Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

[moocow]

Huh. Score one for Boeing. GG guys.

 

[CorvidFag]

An American’s going to be in the US Open final for the first time in years and an hour later Starliner touches down. USA KILLIN IT USA USA USA

 

[Neetness]

Was incredible to watch live. Glad it landed.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Now the question is how to get the Starliner Crew off the Space Station.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

Now the question is how to get the Starliner Crew off the Space Station.

Already been solved, SpaceX Crew-9 will be launched with 2 crew instead of four, to bring back the two Boeingnauts in February next year.

 

[It's Little Alex Horne]

Now the question is how to get the Starliner Crew off the Space Station.

I thought they'd figured that out already when they decided to bring the Starliner back uncrewed? They're going to shuffle around the crews on the next SpaceX launch to the ISS or something like that?

 

[Betonhaus]

I honestly thought it was going to burn up on reentry. I'm a little disappointed now.

 

[Jump]

Now the question is how to get the Starliner Crew off the Space Station.

They bumped the 2 women off of SpaceX Crew 9. They are going to come down on that. Link

My guess is they will send the 2 extra SpaceX compatible suites up with Crew-9 or the Soyuz thats going up on 9/11.
Because of course the connections on Boeing and SpaceX suites are incompatible for some fucking reason.

 

[AnOminous]

Mission success. Cool to watch tbqh

I still am not going to blame actual astronauts for refusing to get on the thing.

My guess is they will send the 2 extra SpaceX compatible suites up with Crew-9 or the Soyuz thats going up on 9/11.
Because of course the connections on Boeing and SpaceX suites are incompatible for some fucking reason.

You'd think there would be an ISO standard or something.

I guess not, because it's totally inconceivable a corporation would send out a deathtrap that astronauts refuse even to get into because they like being alive and feel it's safer to be in space for months than get on it, and that nobody else would have something compatible.

I mean private industry would never do that, isn't that what the lolberts tell us?

 

[R00T]

if the spacex one blows up it's gonna be crazy awkward.

I still am not going to blame actual astronauts for refusing to get on the thing.

i don't think anyone will. these things have to be precise and if there is a significant margin of error i know i wouldn't want to be in that thing. imagine if it only succeeded because there wasn't 200 extra pounds in it. two meatsacks sat at the controls would tip that easy.

 

[YarrBlueballs]

I vote that India does the rescue, they can totally design a space shuttle with a designated shitting corridor, I believe in them!

 

[User names must be unique]

You'd think there would be an ISO standard or something.

Even if the connectors were compatible the suits probably have different requirements for air flow and power so you'd have to standardize the compressors and PSUs

Then you have the locking mechanisms to keep heads and legs locked in during turbulence so the seats would all have to be the same or very similar.

That's all a bit much just for an extremely unlikely situation of crew having to change vessel.

 

[JJLiautaud]

I still am not going to blame actual astronauts for refusing to get on the thing.

You'd think there would be an ISO standard or something.

I guess not, because it's totally inconceivable a corporation would send out a deathtrap that astronauts refuse even to get into because they like being alive and feel it's safer to be in space for months than get on it, and that nobody else would have something compatible.

I mean private industry would never do that, isn't that what the lolberts tell us?

You'd think there would be an ISO standard or something.

I guess not, because it's totally inconceivable a corporation would send out a deathtrap that astronauts refuse even to get into because they like being alive and feel it's safer to be in space for months than get on it, and that nobody else would have something compatible.

I mean private industry would never do that, isn't that what the lolberts tell us?

It's actually a nasa thing the worry is if you have one standard and something is found wrong with it then you ground the whole fleet, yes it's retarded but it's nasa.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You'd think there would be an ISO standard or something.

I guess not, because it's totally inconceivable a corporation would send out a deathtrap that astronauts refuse even to get into because they like being alive and feel it's safer to be in space for months than get on it, and that nobody else would have something compatible.

I mean private industry would never do that, isn't that what the lolberts tell us?

