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For 108 years, the Boy Scouts of America’s flagship program has been known simply as the Boy Scouts. With girls soon entering the ranks, the group says that iconic name will change.

The organization on Wednesday announced a new name for its Boy Scouts program: Scouts BSA. The change will take effect in February.

Chief Scout Executive Mike Surbaugh said many possibilities were considered during lengthy and “incredibly fun” deliberations before the new name was chosen.

“We wanted to land on something that evokes the past but also conveys the inclusive nature of the program going forward,” he said. “We’re trying to find the right way to say we’re here for both young men and young women.”

The parent organization will remain the Boy Scouts of America, and the Cub Scouts — its program serving children from kindergarten through fifth grade — will keep its title, as well.

But the Boy Scouts — the program for 11- to 17-year-olds — will now be Scouts BSA.

The organization already has started admitting girls into the Cub Scouts, and Scouts BSA begins accepting girls next year.

Surbaugh predicted that both boys and girls in Scouts BSA would refer to themselves simply as scouts, rather than adding “boy” or “girl.”

The program for the older boys and girls will largely be divided along gender-lines, with single-sex units pursuing the same types of activities, earning the same array of merit badges and potentially having the same pathway to the coveted Eagle Scout award.

Surbaugh said that having separate units for boys and girls should alleviate concerns that girls joining the BSA for the first time might be at a disadvantage in seeking leadership opportunities.

So far, more than 3,000 girls have joined roughly 170 Cub Scout packs participating in the first phase of the new policy, and the pace will intensify this summer under a nationwide multimedia recruitment campaign titled “Scout Me In.”

The name change comes amid strained relations between the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts of America.

Girl Scout leaders said they were blindsided by the move, and they are gearing up an aggressive campaign to recruit and retain girls as members.

Among the initiatives is creation of numerous new badges that girls can earn, focusing on outdoor activities and on science, engineering, technology and math. The organization is expanding corporate partnerships in both those areas, and developing a Girl Scout Network Page on LinkedIn to support career advancement for former Girl Scouts.

“Girl Scouts is the premier leadership development organization for girls,” said Sylvia Acevedo, the Girl Scouts’ CEO. “We are, and will remain, the first choice for girls and parents who want to provide their girls opportunities to build new skills ... and grow into happy, successful, civically engaged adults.”

The Girl Scouts and the BSA are among several major youth organizations in the U.S. experiencing sharp drops in membership in recent years. Reasons include competition from sports leagues, a perception by some families that they are old-fashioned and busy family schedules.

The Boy Scouts say current youth participation is about 2.3 million, down from 2.6 million in 2013 and more than 4 million in peak years of the past.

The Girl Scouts say they have about 1.76 million girls and more than 780,000 adult members, down from just over 2 million youth members and about 800,000 adult members in 2014.

The overall impact of the BSA’s policy change on Girl Scouts membership won’t be known any time soon. But one regional leader, Fiona Cummings of Girl Scouts of Northern Illinois, believes the BSA’s decision to admit girls is among the factors that have shrunk her council’s youth membership by more than 500 girls so far this year.

She said relations with the Boy Scouts in her region used to be collaborative and now are “very chilly.”

“How do you manage these strategic tensions?” she asked. “We both need to increase our membership numbers.”

Surbaugh said BSA’s national leadership respected the Girl Scouts’ program and hoped both organizations could gain strength.

“If the best fit for your girl is the Girl Scouts, that’s fantastic,” he said. “If it’s not them, it might be us.”
 
Girl scouts will continue only admitting girls, and will not be renamed as such.

No double standard here, move along everyone

I don't see why we need inclusive Boy Scouts when we have Girl Scouts. Never did any of that stuff so I don't know the difference. If Boy Scouts is more fun or something then why not just modify Girl Scouts to be the same?

I admit I have no idea what I'm talking about because I never got the appeal of scout troops when I was a kid. Also, Catholic school girls were forbidden by their Parishes to join Girl Scouts because they were pro-choice. I don't know if that's still an issue. Maybe this would be a work around?
 
I don't see why we need inclusive Boy Scouts when we have Girl Scouts. Never did any of that stuff so I don't know the difference. If Boy Scouts is more fun or something then why not just modify Girl Scouts to be the same?

I admit I have no idea what I'm talking about because I never got the appeal of scout troops when I was a kid. Also, Catholic school girls were forbidden by their Parishes to join Girl Scouts because they were pro-choice. I don't know if that's still an issue. Maybe this would be a work around?

A couple of posts earlier in the thread explain in greater detail, but the girls scouts fucking suck. They never do any scout-type outdoorsy shit unless they happen to have both an unusually good adult leader and scouts with unusually fun parents, because most of the leaders are cunty soccer moms and most of the parents don't want their girls going out into the woods. They mostly sell a lot of cookies.

The boy scouts, on the other hand, actually do fun stuff and learn skills worth having, and many of the more old-school branches parts of society will respect you just for having been a Boy scout. The differences between the two are so fundamental that changing one to be like the other would be a Herculean task.
 
