Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

[Constellationzero]

Finally! I'm no longer the worst passenger jet ever.

--DeHavilland Comet

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Finally! I'm no longer the worst passenger jet ever.

--DeHavilland Comet

To be fair to the Comet, it has the excuse for being the first jet powered commercial airliner. British engineers were in new territory with a lot of unknowns that they learned from and revised in the later Comets that made it a solid plane. It was so solid that the Comet's bones formed the basis of the Hawker Siddley Nimrod which saw military service until 2011.

 

[Terrifik]

song never ends

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1768154458184102006

 

[Thiletonomics]

With the sheer number of ways Boeing is shitting the bed right now, how badly would that have gotten, had they made a double-decker mega jumbo jet specifically to compete with the Airbus A380? Maybe it turned out to be a blessing in disguise that the A380 didn't catch on as well as expected...

 

[Mutley]

I thought the same thing at first, but it has to be more than just incompetent diversity hires. I mean the whole company from top to bottom couldn't possibly be this retarded right?

Your talking about a company that will give you a month of paid leave, on top of any other leave, so you can work out if you need to chop your dick or tits off.

This woke DEI crap not only is prevalent at Boeing, but is also forced down to Boeing's Defense arm (Boeing Defense) around the world.



I thing Boeing may want to re-think 2025 aspirations. Safety and Quality might deserve a look in

 

[Mutley]

There was a Netflix Documentary called "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing" that went through the whole Max debacle.

I cant remember if that documentary has the hidden camera footage where a "new" employee (or something like that) was asking workers in the factory if they would fly on the plane they were building...

Spoiler: You Guessed Right

10 out of 15 said no, they wouldn't fly in it

Edit : Found some video from a couple of days ago, where Alex Jones had a big rant about Boeing and the whistleblower. He showed some of the above footage

Full Video : Alex Jones Rumble Video on Boeing (Archive)

Timestamps of note :
9:34 : The footage of employees being asked if they would fly on the aircraft
10:39 : The drug problem at Boeing
23:20 : John Barnet talking about Boeing

 

[Sam Losco]

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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1768154458184102006

lol stop.
Emergency landings are a daily event. They do an emergency landing for any small thing out of caution. This one was a low tire pressure indication. They blew a tire on takeoff so they did an emergency landing at the destination out of caution.

https://avherald.com/h?article=51620c12&opt=0

I'm all for pointing out how shit Boeing is now, I've been saying it for years, but lets focus on stuff that is actually a Boeing problem and not something that happens nearly daily somewhere in the world from normal wear and tear.

Only reason this is being reported is because the spotlight is on Boeing right now, so the vultures in the news media know they can get more clicks out of it.

Seriously, go look at the Av Herald at how many incidents there are daily and keep in mind, the Av Herald largely only reports on things they are told about as the vast majority of these things never get reported in the news because they don't matter.

https://avherald.com/

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Not a Boeing problem. That's a United maintenance problem. That 777 was mfr'd in 2002. Wheels get changed roughly every 250 cycles. At 2 cycles a day, that's every four months. That wheel has been replaced many, many times since that jet rolled off the assembly line.

Likewise the 777 in Sydney with the hydro leak is also a United maintenance issue.

Yep, United is a shit airline with retards on the payroll.

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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1768154458184102006

Holy fuck it blew a TIRE on takeoff that ISN'T A FUCKING BOEING issue.

Remember kids, Airbus killed a planeload of people on an A330 on 2007 from Brazil to France. A pitot tube got clogged with ice and fed the FCS bad data and the crew had no idea what was going on, stalled the jet and hit the water at a few hundred mph.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Difference? No social media and the entire continent of Europe sans Russia has some kind of stake in Airbus so they closed ranks.

Remember, the entire EU backs Airbus and it was made to specifically protect European plane makers from Boeing.

Embraer and Bombardier didn't have a chance either. Too small and they sure as hell wouldn't be able to meet demand for a 737 class jet and probably couldn't build anything bigger.

 

[NewHousewife]

Wasn't the software issue with the MAXs something completely asinine like it only pulling data from instruments on one side of the plane without cross referencing instruments on the other side which caused the MCAS to repeatedly pitch the nose down? I remember hearing that from the guys working on them at the time. Completely pants on head retarded.

I'm a bit late to this, but I wanted to put my two cents.
Basically. The MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) system relies on two Angle-of-Attack sensors to determine the angle at which the plane is is flying relative to the airstream. Excessive angle of attack is dangerous and can result in an aerodynamic stall, so most modern aircraft monitor this to alert the pilots of imminent stall. Previously, the sensors had only been used for that purpose in the 737, but with the MAX lineup, their role had changed.

MCAS was installed in the 737 MAX lineup after Boeing moved the engines forward to change the aerodynamics of the plane for better fuel efficiency, which also changed how it performed. This change had an unforeseen consequence that the plane would nose up without command during certain stages of flight.