You would be surprised how much of that bullshit is out there in the manufacturing world. If its not mandated, it will NOT be standardized. Because they want you to buy their shit.

 

[AnOminous]

That's all a bit much just for an extremely unlikely situation of crew having to change vessel.

It's not so unlikely that it didn't just happen.

You would be surprised how much of that bullshit is out there in the manufacturing world. If its not mandated, it will NOT be standardized. Because they want you to buy their shit.

We used to have this when firefighters were a privately paid for service. Hydrants and hoses would be different between the different companies that did this so if your local firefighter's shit wasn't working you were basically fucked because even if you could pay the other company, they couldn't hook their hoses up to the hydrant outside your home.

Now those things are standard. Also, fire trucks (at least certain types) generally also have their own water tanks if they have to report to somewhere the hydrant isn't working or there just isn't one (like reporting to a car fire on the highway).

It's actually a nasa thing the worry is if you have one standard and something is found wrong with it then you ground the whole fleet, yes it's retarded but it's nasa.

Beats stranding a bunch of astronauts in space. I mean it's probably pretty safe on the ISS, but suppose this kind of shit happened when oxygen was failing. You don't always have a few months to just chill in orbit.

 

[Marvin]

We used to have this when firefighters were a privately paid for service. Hydrants and hoses would be different between the different companies that did this so if your local firefighter's shit wasn't working you were basically fucked because even if you could pay the other company, they couldn't hook their hoses up to the hydrant outside your home.

Now those things are standard. Also, fire trucks (at least certain types) generally also have their own water tanks if they have to report to somewhere the hydrant isn't working or there just isn't one (like reporting to a car fire on the highway).

Coincidentally, I was reading about this the other day, and the Great Baltimore Fire was a big motivator for standardizing firefighting equipment.

The Great Baltimore Fire was like the 3rd worst fire in US history historically, and they called fire engines from many neighboring cities, including as far north as NYC and when they arrived they basically had to sit around with their thumbs up their asses because none of their equipment was compatible.

 

[AnOminous]

Coincidentally, I was reading about this the other day, and the Great Baltimore Fire was a big motivator for standardizing firefighting equipment.

That's exactly the one I was thinking about, but I'd forgotten which exact fire was the one responsible for deciding it was time to fix that shit. I remember the Great Chicago Fire was the reason for zoning and building codes being revised (much of the stuff that burned down was wooden and way too close together).

 

[Jump]

It's actually a nasa thing the worry is if you have one standard and something is found wrong with it then you ground the whole fleet, yes it's retarded but it's nasa.

I'm not doubting they said that. But it sounds like cope after it was to late to fix in the contracts and someone asked them about it.

What if there is a medical emergency with a person that went up on Craft A but there is only a B type docked at the ISS? He can't even ride down on a B type because the retarded space suit incompatibility. Or if there is an A type there and 1 A type person has an issue now everyone who has A type suits has to leave rather then just swapping 1 seat on the B type that is scheduled to leave next.
NASA is the single customer. They very easily could have spec'ed that the suites have a standard plug and attachment points. How the different companies implemented the rest of the suits could have been up to them but they should have had standard interfaces.

The suites are custom tailored to each person. Now they will be sending up ones that where never test fit. And they are having to waste space that could be used for other cargo.

Oh well I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. Boeing is fucked, and the ISS is done for in 5 years.
Like the Tesla Supercharger's plug ended up winning in the US EV market, the SpaceX suit will become the standard because no one else can get their shit together.

 

[Betonhaus]

It's actually a nasa thing the worry is if you have one standard and something is found wrong with it then you ground the whole fleet, yes it's retarded but it's nasa.

If you are running the risk of even just part of your fleet going down because of a design flaw in a fucking hose connector then you have bigger problems

 

[That_Guy]

The perfect suit connector that cannot have unknown design problems isn't really something anyone can ever know they have. There will be problems. The whole two-provider thing insulates against one provider's problem grounding everything else. And SpaceX went with an air-cooled suit. (Leaks won't drown the wearer. But removing heat is harder.)