Culture Brandon Sanderson Affirms Script Writers Pitch IP Projects To Use The IP As A Skinsuit For Their Own Story

Brandon Sanderson, the author of the Mistborn series, affirmed that Hollywood scriptwriters intentionally pitch IP projects so they can use them as skinsuits to tell their own stories.

In a post to the LoTR Memes subreddit in October, Sanderson shared an anecdote about how one of his lesser known stories Emperor’s Soul was options for a Hollywood project.

After explaining how the writer for the project was the one who pitched it and eventually convinced the studio to option the rights, Sanderson revealed that when he eventually got his hands on the script it was nothing like his novel and described it as “one of the most bizarre experiences of my life.”

“The character names were, largely, the same, though nothing that happened to them was remotely similar to the story. Emperor's Soul is a small-scale character drama that takes place largely in one room, with discussions of the nature of art between two characters who approach the idea differently,” Sanderson shared. “The screenplay detailed an expansive fantasy epic with a new love interest for the main character (a pirate captain.) They globe-trotted, they fought monsters, they explored a world largely unrelated to mine, save for a few words here and there.”

Next, Sanderson explained why the script was so different from his novel, which it was supposed to be adapting, “Hollywood doesn't buy spec scripts (original ideas) from screenwriters very often, and they NEVER buy spec scripts that are epic fantasy. Those are too big, too expensive, and too daunting: they are the sorts of stories where the producers and executives need the proof of an established book series to justify the production.”

“So this writer never had a chance to tell his own epic fantasy story, though he wanted to. Instead, he found a popularish story that nobody had snatched up, and used it as a means to tell the story he'd always wanted to tell, because he'd never otherwise have a chance of getting it made,” he shared.

Sanderson then concluded that this was not a one-time deal, but is a major problem within Hollywood and is one of the many issues affecting the so-called adaptations that are currently being made. “I'm convinced this is part of the issue with some of these adaptations; screenwriters and directors are creative, and want to tell their own stories, but it's almost impossible to get those made in things like the fantasy genre unless you're a huge established name like Cameron.”

“I'm not saying they all do this deliberately, as that screenwriter did for my work, but I think it's an unconscious influence,” he continued. “They want to tell their stories, and this is the allowed method, so when given the chance at freedom they go off the rails, and the execs don't know the genre or property well enough to understand why this can lead to disaster.”

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Sanderson is not the only one to point this out. In March 2023, the Dungeon & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves directors John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein admitted to this practice while promoting their film.

The duo were asked by Variety, “To be able to do the kind of storytelling at the level you want to do it, do you feel you have to find a way into a franchise versus writing an original story?”

Goldstein replied, “Using existing IP certainly greases the wheels. Any meeting we have with a studio head starts with, “Here’s four things we own — got any interest?” To some extent, I think we use intellectual property as a bit of a costume to get ourselves in the door. We’re still going to make the movie that we want to make. It just makes it all a bit easier to get it going if it has something that people are very familiar with.”

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power showrunners similarly noted they were planning to write the book that Tolkien never wrote despite the fact the show is set in the Second Age and Tolkien wrote The Silmarillion, a whole book that his son Christopher published that details the major events of the First Age and the Second Age.

Nevertheless Rings of Power showrunner Patrick McKay told Vanity Fair that the driving question for the show was: “Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series that could only happen now?”

What do you make of Sanderson’s anecdote and his speculation that this leads to a number of problems with current Hollywood adaptations?


 
Post original three Jackson films the LotR movie-verse has been straight up trash but lets be real here, the Sillmarillon was not fit for the big screen. Even reading it in book form is more a chore than a treat.
There shouldn't have been anything past Return of the King. 11 oscar, satisfying ( tho obviously not complete, no scouring of the shire etc) ending. They should have let it lay there. But, Christopher grew old then died, and now LotR is getting slop'd up.
 