When the MCAS saw that one of the sensors was indicating too high of AOA, it would command the horizontal stabilizer (The tiny wings on the tail of the plane) to angle downward and this was performed all automatically. This caused the plane to nose back down. Boeing installed this system because they didn't want to have to make their customers (The airliners) retrain their pilots which would be costly and could turn them away from buying the airplane. The purpose of the system was to make it behave like the older aircraft and not require retraining.

As you stated, the flaw in this system is that there is only 2 sensors. The system would make commands based off of whatever sensor indicated an excessive AOA condition. This means that if one of the sensors got stuck, the MCAS would believe the faulty sensor even if the sensors disagreed. It's a mind-numbing engineering failure.

The reason that it caused two accidents is because the system silently commanded the horizontal stabilizer, and there's only one switch that can disconnect it from the automatic trim system. This system makes changes often, so the pilots would have likely been more focused on regaining control of a plane that is actively forcing itself into the ground because of a bad engineering decision.

The Boeing 737 is not a fly-by-wire aircraft, which means the control columns are still physically linked to the hydraulic actuators that move the control surfaces. 737 pilots expect their inputs not to be overridden.
In comparison the Airbus A320 is fly-by-wire in that the joystick only sends electrical commands to the flight computer which actuates the control surfaces. The Airbus has many flight protection systems which prevent the pilots from doing unsafe maneuvers and/or stalling the aircraft. This can range from nose-down inputs to commanding maximum available thrust to regain airspeed. Airbus pilots are trained on these flight control laws and these systems can be overridden by turning off certain computers.

Main takeaway is that Boeing rushed the MAX through certification and did not inform pilots about the MCAS, which lead to confusion and ultimately the two accidents that claimed the lives of over 300 people.

 

[Breadbassket]

‘Feels like the enemy is within’ Boeing airplanes, says pilot who flew for the Air Force during Operation Desert Storm​

Boeing’s recent troubles have put some pilots on high alert when they enter the cockpit.

“It gives me even more pause when I get on the airplane,” Dennis Tajer, spokesperson for the Allied Pilots Association and a pilot for American Airlines, told CNBC’s Last Call on Tuesday. “And not a pause of concern of flying it – but making sure I’m watching it like a hawk.”

Multiple incidents involving Boeing planes have made headlines over the past several days, including one in which at least 50 people were injured on a 787 Dreamliner after passengers say it descended rapidly on a flight from Australia to New Zealand. The cause of that incident is under investigation, but carrier LATAM Airlines referred to it as a “technical event.”

On Tuesday, Southwest and Alaska Air said their flying plans were at risk amid Boeing’s ongoing quality-control concerns.

“Every airline is basically fighting to ensure that their network plan is not undermined by this failure of Boeing,” said Tajer, a Boeing 737 captain. “And it changes every day.”

Despite the time he spent flying Boeing 707s in Desert Storm for the U.S. Air Force, Tajer said he thinks about the dangers of flying more than he ever has before.

“I was in the military and Boeing planes saved my tail many times in combat,” Tajer said. “The enemy was outside the airplane. Now it feels like the enemy is within.”

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[Falcos_Commisar]

The 737 should have been replaced after the NG variant but retarded GREEN airline initiatives and Boeing shortsightedness stopped that.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Main takeaway is that Boeing rushed the MAX through certification and did not inform pilots about the MCAS, which lead to confusion and ultimately the two accidents that claimed the lives of over 300 people.

Not to defend Boeing, but it should be noted that they sold an option to have multiple sensors in the standard setup for MCAS; the planes that went down did NOT have that option.

Also to note is that even though the jet did not require retraining you were still supposed to learn the failure modes of MCAS and how to resolve it. But they should have made it niggerproof, because any system that is not niggerproof will eventually fail catastrophically.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

For me it is a mangement issue. Not DIE shit. Welch, Stonecipher and McNerney are all white. This is just where to spend money and it all went to the shareholders instead. The cashlow into dividends and buybacks in the years prior in percentage of the operating income is insane. They could have innovated, controlled, make sure. They choose not to.

It is not DEI, which retards @User names must be unique believe and see the root cause for everything. These are the people responsible:

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Look white to me.

I agree, but only partially. Management was white, pinching pennies, but for a reason.
The reason, of course, you've already stated: Stock prices.

The investors, who also nowadays incentivize DEI practices, were the ones incentivizing this style of management as well. DEI and cost-cutting is one in the same.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Didnt Boeing go down the crapper in the early 70’s when the 2707 was cancelled?

Also why is Boeing being run like McDonell-Douglas?

 

[102]

Retards in this thread are trying to blame singular issues when in reality it's a combination of both corporate culture & DEI.

Example: Boeing fired all their white male engineers working on the B787 at their Tacoma plant and moved the production line to South Carolina, hiring new niggers and pajeets for $9/hr to fill their place.

