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For 108 years, the Boy Scouts of America’s flagship program has been known simply as the Boy Scouts. With girls soon entering the ranks, the group says that iconic name will change.

The organization on Wednesday announced a new name for its Boy Scouts program: Scouts BSA. The change will take effect in February.

Chief Scout Executive Mike Surbaugh said many possibilities were considered during lengthy and “incredibly fun” deliberations before the new name was chosen.

“We wanted to land on something that evokes the past but also conveys the inclusive nature of the program going forward,” he said. “We’re trying to find the right way to say we’re here for both young men and young women.”

The parent organization will remain the Boy Scouts of America, and the Cub Scouts — its program serving children from kindergarten through fifth grade — will keep its title, as well.

But the Boy Scouts — the program for 11- to 17-year-olds — will now be Scouts BSA.

The organization already has started admitting girls into the Cub Scouts, and Scouts BSA begins accepting girls next year.

Surbaugh predicted that both boys and girls in Scouts BSA would refer to themselves simply as scouts, rather than adding “boy” or “girl.”

The program for the older boys and girls will largely be divided along gender-lines, with single-sex units pursuing the same types of activities, earning the same array of merit badges and potentially having the same pathway to the coveted Eagle Scout award.

Surbaugh said that having separate units for boys and girls should alleviate concerns that girls joining the BSA for the first time might be at a disadvantage in seeking leadership opportunities.

So far, more than 3,000 girls have joined roughly 170 Cub Scout packs participating in the first phase of the new policy, and the pace will intensify this summer under a nationwide multimedia recruitment campaign titled “Scout Me In.”

The name change comes amid strained relations between the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts of America.

Girl Scout leaders said they were blindsided by the move, and they are gearing up an aggressive campaign to recruit and retain girls as members.

Among the initiatives is creation of numerous new badges that girls can earn, focusing on outdoor activities and on science, engineering, technology and math. The organization is expanding corporate partnerships in both those areas, and developing a Girl Scout Network Page on LinkedIn to support career advancement for former Girl Scouts.

“Girl Scouts is the premier leadership development organization for girls,” said Sylvia Acevedo, the Girl Scouts’ CEO. “We are, and will remain, the first choice for girls and parents who want to provide their girls opportunities to build new skills ... and grow into happy, successful, civically engaged adults.”

The Girl Scouts and the BSA are among several major youth organizations in the U.S. experiencing sharp drops in membership in recent years. Reasons include competition from sports leagues, a perception by some families that they are old-fashioned and busy family schedules.

The Boy Scouts say current youth participation is about 2.3 million, down from 2.6 million in 2013 and more than 4 million in peak years of the past.

The Girl Scouts say they have about 1.76 million girls and more than 780,000 adult members, down from just over 2 million youth members and about 800,000 adult members in 2014.

The overall impact of the BSA’s policy change on Girl Scouts membership won’t be known any time soon. But one regional leader, Fiona Cummings of Girl Scouts of Northern Illinois, believes the BSA’s decision to admit girls is among the factors that have shrunk her council’s youth membership by more than 500 girls so far this year.

She said relations with the Boy Scouts in her region used to be collaborative and now are “very chilly.”

“How do you manage these strategic tensions?” she asked. “We both need to increase our membership numbers.”

Surbaugh said BSA’s national leadership respected the Girl Scouts’ program and hoped both organizations could gain strength.

“If the best fit for your girl is the Girl Scouts, that’s fantastic,” he said. “If it’s not them, it might be us.”
 
Venturers (coed BSA branch that allows members up to 21 with less supervision than normal troops) don't seem to have a problem with scandalous teen sex happening all the time.

There are many, many valid arguments to be made about how it's important that young men can go to the Scouts for an environment where masculinity is ubiquitous and rewarded, and where boys without positive male role models can find men to look up to in the same troop that they find other boys to share that struggle with. I believe that for a lot of young men, the Scouts were the first place they ever found males worth being friends with or emulating. It's also the only socialization a lot of boys can get where the judgement of potential qt gf material isn't an issue.

Making it all gender-inclusive could potentially compromise that sort of thing if it isn't handled delicately. I don't think that super hot teens banging in the woods all the time is going to be the problem.

BSA is saying that girls will be in separate troops. I don't know how practical this will be, especially as the girl troops start up: it makes financial and organizational sense to just fold the 3 new girls into the active troop of 40 boys, and then in a few years when you have an equal number of boys and girls I'm guessing everyone will be so used to the way things are it won't make sense to separate. I suspect it will mostly be left up to the troops and the community how segregated they want to keep the girls from the boys.
 
BSA is saying that girls will be in separate troops. I don't know how practical this will be, especially as the girl troops start up: it makes financial and organizational sense to just fold the 3 new girls into the active troop of 40 boys, and then in a few years when you have an equal number of boys and girls I'm guessing everyone will be so used to the way things are it won't make sense to separate. I suspect it will mostly be left up to the troops and the community how segregated they want to keep the girls from the boys.

