Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

[The Cum Consumer]

every govt sneak group watches every goddamn site. right-wing violence is getting hotter, they're going to be on any place that allows that shit. as they should be, it's their fucking job to prevent violent crap from happening.

you think they're not all over twitter, reading posts from right-wing islamists? they are. they're on every chan looking for bright-eyed right-wing Christian extremists, too. Anywhere you go online, it's being monitored. If you're in the US/UK that goes for your phone calls too.

it's their fucking job.

I can't believe how many people new here on this site insist on shitting in the popcorn. Making threats is shitting in the popcorn.
I'm here to watch cows, archive their shit so others can find it. Real-life contact, threatening political shit, it's all worthless to read and gums shit up.

Good to see we're not coddling these pissbabies anymore. I just want to watch footage and see what the fuck they've done after the fact

Can you imagine getting paid to shitpost? They should probably hire SIGSEGV to train them, kind of like how people hire Frank Abagnale to check for financial fraud.

 

[XxNecroxX]

What I don't get is why anyone would be so stupid to post their plans to go on a killing spree on a public forum that thousands of people can read. Assuming you were crazy enough to go on a killing spree or try and assassinate a politician why would you post you detailed plans or announce it on a website where thousands of people can read your post, get your personal contact info, and call the cops if they think you are serious? Even if you weren't serious you'd still regret it because you'd end up a laughingstock. People would always remember you as "that idiot who wrote an elaborate manifesto as a joke, got a visit from the feds, and revealed how much of a retard he was".

One word... Attention. And looks as if they got that attention they were after and then a little more than they bargained for as well.

The fact Null still keeps fighting for this site through things even of this magnitude as well as past inconveniences mentioned in the post speaks volumes... Thats far more dedication than most could ever have for about anything including their own flesh and blood. Then to turn around and have that dedication not only questioned but, threw back in their face as if they are wrong for having their hand forced to co-op with the same Government they have to fight against to keep it all going is not only insulting its just fucking ridiculous. I would be beyond pissed too. Imagine their knocking on your door because of someone else's misguided comments... If anyone can honestly say you wouldn't do the same then they are either delusional and have no understanding of how the courts work or completely and hopelessly full of shit.

Terroristic Threats is pretty much where Free Speech ends and Federal Indictments begin. Its like supporting the 2nd Amendment but, then turn around a threaten to shoot people that oppose it... Thats not supporting shit that's just giving the anti to your cause more ammunition to use against you to convince more people they are right and their cause against you is just and reasonable.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

You absolutely retarded motherfucker. It’s because they remember Oklahoma City and all the shit they got for missing the warning signs for that. The FBI has been dealing with various right wing extremist groups for decades. The fact they’ve been able to infiltrate them as well as they have is honestly pretty impressive.

After what happened in Michigan, I get the sense there are no right wing groups, just LARPers and informants.

I support banning accounts that discuss about political assassinations. Not good for anyone.

On the one hand, political assassinations are dirty, dirty business. It takes a special kind of temperament to plan and carry one out, someone who can simultaneously believe they are doing God's work while wanting others to be massacred. Psychopath doesn't come close to describing the mindset, I don't think there's a good word for it in English. This quality is exceptionally rare even amongst the most ardent believers of any cause, the odds of even one being a Kiwi are long.

On the other hand, there's the question of why we're here. There's no upside if KF degenerates into a forum for discussing insurrection and murder, most users will just wander off because that's not something they want to have anything to do with. Serious talk about capital crime takes all the air out of the room, most other subjects just don't command that kind of attention. It can't co-exist with other topics and thus should be banned. Or at least pushed off to a more appropriate forum.

That said, handing over someone's details to the FBI... SIGSEGV might be in a lot of trouble over what was likely bombastic language he had no plans to follow up on.

While I understand the difference between cooperation and compulsion, this does raise concerns.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

After what happened in Michigan, I get the sense there are no right wing groups, just LARPers and informants.

I support banning accounts that discuss about political assassinations. Not good for anyone.

On the one hand, political assassinations are dirty, dirty business. It takes a special kind of temperament to plan and carry one out, someone who can simultaneously believe they are doing God's work while wanting others to be massacred. Psychopath doesn't come close to describing the mindset, I don't think there's a good word for it in English. This quality is exceptionally rare even amongst the most ardent believers of any cause, the odds of even one being a Kiwi are long.

On the other hand, there's the question of why we're here. There's no upside if KF degenerates into a forum for discussing insurrection and murder, most users will just wander off because that's not something they want to have anything to do with. Serious talk about capital crime takes all the air out of the room, most other subjects just don't command that kind of attention. It can't co-exist with other topics and thus should be banned. Or at least pushed off to a more appropriate forum.

That said, handing over someone's details to the FBI... SIGSEGV might be in a lot of trouble over what was likely bombastic language he had no plans to follow up on.

While I understand the difference between cooperation and compulsion, this does raise concerns.

I will turn you to line 3 in Null's statement: "If you believe this site has been compromised by a government entity, I strongly encourage you to leave".
The fact that you think Null doing the bare minimum to comply with one of the most powerful apparatuses of the most powerful state in the world is "concerning" suggests you fall into this category.