This was massively praised by the American media and by Boeing itself as a diversity-boosting initiative. It was two birds with one stone: Massively cut costs and lay off high-salary employees in bulk, and boost diversity because fuck whitey.

The first planes off the production line literally fell apart because the niggers were stealing the bolts that hold the fuselage sections together and replacing them with cheap ones they bought from home depot, and B787 deliveries were shut down for more than two full years shortly after the move. It's a fun rabbit hole to go down, the ways they fucked up planes is almost comical. This included seats installed backwards, mixing up the pipes between the toilets and the sinks in the bathrooms, endless crossed wiring and an instance chicken bones being discovered in the aft pressure bulkhead of a B787 delivered to KLM. B787 production only finally restarted after the FAA started babysitting the Shaniquas on the ground and basically running the whole operation for Boeing, but, as it turns out, dumb niggers are not aerospace engineers and cannot learn and the production line has still had constant failings with deliveries shut down again now as of February.

Boeing wanted to cut costs and get rid of whites with one move, shooting themselves in the foot by doing so. They fucked around and found out. No sympathy.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Didnt Boeing go down the crapper in the early 70’s when the 2707 was cancelled?

Also why is Boeing being run like McDonell-Douglas?

When Boeing merged with MD in the late 1990s, MD's board and CEO took over Boeing.

The joke was that MD bought Boeing with Boeing's own money (stock) and they did.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

There was a Netflix Documentary called "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing" that went through the whole Max debacle.

I cant remember if that documentary has the hidden camera footage where a "new" employee (or something like that) was asking workers in the factory if they would fly on the plane they were building...

Spoiler: You Guessed Right

10 out of 15 said no, they wouldn't fly in it

Edit : Found some video from a couple of days ago, where Alex Jones had a big rant about Boeing and the whistleblower. He showed some of the above footage

Full Video : Alex Jones Rumble Video on Boeing (Archive)

Timestamps of note :
9:34 : The footage of employees being asked if they would fly on the aircraft
10:39 : The drug problem at Boeing
23:20 : John Barnet talking about Boeing

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I always took you as an autistic chat weirdo. I see I was incorrect you have very informative posts.

 

[Lou Sassle]

So fellow kiwis a friend of mine used to build 737 max assemblies. He warned years ago to never set foot in one. The parts he was getting were substandard and out of spec and being pressed into service to get planes out the door. The last straw for him was when they got a batch of bolts too short for safety wire and were told to install them anyway. Those bolts held part of the wing assembly together.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

So fellow kiwis a friend of mine used to build 737 max assemblies. He warned years ago to never set foot in one. The parts he was getting were substandard and out of spec and being pressed into service to get planes out the door. The last straw for him was when they got a batch of bolts too short for safety wire and were told to install them anyway. Those bolts held part of the wing assembly together.

Didn’t they replace Japanese made components with like Indian made ones?

 

[Breadbassket]

Update on the story about the Boeing whistleblower who was found dead.

'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower's prediction before death​

CHARLESTON COUNTY, S.C. (WCIV) — A close family friend of John Barnett said he predicted he might wind up dead and that a story could surface that he killed himself.

But at the time, he told her not to believe it.

"I know that he did not commit suicide," said Jennifer, a friend of Barnett's. "There's no way."

Jennifer said they talked about this exact scenario playing out. However, now, his words seem like a premonition he told her directly not to believe.

"I know John because his mom and my mom are best friends," Jennifer said. "Over the years, get-togethers, birthdays, celebrations and whatnot. We've all got together and talked."

When Jennifer needed help one day, Barnett came by to see her. They talked about his upcoming deposition in Charleston. Jennifer knew Barnett filed an extremely damaging complaint against Boeing. He said the aerospace giant retaliated against him when he blew the whistle on unsafe practices.

For more than 30 years, he was a quality manager. He'd recently retired and moved back to Louisiana to look after his mom.

"He wasn't concerned about safety because I asked him," Jennifer said. "I said, 'Aren't you scared?' And he said, 'No, I ain't scared, but if anything happens to me, it's not suicide.'"

Jennifer added: "I know that he did not commit suicide. There's no way. He loved life too much. He loved his family too much. He loved his brothers too much to put them through what they're going through right now."

Jennifer said she thinks somebody "didn't like what he had to say" and wanted to "shut him up" without it coming back to anyone.

"That's why they made it look like a suicide," Jennifer said.

The last time Jennifer saw Barnett was at her father's funeral in late February. He was one of the pallbearers. Sometimes family and friends referred to him by his middle name – Mitch.

"I think everybody is in disbelief and can't believe it," Jennifer said. "I don't care what they say, I know that Mitch didn't do that."

Just because Barnett is dead doesn't mean the case won't move forward.

His attorney said they're still prepared to go to trial in June.

News 4 reached out to Boeing following Barnett's death. They provided the following statement:

"We are saddened by Mr. Barnett’s passing, and our thoughts are with his family and friends.”

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