What MMO has ever had a shred of worthwhile story? It would take some hard evidence to convince me the answer is anything other than "none".
SWTOR had 8 good stories at the start. The Imperial Agent being the best by most people's standards. Considering they killed the game focusing on story they better have a good one.
 
Not that it needed to be said, but this explains the Castlevania and Devil May Cry from Netflix. Castlevania started off good, for the Season 1 four episodes, then it got weird, and finished decently enough if you forget a majority of what happened between Alucard waking up and Trevor fighting Death.

Then we get Richter's story, which is in France for some reason, and there's a former Haitian slave girl lecturing people about patriarchy. Orlox is apparently Aztec and all he does is scare Richter and sleep with a random human. I'd hate to say it, but I can see a good setup for a vampire slaying story with the French Aristocracy; but it feels more like progressive revenge story as most of the smart/strong characters are brown women.

Then there's Devil May Cry, which as hundreds have already said; mid-2000's anti-Bush/Middle East sentiment. Literally 20 years too fucking late, on top of butchering all the characters.
 
Joker "worked" because marketing made all the normies and NPCs go see a movie they wouldn't have without the IP attached, that plus the IP meant they were allowed a bigger budget than they would have if it didn't have an IP attached
You are also forgetting the much more impactful Streissand effect of making it the "incel movie". That did a lot more to get asses in theaters than the joker brand.
 
You are also forgetting the much more impactful Streissand effect of making it the "incel movie". That did a lot more to get asses in theaters than the joker brand.
I think Joker worked well as a Batman setting movie in a Shin Godzilla sort of way
another "very weirdly grounded take on a single Bat-baddie" could have worked quite well instead of... Joker 2.
 
vampire slaying story with the French Aristocracy
A vampire story for Louis 'The Sun King' would have been kino. Multiple of his mistresses were executed for witchcraft lol and he constantly moved all over France with his entire aristocracy kept around his trying to suck up to him and scheme amongst themselves so you show every province and regional culture and their supernatural folklore.
 
You cannot possibly imagine how fucking mad this makes me.
Tell me about it. I've been on an autistic LotR binge recently and there's no other IP that's more shameful to do this shit to. Not only because of the themes of the overall story, but how expansive the universe is.

I'm completely on board with new adaptations leaning on alternative perspectives or shifting to unique and interesting directions. Hell, I love it when it's done well TBH, but it's a sin to make fundamental changes with no rhyme or reason. It's even worse when the rhyme or reason is simply because of nigger or fag worship since that shit is so hollow.
At launch, World of Warcraft's story was "humans and orcs fucking hate each other and want them to die, and also there are some other races that hate each other too". Pretty good if you ask me.
Eh, yes and no. The Warcrafts had a great story, but WoW itself turned into a mess. Especially after WotLK since Chris Metzen never bothered to develop the story while they killed off all the interesting villains (other than Sargeras and Deathwing) and Thrall becoming orc Jesus. It's hilarious how they released 'WoW Chronicles' to retcon shit and fix the story, then immediately start retconning shit they already retconned.

There were some vaguely intriguing aspects, like the old gods, Sylvanas, and Illidan's redemption though. I don't keep up with it nearly as much as I used to, but it seems like they at least have a roadmap for the story that extends beyond the next expansion. It's hilarious that it only took them 20 years to think that was a good idea.
 
A vampire story for Louis 'The Sun King' would have been kino. Multiple of his mistresses were executed for witchcraft lol and he constantly moved all over France with his entire aristocracy kept around his trying to suck up to him and scheme amongst themselves so you show every province and regional culture and their supernatural folklore.
They unironically chose an interesting premise; and use it to have some former Haitian slave girl lecture about patriarchy while running any characterization of Richter Belmont and Maria Renard through the shredder. Both games involving Richter take place in 1792 and 1797 (way past Louis XIV) and since Castlevania is very loosely based on Uncle Vlad, up until they started getting really fast and loose where you're not directly fighting Dracula (or shit goes entirely off the rails, like with Aria of Sorrow), there's no reason to believe it never takes place outside of Wallachia/Romania. They could've used an entirely new character, a cousin/relative/another, and written a unique vampire killing adventure without using any of the namesakes of Castlevania; instead they take a few namesakes and use it to lecture the modern audience, while trying to make diversity, a singing demon, and gay vampire sex relevant.
 