 

[off meds / online]

After what happened in Michigan, I get the sense there are no right wing groups, just LARPers and informants.

pretending that all of the shittiest people on your end of the political spectrum are all glowies or faking it is genuinely hilarious, regardless of which side you're on. I am begging to see the conspiracy board you keep in your basement.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

I am a recent person so I know very little really about Null and suspect that I wouldn't like him much in other contexts, but It's always been clear to me the effort and care he puts into this site and the people here. If nothing else I respect his role here, because he takes it seriously and works hard for it.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Null. I don't know how to tell you this, man, but there are parties out there that want the farms gone. Mostly because we do such an autistic job of archiving their dirty laundry. I know it's already asking too much, but don't let them win. The moment you give in, they'll have already gotten what they wanted. I wouldn't even be surprised one bit that certain people come here in order to post incriminating shit.

No certain way to actually prove it, but the possibility is there, and the likelihood more probable given the other crazy shit on the internet. I honestly think you need to kick up in gatekeeping who registers here. I know that sounds gay as fuck, but consider what's already happened, further precautions might be warranted.

 

[nekrataal]

pretending that all of the shittiest people on your end of the political spectrum are all glowies or faking it is genuinely hilarious, regardless of which side you're on. I am begging to see the conspiracy board you keep in your basement.

“All of these people on my side are all government plants in order for the media to smear people who share these political views.”

 

[José Mourinho]

He's not wrong though, it's totally obvious that Null has been paid by Joe fucking Biden himself and the Biden administration team even went as far as to having shills on this obscure site (that no official really should give a shit to begin with but come on, if it makes my side look bad it's totally a false flag! We dindu nuttin!) purposely making glow and death threats to make Trump's site look bad and that's how Sig got banned

It started with Mr Enter bribing Null to get the Entersphere subforum down (I have no evidence and this is actually something I made up out of my ass but if you ask me for source I'll just call you deboonker anyway so shut up) and this is next, when will you all wake up?????? #Entergate

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

pretending that all of the shittiest people on your end of the political spectrum are all glowies or faking it is genuinely hilarious, regardless of which side you're on. I am begging to see the conspiracy board you keep in your basement.

yeah well what about radical centrism™? checkmate athetits we've only got jokers tokers and weed smokers over here
and fat useless pieces of shit who fart on youtube to collect spergbux

 

[Doctor Professor Timon]

Null. I don't know how to tell you this, man, but there are parties out there that want the farms gone. Mostly because we do such an autistic job of archiving their dirty laundry. I know it's already asking too much, but don't let them win. The moment you give in, they'll have already gotten what they wanted. I wouldn't even be surprised one bit that certain people come here in order to post incriminating shit.

No certain way to actually prove it, but the possibility is there, and the likelihood more probable given the other crazy shit on the internet. I honestly think you need to kick up in gatekeeping who registers here. I know that sounds gay as fuck, but consider what's already happened, further precautions might be warranted.

All he has to do is make the registration captcha be nigger.

Then he has blackmailable proof that any glow-in-the-darks or SJW people are racist.

(If someone thinks this is serious...)

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

The feebs are operating on the presumption of threat because the professional consequences of being wrong are safer that way.

Option A- you see someone make what looks like a 'true threat' of violence\terrorism. But then you look at the context not included in the statement and decide it's actually a joke. Turns out... you were wrong. One in a million chance came through. Dude guns down someone just like he wrote he would and just like someone reported he said. It's bad enough that he wrote it but the real kicker is that you are known to have read it. Now people are asking why you didn't get off your ass and do literally anything about it.

Option B- you see someone make what is probably a joke but decide to assume it could be real. Since you're on the clock anyway you go through the motions to lay your federal cock down on him. You scare the absolute bejesus out of the shitposter and you can report that you did so and found nothing indicating actual intent. Nothing bad happens to you and you get to expense lunch at the sushi place near the dipshit's house and play candy crush till the boss expects you back. Paperwork is filed. That cute "administrative assistant" is wearing the black low-cut blouse. All is right with the world. Which option would you pick?

It's not that they're stupid, it's that they don't care. They're covering their ass. And it seems reasonable to expect null to do the same so he doesn't have to get woken up by alphabet agencies.

To add to this, it's still within their interest to investigate even if they strongly suspect you're full of shit, regardless of whether they're legally obligated to. The outcomes in such a case would be:

A - the guy turns out to be a shitposter like SIGga. They knock on his door and confirm he's just an edgelord. They tell him to stop being a retard, that actions have consequences and consequences will never be the same, and then they'll go on with their business. This would scare 90% of people enough to make then watch their actions and stop cluttering the FBI's to-do list with spurious threats. The 10% that would still go on after receiving a glowing visit are clearly unhinged enough to receive fed interest with earnest.

Or, B - turns out the guy is a legitimate crazy person, they cuff him, they congratulate themselves on a job well done.

There's absolutely no reason for the feds not to investigate every explicit threat when the alternative could be a mass shooting or assassination, and a media cycle plastered with blurbs like: "the authorities were aware of the suspect's plans but chose not to act".

