Culture Brandon Sanderson Affirms Script Writers Pitch IP Projects To Use The IP As A Skinsuit For Their Own Story

Brandon Sanderson, the author of the Mistborn series, affirmed that Hollywood scriptwriters intentionally pitch IP projects so they can use them as skinsuits to tell their own stories.

In a post to the LoTR Memes subreddit in October, Sanderson shared an anecdote about how one of his lesser known stories Emperor’s Soul was options for a Hollywood project.

After explaining how the writer for the project was the one who pitched it and eventually convinced the studio to option the rights, Sanderson revealed that when he eventually got his hands on the script it was nothing like his novel and described it as “one of the most bizarre experiences of my life.”

“The character names were, largely, the same, though nothing that happened to them was remotely similar to the story. Emperor's Soul is a small-scale character drama that takes place largely in one room, with discussions of the nature of art between two characters who approach the idea differently,” Sanderson shared. “The screenplay detailed an expansive fantasy epic with a new love interest for the main character (a pirate captain.) They globe-trotted, they fought monsters, they explored a world largely unrelated to mine, save for a few words here and there.”

Next, Sanderson explained why the script was so different from his novel, which it was supposed to be adapting, “Hollywood doesn't buy spec scripts (original ideas) from screenwriters very often, and they NEVER buy spec scripts that are epic fantasy. Those are too big, too expensive, and too daunting: they are the sorts of stories where the producers and executives need the proof of an established book series to justify the production.”

“So this writer never had a chance to tell his own epic fantasy story, though he wanted to. Instead, he found a popularish story that nobody had snatched up, and used it as a means to tell the story he'd always wanted to tell, because he'd never otherwise have a chance of getting it made,” he shared.

Sanderson then concluded that this was not a one-time deal, but is a major problem within Hollywood and is one of the many issues affecting the so-called adaptations that are currently being made. “I'm convinced this is part of the issue with some of these adaptations; screenwriters and directors are creative, and want to tell their own stories, but it's almost impossible to get those made in things like the fantasy genre unless you're a huge established name like Cameron.”

“I'm not saying they all do this deliberately, as that screenwriter did for my work, but I think it's an unconscious influence,” he continued. “They want to tell their stories, and this is the allowed method, so when given the chance at freedom they go off the rails, and the execs don't know the genre or property well enough to understand why this can lead to disaster.”

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Sanderson is not the only one to point this out. In March 2023, the Dungeon & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves directors John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein admitted to this practice while promoting their film.

The duo were asked by Variety, “To be able to do the kind of storytelling at the level you want to do it, do you feel you have to find a way into a franchise versus writing an original story?”

Goldstein replied, “Using existing IP certainly greases the wheels. Any meeting we have with a studio head starts with, “Here’s four things we own — got any interest?” To some extent, I think we use intellectual property as a bit of a costume to get ourselves in the door. We’re still going to make the movie that we want to make. It just makes it all a bit easier to get it going if it has something that people are very familiar with.”

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power showrunners similarly noted they were planning to write the book that Tolkien never wrote despite the fact the show is set in the Second Age and Tolkien wrote The Silmarillion, a whole book that his son Christopher published that details the major events of the First Age and the Second Age.

Nevertheless Rings of Power showrunner Patrick McKay told Vanity Fair that the driving question for the show was: “Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series that could only happen now?”

What do you make of Sanderson’s anecdote and his speculation that this leads to a number of problems with current Hollywood adaptations?


 
A vampire story for Louis 'The Sun King' would have been kino. Multiple of his mistresses were executed for witchcraft lol and he constantly moved all over France with his entire aristocracy kept around his trying to suck up to him and scheme amongst themselves so you show every province and regional culture and their supernatural folklore.
A Dracula based story could work. Have Du Barry be the Lucy Westerna and then Marie Antoinette shows up in the finale as the Mina Harker or the Dorothy Gale who stakes her to death.
 
Apple’s Foundation “adaptation” is the odd duck in the modern stable of similar bullshit. It follows the same skinsuit strategy where the original story is bastardized to the point of being almost incoherent and crammed to bursting with urbanite culture war shit which the author then uses as a vehicle to tell their fan fiction.