The only reason why "adults" care about a 6th grader's after school club is because "Boy" is in the title. Nothing else.

People that do nothing but lay in their beds harming their eyes from the blue light radiating from their iPhones really care about kids that walk in the woods all day. :story:
 
The only thing that annoys me about this is it didn't happen when I was a kid. Girl Scouts exists but they suck ass at quality control when it comes to what troops do and while some do the same shit the boys do, others stick to tea parties and crafts, which is really aggravating for girls that want to do actual scouting shit.

Personally I'd be cool with Girl Scouts going gender neutral as well and just having it be the scouting organization that focuses on more craft type shit and cookies for kids more into that while Boy Scouts is for kids more into outdoorsy shit.
 
A couple of posts earlier in the thread explain in greater detail, but the girls scouts fucking suck. They never do any scout-type outdoorsy shit unless they happen to have both an unusually good adult leader and scouts with unusually fun parents, because most of the leaders are cunty soccer moms and most of the parents don't want their girls going out into the woods. They mostly sell a lot of cookies.

The boy scouts, on the other hand, actually do fun stuff and learn skills worth having, and many of the more old-school branches parts of society will respect you just for having been a Boy scout. The differences between the two are so fundamental that changing one to be like the other would be a Herculean task.

The absolute truth.
 
Many valid arguments to be made about how it's important that young men can go to the Scouts for an environment where masculinity is ubiquitous and rewarded, and where boys without positive male role models can find men to look up to in the same troop that they find other boys to share that struggle with. I believe that for a lot of young men, the Scouts were the first place they ever found males worth being friends with or emulating. It's also the only socialization a lot of boys can get where the judgement of potential qt gf material isn't an issue.

Making it all gender-inclusive could potentially compromise that sort of thing if it isn't handled delicately. I don't think that super hot teens banging in the woods all the time is going to be the problem.
Pretty much exactly this.

Guys act significantly different when girls aren't around. It's just a fact. Girls cause guys to get competitive, show off, bully, try to act "Alpha", and various other unfortunate and stupid behaviors.

Without girls causing that, a group of guys will generally be themselves, work out their own social hierarchy, and learn to work together to get shit done. They have to act like actual men.

Leaders learn how to lead and individuals learn some responsibility. If you're lazy and won't set up your tent, have fun sleeping outside.

That entire dynamic goes away when girls are added into the mix with teenage boys.

This entire change is happening because membership was dropping, so they decided to get WOKE and appeal to the SJW crowd in hopes of recouping sheckels.

The end result will effectively kill off Scouting, most likely.
 
Pretty much exactly this.

Guys act significantly different when girls aren't around. It's just a fact. Girls cause guys to get competitive, show off, bully, try to act "Alpha", and various other unfortunate and stupid behaviors.

Without girls causing that, a group of guys will generally be themselves, work out their own social hierarchy, and learn to work together to get shit done. They have to act like actual men.

Leaders learn how to lead and individuals learn some responsibility. If you're lazy and won't set up your tent, have fun sleeping outside.

That entire dynamic goes away when girls are added into the mix with teenage boys.

This entire change is happening because membership was dropping, so they decided to get WOKE and appeal to the SJW crowd in hopes of recouping sheckels.

The end result will effectively kill off Scouting, most likely.
your post was good until you acted like a fucking sperg and cried "sjw"
 
Guys act significantly different when girls aren't around. It's just a fact. Girls cause guys to get competitive, show off, bully, try to act "Alpha", and various other unfortunate and stupid behaviors.

Wait, wasn't someone else claiming that it was not having girls around that lead to Lord of the Flies shit, where they bullied each other and started reenacting all the ball-kicking scenes from Jackass?

Which is it?

Also, scouting is going to die off either way. Kids don't like the outside anymore.
 
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This, I don't know why so many people are sperging out about sjws since this is clearly a muh shekels thing as opposed to a social justice thing.

Probably could lead to sjw'ism as men compete and stop bantering.
 
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Wait, wasn't someone else claiming that it was not having girls around that lead to Lord of the Flies shit, where they bullied each other and started reenacting all the ball-kicking scenes from Jackass?

Which is it?

I've been involved with a lot of scout related stuff and never seen any lord of the flies type shit. Usually the only time you have to deal with the boys bullying each other is when one little fag won't do any work and the other kids give him shit about it until he cries. Basically it's just an issue of interrupting the natural process of weeding out the kids who have no desire to improve because the parents who raise little fags who won't work tend to be the same parents who will start a shitstorm over their kid getting bullied. That's not to say that real bullies don't exist in the scouts, it's just that they don't tend to last very long in that environment because they constantly get bitched at, and unlike school, they have to pay for it. So basically I can say for sure that the single-gender setup doesn't breed bullying inherently.

Also, scouting is going to die off either way. Kids don't like the outside anymore.