What I don't get is why anyone would be so stupid to post their plans to go on a killing spree on a public forum that thousands of people can read. Assuming you were crazy enough to go on a killing spree or try and assassinate a politician why would you post you detailed plans or announce it on a website where thousands of people can read your post, get your personal contact info, and call the cops if they think you are serious? Even if you weren't serious you'd still regret it because you'd end up a laughingstock. People would always remember you as "that idiot who wrote an elaborate manifesto as a joke, got a visit from the feds, and revealed how much of a retard he was".

It's the psychology of an echochamber. If a bunch of already frustrated and unstable people find a hugbox of likeminded individuals, who spend all day seething at the state of the world together through the lense of clickbait articles with no reality checks, then that community is going to spiral into lunacy exponentially. We've seen this happen time and time again on the Internet, on various ends of the political spectrum. Fringe hiveminds whipping themselves up into a hysterical frenzy 24/7, escalating their in-group rhetoric to the point where openly fantasizing about mass murder becomes the norm. It's only a matter of time before one of them snaps and crosses the line from daydreaming to committing some kind of felony.

That's why the A&H apologists in this thread are being disingenuous faggots. SIG deserves all the blame for what happened, but the politispergs are acting like that should excuse all the fanatics in the Election thread who were just a step or two behind him, when it should really be a wake-up call. Just because those people were able to dress up their glorification of domestic terrorism in a way that it wasn't technically illegal doesn't mean it's desirable or acceptable. You're just going to replicate the old "people pretending to be idiots" idiom, only with "violent insurrectionist" instead. It's definitely necessary for a community which isn't even meant to be political to tell the spergs to find some other way to speedrun themselves into Bubba's loving arms that doesn't involve us.

I don't think baleeting A&H is the way forward. As others have said, I suspect most posters in those boards are pretty casual and it would be a shame to completely ban any mention of politics from the site because a vocal minority can't behave. That said, there's definitely a very firmly entrenched deranged and unhealthy streak to the political boards. I can barely stomache 15 minutes of browsing before I'm exhausted by all the rage and doom and gloom. I can't even imagine what the frame of mind of someone who's spent the last year devoutly following the COVID/Riots/Election threads for hours on end, day after day, looks like.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Fringe hiveminds whipping themselves up into a hysterical frenzy 24/7, escalating their in-group rhetoric to the point where openly fantasizing about mass murder becomes the norm

As it turns out, the lolcow is coming from inside the house.

Seriously A&H is as bad as Left Twitter. They just can't see it.

 

[SolidZone 26]

Things are getting really crazy.

 

[the khat quaffer]

Good fucking riddance, that guy was SO fucking annoying. I had seen him before, but I got the biggest dose of him in the election thread. He seemed like he was trolling both sides but more so the pro-Trump side.

I couldn't figure him out. But he was fucking there every single page. Thank Soros for the mute function. (Now, if it only worked when the person you muted gets a highlight post...)

 

[Saigon63]

Why don’t you do a startup?
Dude, all the skills you have maintaining and developing this site I’d hire you on spot. In fact if the Google Infosec shitbags didn’t do me dirty like they did I’d toss you an offer.

Pisses me off that dudes like you who actually know what they are doing aren’t in better positions. Just the fag bitches who need to cry racism because they can’t deal with their own lack of skill or the oat huffing fat asses that run amuck.

 

[Bender]

Why don’t you do a startup?
Dude, all the skills you have maintaining and developing this site I’d hire you on spot. In fact if the Google Infosec shitbags didn’t do me dirty like they did I’d toss you an offer.

Pisses me off that dudes like you who actually know what they are doing aren’t in better positions. Just the fag bitches who need to cry racism because they can’t deal with their own lack of skill or the oat huffing fat asses that run amuck.

He's talked about this before, running this website has really fucked up his reputation, so while he's well-qualified for many IT jobs there's practically nobody who will hire him, likely out of fear of the inevitable shitstorm they'd receive if anyone found out. I reckon he'd have the same problem with a startup, nobody would want to invest in something involving the owner of the notorious Kiwi Farms because it would be inherently high-risk.

 

[Sneakywombat666]

He's talked about this before, running this website has really fucked up his reputation, so while he's well-qualified for many IT jobs there's practically nobody who will hire him, likely out of fear of the inevitable shitstorm they'd receive if anyone found out. I reckon he'd have the same problem with a startup, nobody would want to invest in something involving the owner of the notorious Kiwi Farms because it would be inherently high-risk.

IT is one area where you have to be very careful. I've been associated with certain areas that more or less blacklist me from certain companies. I can feel this pain in my bones.

 

[Real Mutha For Ya]

Whatever you do, don't come to Britbong land. Lolcow and convicted paedo "Stephanie" Hayden is threatening @Null with being arrested if he sets foot in Londonistan / Archive.
I think being arrested by plod is a much better prospect than being the subject of Tony's attentions, being as he's a verified rent boy with over 600+ "reviews" on a bum-boi website.

 

[Henry Wyatt]

"If you post violent threats, you're gone."
does this mean i can no longer say eid null eid?