Tell me about it. I've been on an autistic LotR binge recently and there's no other IP that's more shameful to do this shit to. Not only because of the themes of the overall story, but how expansive the universe is.

I'm completely on board with new adaptations leaning on alternative perspectives or shifting to unique and interesting directions. Hell, I love it when it's done well TBH, but it's a sin to make fundamental changes with no rhyme or reason. It's even worse when the rhyme or reason is simply because of nigger or fag worship since that shit is so hollow.

Eh, yes and no. The Warcrafts had a great story, but WoW itself turned into a mess. Especially after WotLK since Chris Metzen never bothered to develop the story while they killed off all the interesting villains (other than Sargeras and Deathwing) and Thrall becoming orc Jesus. It's hilarious how they released 'WoW Chronicles' to retcon shit and fix the story, then immediately start retconning shit they already retconned.

There were some vaguely intriguing aspects, like the old gods, Sylvanas, and Illidan's redemption though. I don't keep up with it nearly as much as I used to, but it seems like they at least have a roadmap for the story that extends beyond the next expansion. It's hilarious that it only took them 20 years to think that was a good idea.
I thought the WoD story was cool. Retarded, and amounted to nothing, but still cool.
 
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I suspect a lot of it is industry creatives would love to make their “own stuff” but can’t because it’s not an established IP.

A movie or TV show only fantasy franchise is a massive risk-with no established book series or fanbase, no executive would ever green light it.

Hollywood despite its politics is actually deeply conservative as far as risk is concerned. If there isn’t a guaranteed windfall, or at least breaking even-then it’s a non starter.

Add in other pressures like the pandemic and streaming services, market saturation, etc… and this will continue for a long time.
 
No shit, and it is 1000% on purpose. Why? Because in the past you had many creatives who were completely autistic and did shit like cutting down trees and shipping them overseas to be remounted in sets because of the way they looked for less than 30 seconds of filming. The reality is, creatives when not reigned in, are really fucking autistic and really fucking expensive. That's why Hollywood doesn't hire fans. It's better for the studio to let directors become a fan of a franchise and learn it as they go instead of being a fanatic and having crazy ambitions and ideas that are both expensive and won't pan out. Especially when they haven't proved their worth.

The problem is we now reached the natural apex of the opposite side where the writers suck and can't write. The directors suck and can't direct and there aren't really many passion projects anymore. There's a healthy balance between creative and studio, and that's what always produced the best outcome. Studio restrictions at their best make creatives work smarter and better. Creatives at their best keep studio and profits in mind when doing their movies. You can't let one completely dominate the other.
 
Nepotism is a severely underrated reason for Hollywood’s malaise. For all their squawking about ‘diversity’, the #1 determinant of success in Hollywood is whether you’ve had a bat/bar mitzvah.
There's a screenwriting message board Craig Mazin was on some years back and he swore up, down, and sideways that nepotism did not exist in Hollywood at all, especially in screenwriting, and I thought that it must be the one and only endeavor in all of human history that was only guided by merit and not at all by "it ain't what you know, it's who you know." No one has ever used family connections or had a father make a call to get a pitch meeting set up or a paint-by-the-numbers writing assignment for a direct-to-video project ever. Nope, no sir, no how.
 