As for this, well, it's only true in principle. I fully expect the kind of scouting where you tie knots, go hiking, and build campfires to continue dwindling heavily in popularity among the younger (11-16) demographics that constitute the majority of the scouts.

However, the BSA is more than aware enough to have been observing the same trend we have, and they're shifting toward the new interests. Programming, game design, robotics, video editing, graphic design; there's merit badges for all that shit now. It used to be that a new merit badge took years and years to be accepted into the official list, but now they pump a new one out in months. I taught at a summer camp recently where the kids built and programmed actual robots, and they ate that shit up like you wouldn't believe.

So, yeah. The boy scouts as we know them are on the way out, but so is the lifestyle where the average kid can walk into the woods and make a bow out of tree branches for fun, so there's no demand to teach them how to do that anymore. There are going to be a lot more robot mechanics in the future than foresters. I hate this, but that's how it is.
 
The Girl Scouts officially are against this move. A spokesperson basically (and rightly) called the BSA out on this:



The BSA basically crawled so far up the LDS's ass, that this is part of their misguided attempt to fix that.

From the Girls Scout's website:



Essentially, they see the Boy Scouts doing this as an attempt to steal from their recruitment pool for cookie sales. The GSA thinks the Boy Scouts should STAY the Boy Scouts. And United Way already has Camp Fire, which was coed a zillion years ago.

Unfortunately, the GSA is very much on the "inclusive" train, hardcore, so they accept boys who identify as girls.

The LDS is already rolling out their new scouting thing. They bailed last year, I think, and moved onto something more Mormon flavored, that they could control directly. Basically, the LDS controlled BSA kept running into gay-trouble and First Amendment trouble, etc, and now what's left of the non-Mormon BSA picked this move as an attempt to salvage the situation.


Which puts the BSA in a stupid situation because the Mormons fund a good percent of the entire organizations funding. If they pull out, it's shit all.
Who cares...I was never an eagle scout so now it means nothing!
 
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The old guys in the Navy I knew said that the smell improved and water use went way up when they integrated the ships as coed.

Yeah, and the BSA has always been a pre-military pipeline. Now that the military is so gender integrated, it was only a matter of time before BSA became coed so that that girls could get their Scout training too. And I shed no tears for the idea that boys can only act like regular people when there are other boys around. Maybe this is a good opportunity to learn how to interact with girls as though they're normal people.

Which puts the BSA in a stupid situation because the Mormons fund a good percent of the entire organizations funding. If they pull out, it's shit all.
Who cares...I was never an eagle scout so now it means nothing!

The LDS already pulled out. The BSA knows it's in deep shit and this is how they're solving the problem.
 
Wait, wasn't someone else claiming that it was not having girls around that lead to Lord of the Flies shit, where they bullied each other and started reenacting all the ball-kicking scenes from Jackass?

Which is it?
It's both. Most of the "Lord of the Flies" stuff is a sort of strange establishing of a pecking order. It's rarely just bullying for no reason or just to show off.

The kid that won't shut the fuck up during ceremonies and such is probably gonna occasionally get sack-tapped or dope-smacked until he stops. The kid who stinks because he won't take a shower is gonna get made fun of and have soap tossed at him until he gets the picture. But once they correct their behavior, the bullying stops and they're back to being one of the guys.

If someone is being an annoying little shit, he's gonna catch trouble for it until he shapes up. And experiencing the DIRECT consequences in that way tends to make guys shape up fast.

your post was good until you acted like a fucking sperg and cried "sjw"

I derped and forgot to include some explanation there. My bad.

I meant to compare them to Marvel Comics desperately trying to appeal to the very SJWs that criticised them as their next "big market" and turning into a money-bleeding dumpster fire as a result.

I see the Boy Scouts doing the same thing by trying to cater to the whiners that wanted girls included, completely alienating their old guard.

Instead of trying to show that what they have going is unique and having good results, they're trying to do like many other failing businesses do and going after a demographic that they hope will replace their original supporters.
 
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Y'know now that I think of it, how has someone not cashed in on the stunted adults that would probably buy into a scouting program for adult millenials? Someone could probably make bank teaching the low-T guys basic survival skills like chopping wood and budgeting and and cooking AND give them subtly mocking merit badges for it.
 
Y'know now that I think of it, how has someone not cashed in on the stunted adults that would probably buy into a scouting program for adult millenials? Someone could probably make bank teaching the low-T guys basic survival skills like chopping wood and budgeting and and cooking AND give them subtly mocking merit badges for it.

I can say to you with absolute honesty that I would steal this idea right here and right now if I had the capital to build a camp. This is going on the list of things I'm going to always be upset about missing out on because they're fucking hilarious but I have to blow my time on an actual job.
 
Y'know now that I think of it, how has someone not cashed in on the stunted adults that would probably buy into a scouting program for adult millenials? Someone could probably make bank teaching the low-T guys basic survival skills like chopping wood and budgeting and and cooking AND give them subtly mocking merit badges for it.

There are actually a ton of those already. I have a cousin that went to one where the point was "digital detoxing."
 
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