Except, in Foundation’s case, the original story was for decades considered infamously difficult-or-impossible to adapt to screen and the fan fiction is actually Decent Stuff played by a Good Actor (Lee Pace).

I would legitimately look forward each week to watching a new SciFi IP dedicated to the Imperial Genetic Dynasty (the fanfic crammed into Foundation) but instead I just wait for a season to end and then skip to the Good Shit. Makes for a pretty good evening of modern TV, hard to come by these days.
This sort of reminds me of the interesting mess that was Starz's adaptation of American Gods, or at least before it fell apart completely. It was both a very accurate and a very inaccurate adaptation of the book... it followed the plot pretty closely, but the themes it explored were a 180 from the book, and not in a good way but in a woke way. But it was still very well made and pretty interesting.

Of course, you can expect a Bryan Fuller show to be good. And you can also expect him to (this is my interpretation of events) jump ship the second the studio execs start telling him to do things with his shows that he doesn't want to do, because he always does. So he left after the first season (which ended right before a plot event you would have expected it to cover, a la Dune), and many cast members left with him. And I just gave up on it after that.

There shouldn't have been anything past Return of the King. 11 oscar, satisfying ( tho obviously not complete, no scouring of the shire etc) ending. They should have let it lay there. But, Christopher grew old then died, and now LotR is getting slop'd up.
There's nothing wrong with adapting The Hobbit into (two) films... but Jackson was right to fear he was the wrong person to do it because he would be competing with the LotR trilogy. If only Guillermo de Toro had been able to direct...

What's coming next is going to be terribad.
 
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Most of these screenwriters who want to use [Established IP with built in audience] to tell 'their story' just flat out suck at good storytelling, let alone laundering their 'values' into the story in a discreet or convincing way.

But Hollywood butchering and bastardizing novels is a phenomenon that has been commented on for over 50 years.

Sure. I'll say that George needs to sit his fat ass down and finish ASOIAF, or hire someone else to.

Most writers are whores who give less than a damn about 'MUH ART' and will gladly bend over and spread for the correct number of zeroes on a check. There is a small contingent of purity autists, or those who have been fucked over so hard once by (((Hollywood))) that they refused to have any further dealings the movie industry (Willa Cather).

A series that was practically made for multiple films is Command & Conquer(Tiberium and Red Alert timelines). But, EA, being known paint-lickers, will never allow this to happen.
Lucky for us, EA's intransigence means they'll never sully Kane's name with a shitty live action show. Especially after what they did to HALO.
 
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In March 2023, the Dungeon & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves directors John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein admitted to this practice while promoting their film.
That was a pretty good movie and seemed pretty true to the IP imo.
 
Then you have to learn how to make money with your creative work outside a system where giant corporations fund it to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

It's the same story in games, in music. You want the easy life of steady corporate paychecks? Yeah guess what. That's called a job and you just lost all creative control. You can only be so creative with other people's money. Risk and reward go hand in hand in our economy.

You want creative control? Get your own audience that will fund what you make. You might have to start with small projects that don't cost $300 million, though.
Reminds me of the cluster fuck that was the Owl House and Amphibia. Both were produced by Brand whores who thought having Disney's corporate brand slapped on their product was hyper important/THE most important thing about their show and meant it was superior to any other indie produced show. But while the show runner of Amphibia was willing to cave on things to earn corporate trust to get their way on other things (like a violent stabbing scene), Owl House's show runner though being Alex Hirsch's cock sleeve would mean she could be as loudly and obnoxiously toxicly woke as humanly possible and got her show buried and prematurely cancelled and the show runner blackballed.
 
Reminds me of the cluster fuck that was the Owl House and Amphibia. Both were produced by Brand whores who thought having Disney's corporate brand slapped on their product was hyper important/THE most important thing about their show and meant it was superior to any other indie produced show. But while the show runner of Amphibia was willing to cave on things to earn corporate trust to get their way on other things (like a violent stabbing scene), Owl House's show runner though being Alex Hirsch's cock sleeve would mean she could be as loudly and obnoxiously toxicly woke as humanly possible and got her show buried and prematurely cancelled and the show runner blackballed.
Lol what?

Not to derail the thread but what did Dana Terrace do to get blackballed?