There's a screenwriting message board Craig Mazin was on some years back and he swore up, down, and sideways that nepotism did not exist in Hollywood at all
No need to look up ‘early life’.
To clarify, when almost every role and function in almost every movie is filled by people with the same cultural background and beliefs, a situation is naturally created in which merit matters less than connections. Good ideas in scriptwriting used to be what got you attention (like Crichton and Esterhasz). Now it’s whether your uncle knows Chris Pine or you share an apartment with one of some director’s rent boys.
We are seeing the death of an industry because every product is informed by the same political viewpoint and culture-checked a hundred times before the neg is in the can.
We need mavericks and auteurs back, people not from the usual (((nepo baby))) pipeline to success.
 
There's a screenwriting message board Craig Mazin was on some years back and he swore up, down, and sideways that nepotism did not exist in Hollywood at all, especially in screenwriting, and I thought that it must be the one and only endeavor in all of human history that was only guided by merit and not at all by "it ain't what you know, it's who you know." No one has ever used family connections or had a father make a call to get a pitch meeting set up or a paint-by-the-numbers writing assignment for a direct-to-video project ever. Nope, no sir, no how.
JJ Abrams has literally built up patronage networks-alex kurtzman among other directors have gotten where they are because he recommended them.

Will Smith's son was even in that horrific sci fi movie(there have been other cases where the children or relatives of big name actors got roles far beyond their merits).

A good word from a producer means projects, it means your scripts get attention, when you don't know anybody you are lucky to get an overpriced apartment waiting tables.

Claiming there is no nepotism in Hollywood is just a laughably disprovable lie.
 
Say what you will about GRR Martin, but this is exactly why he forced anyone asking to adapt GOT to take a test, if you weren't a super fan you didn't deserve the rights, plus a fan probably isn't going to rape an IP as badly as someone who just sees it as a skinsuit. Why that didn't become a standard i don't know
Considering they've turned House of the Dragon into a literal gay fanfiction where Yass Kween Rhaenyra can do nothing wrong and she and Alicent are star crossed lesbian lovers, George seems to have severely slipped in his vetting of showrunners.
 
. “I'm convinced this is part of the issue with some of these adaptations; screenwriters and directors are creative, and want to tell their own stories, but it's almost impossible to get those made in things like the fantasy genre unless you're a huge established name like Cameron.”
Most of these screenwriters who want to use [Established IP with built in audience] to tell 'their story' just flat out suck at good storytelling, let alone laundering their 'values' into the story in a discreet or convincing way.

But Hollywood butchering and bastardizing novels is a phenomenon that has been commented on for over 50 years.
Say what you will about GRR Martin, but this is exactly why he forced anyone asking to adapt GOT to take a test, if you weren't a super fan you didn't deserve the rights, plus a fan probably isn't going to rape an IP as badly as someone who just sees it as a skinsuit. Why that didn't become a standard i don't know
Sure. I'll say that George needs to sit his fat ass down and finish ASOIAF, or hire someone else to.

Most writers are whores who give less than a damn about 'MUH ART' and will gladly bend over and spread for the correct number of zeroes on a check. There is a small contingent of purity autists, or those who have been fucked over so hard once by (((Hollywood))) that they refused to have any further dealings the movie industry (Willa Cather).

A series that was practically made for multiple films is Command & Conquer(Tiberium and Red Alert timelines). But, EA, being known paint-lickers, will never allow this to happen.
 
A series that was practically made for multiple films is Command & Conquer(Tiberium and Red Alert timelines). But, EA, being known paint-lickers, will never allow this to happen.
I fucking loved the OG Red Alert, especially the goofy Giant Ant missions. RA2 was okay but you could feel the campiness setting in, and RA3A went full camp (big ups to Tim Curry). There's an interesting alternate history in there, but never gonna happen... as much as I'd love to see weaponized Tesla Coils, double-barreled tanks, and all the other silly shit.
 
(big ups to Tim Curry)
I get the feeling they just went "Yeah, you know what, just be the most outlandishly evil Soviet dictator you think you can be" and it worked out magnificently.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to pour one out for our beloved Comrade Cherdenko on account of Musk and Bezos corrupting space with their foul capitalism before he had time to escape there.
 
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