You can't have a troop with less than 5 registered (i.e. paying) members according to BSA policy. If I weren't convinced that the BSA is more desperate for money than they are spiteful towards progressives, i'd almost lean toward thinking that the separate troop policy was an attempt to enforce a soft ban on girls in areas where only 2 or 3 girls will be interested.

If that did turn out to be the case, I wouldn't care at all, because having only 1 or 2 girls in an otherwise all-male camp makes everybody act weird and changes the whole dynamic. You need either enough girls to form their own little community or none at all.
 
I know people are thinking this is yet another example of PC Culture run amok, but its actually the exact opposite. The BSA has been highly resistant to many of the cultural changes sweeping the landscape. For example, up until a couple years ago Atheists could not be Eagle Scouts, as one of the requirements used to be doing something for your religious leader. Could be any religion, but it had to be some form of spiritual belief. And then of course openly homosexual scout leaders were not allowed until very recently. Most Boy Scout troops are likewise sponsored by a church, religiously minded civic institution like the Masons, Ruritan Social Societies, or the Veterans groups like American Legion and VFW. You go to an American Legion meeting and try and bring up introducing non-binary gender pronouns in the formal discussions and your are liable to be found in a ditch the next morning.

Girl Scouts by comparison tend to be organized independently, and the GSA senior administration itself is an absolute hive of lesbians, SJWs and cringe tier feminists. This has translated into most conservatively minded people (pretty much all the people interested in scouting to begin with) wanting to put their daughters in the BSA program rather then the GSA program. BSA, also looking to bolster its numbers to fight the political headwinds has agreed to this notion. It will also allow them to dodge the Troon debate entirely.

IMO its a good thing.
 
The rigid, consistent and (most importantly) well-published requirements to become an Eagle Scout in the BSA have allowed that rank to be a genuine influencing factor on things like job applications, and I believe it even counts for a small increase in your starting rank if you join the military. .

In regards to this, this is true. When enlisting, there's a myriad of ways of leaving basic/boot camp as an E-2 and being an Eagle Scout is one of them.
 
Girl Scouts by comparison tend to be organized independently, and the GSA senior administration itself is an absolute hive of lesbians, SJWs and cringe tier feminists. This has translated into most conservatively minded people (pretty much all the people interested in scouting to begin with) wanting to put their daughters in the BSA program rather then the GSA program.

I thought most of those were switching to American Heritage Girls? I know they have a float at the memorial day parade here. (Also, yes, the GSA is a baby-branch of NOW, when it's not just a cookie slinging operation.)
 
For example, up until a couple years ago Atheists could not be Eagle Scouts, as one of the requirements used to be doing something for your religious leader. Could be any religion, but it had to be some form of spiritual belief.

I think this is still true. Some liberal troops and areas will let the requirement slide with a bare minimum, but it's still a requirement to believe in God at every level, and to do faith based activities at the Cub and Boy Scout level.

And I agree that this change is a result of them sticking to their conservative guns but needing to beef up membership numbers.
 
In Britain the Scouts are already mixed-sex. Iunno how the Scouts differ in America but I went to Scouts back when I was at that age and there were never any issues between the boys and the girls. I think the issue (as it is in Britain) is that there's still Girl Guides despite this.
 
I think this is still true. Some liberal troops and areas will let the requirement slide with a bare minimum, but it's still a requirement to believe in God at every level, and to do faith based activities at the Cub and Boy Scout level.

And I agree that this change is a result of them sticking to their conservative guns but needing to beef up membership numbers.

Yeah, this is correct. As far as i know a lot of the faith based activities aren't hard requirements, just ways to get nifty patches and medals for your uniform (meaning that any scout with priorities in mind will do them even if he's a hardline anti-theist, because pimping your uniform is always top of the list). You don't have to be part of an organized religion, but at the very least you have to be theistic. Even if you try to pull some spiritualistic shit out to get past it, they can just point to the part of the scout oath that says "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country" and throw your eagle application in the trash. I think polytheists are good, too, but that's probably just to avoid legal trouble with Hindus and such.

Edit: Did some research. There are official programs and medals for the Hindus and Buddhists, but not Wiccans. It looks like polytheists are allowed for sure.
 
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It's getting harder to find cookie pushers that aren't in their late teens with dyed hair playing on their phones.

Not to say I never dyed my hair, but I'd rather buy from little Susie with entrepreneurship aspirations as opposed to Xir who's mom is still making them attend Girl Scouts.
 
Yeah, this is correct. As far as i know a lot of the faith based activities aren't hard requirements, just ways to get nifty patches and medals for your uniform (meaning that any scout with priorities in mind will do them even if he's a hardline anti-theist, because pimping your uniform is always top of the list). You don't have to be part of an organized religion, but at the very least you have to be theistic. Even if you try to pull some spiritualistic shit out to get past it, they can just point to the part of the scout oath that says "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country" and throw your eagle application in the trash. I think polytheists are good, too, but that's probably just to avoid legal trouble with Hindus and such.

Edit: Did some research. There are official programs and medals for the Hindus and Buddhists, but not Wiccans. It looks like polytheists are allowed for sure.

I doubt there's much crossover between Wiccans and scouts.
 
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