nothing of Bit Coin.
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Your questions for how to help Null maintain the forum are answered here.

I dont know about internet things and am probably autistic, but i do get a similar insidious vibe from the gatekeeping moral types who are salivating at the thought of this sub forum being closed. Interesting to observe.
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Joined 2020. Yep, figures.

You know nothing of what Kiwi Farms was and still is about, you just want your precious corner of the web to REEEEEEEEEE about how hard done by you and your ilk are and fuck everybody else.

Invade, secure, defend, try to spread out into new areas to invade, secure, defend. You and your ilk are the figurative definition of cancer.
 
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