I get that she is a Glendale lib, which is a turbo version of a Californian lib, but so is everybody in the Disney animation ecosystem (and the one who aren't know better to keep their mouths shut).

And as far as i know she got what she wanted right? isn't her crap Owl House show full of the gays?

I thought that show got the shaft simply because it fucking sucked.
 
She basically got pissy that Disney wanted Owl House's gay shit in isolated scenes that could easy be cut for foreign markets. Along with using social media to shit on Disney for not being hyperwoke and showing any sort of interaction with conservatives that wasn't telling them to die in a fire.
 
She basically got pissy that Disney wanted Owl House's gay shit in isolated scenes that could easy be cut for foreign markets. Along with using social media to shit on Disney for not being hyperwoke and showing any sort of interaction with conservatives that wasn't telling them to die in a fire.
Haha, oh man spitting right on the plate...
She and Hirsch thought they were hot shit because of Gravity Falls being a hit huh?

Now Hirsch can't get shit done on Netflix and Terrace has to do low budget shit on Glitch just to play second fiddle to meme shit like Digital Circus, good job👍
 
Brandon Sanderson wrote one of the most important phrases that has honestly become a foundational part of my moral ethos.

"I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted."
 
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I get the feeling they just went "Yeah, you know what, just be the most outlandishly evil Soviet dictator you think you can be" and it worked out magnificently.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to pour one out for our beloved Comrade Cherdenko on account of Musk and Bezos corrupting space with their foul capitalism before he had time to escape there.
basically any time you can go "hey Tim Curry, here's some scenery. Get chomping." is a great time
 
I get the feeling they just went "Yeah, you know what, just be the most outlandishly evil Soviet dictator you think you can be" and it worked out magnificently.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to pour one out for our beloved Comrade Cherdenko on account of Musk and Bezos corrupting space with their foul capitalism before he had time to escape there.
SPAAAAAACE!
 
What MMO has ever had a shred of worthwhile story? It would take some hard evidence to convince me the answer is anything other than "none".
About half of original SWTOR and a fair chunk of vanilla WoW. Hell I'd argue WoW all the way to TBC if they hadn't slapped the Outland trio with the crazy bat.
 
Nepotism ain't the problem. Nepotism gave us the Hustons, the Barrymores, the Sheens, etc.

The problem is when the children in question have no talent. Like, the son of Will Smith ain't even remotely attractive despite both of his parents are ok looking.

Unfortunately, for every Kate Hudson we have a Rumer Willis. Talent is genetic, but some times genes skip a generation.
 
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Shit. This stuff goes back at least as far as Wide Sargasso Sea which is shitty Jane Eyre fanfiction. (It might even go back farther than that, that's just the earliest instance I can think of.) At least 50 Shades recast weird Twilight fanfiction into something that stood alone as its own thing.
 
Agreed. Everyone forgets the slop the show turned into after D&D ran out of book material to adapt.


As woke as Disney is now I sincerely wonder how much more woke this crazy bint wanted them to be
To be fair, EVERYONE thought Winds of Winter would be done by season three at the latest.

And well known D&D were willing to go on hiatus after season four/adapting A Storm of Swords, due to them wanting to adapt the Red Wedding arc being their chief motivation for wanting to make GOT and that they never expected it to be a big titted hit and Martin to go full lazy fuck mode on the and simply give them the cliff notes version of how the story ended instead of finishing the fucking story.
 
Agreed. Everyone forgets the slop the show turned into after D&D ran out of book material to adapt.
Even before that. They really plebbed up the original material. I think D&D thought they were reading a political intrigue series with elements of fantasy, rather than a fantasy series with elements of political intrigue.

Even Martin, as nicely as possible, tried to suggest D&D didn't understand his characters
And well known D&D were willing to go on hiatus after season four/adapting A Storm of Swords, due to them wanting to adapt the Red Wedding arc being their chief motivation for wanting to make GOT and that they never expected it to be a big titted hit and Martin to go full lazy fuck mode on the and simply give them the cliff notes version of how the story ended instead of finishing the fucking story.
I'd buy that argument if they didn't just go full fanfiction with A Feast For Crows and Dance With Dragons. Even the back half of Storm of Swords was fanfiction-y
 
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