But what are your thoughts on yaoi?

All I'm going to say is this.

I do NOT like how many, many, many of the stories in this genre heavily romanticize sexual harassment and sometimes rape.

Junjou Romantica being one of the most popular yaoi on the community is not a good sign at all.
I feel like rape porn is way too normalized in general. You see a LOT of it in 3d porn and especially hentai. Yaoi has had a huge problem with rape since its inception (see Kaze to ki no uta, considered the first yaoi manga), though I think the western slash fanzine movement that started in the 60s didn't have that problem.
 
Penis envy is the life of yaoi. Its male characters are written by women to act as stand ins for women so a lot of lesbians with penis envy project themselves into them. Thats how a lot of them end up in the FTM (Fujoshi to maimed) pipeline and become pooners when they get way too involved in that fantasy.

Gay men usually read other kind of gay manga like that genre with the buff hairy dudes and very rarely project themselves in yaoi.
 
Penis envy is the life of yaoi. Its male characters are written by women to act as stand ins for women so a lot of lesbians with penis envy project themselves into them. Thats how a lot of them end up in the FTM (Fujoshi to maimed) pipeline and become pooners when they get way too involved in that fantasy.

Gay men usually read other kind of gay manga like that genre with the buff hairy dudes and very rarely project themselves in yaoi.
That's another point I see all the time about yaoi - that the whole point is self inserting. In my experience talking to other fujos, that's very rare. The appeal to most women is that there is no one to self insert as. In a fictional hetero relationsip, a woman might feel pushed into identifying with the fictional woman, which takes away the vouyer/passive observer aspect that many women find attractive in yaoi.
 
that's very rare.
I'd believe it was more rare if there wasn't such a strong focus on the dinamics of relationships compared to media that men consume featuring lesbians. It feels more like an inmersive roleplay than porn. The men in yaoi are also anything but masculine, i'd be like men watching lesbian porn but the lesbians are drawn like manly dudes only missing a penis.

Not saying you are wrong though. There's also a big demographic of fujos who are frigid women with sexual hang ups . Kpop also draws a lot of those.
 
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Yaoi is two guys but (mostly) written by women for women so they don't act like the average retarded man and instead have cute romance on pages where there isn't rape. Too bad about the rape, but not all are bad. I haven't touched any yaoi in a long time though. Porn is brain poison.
Junjou Romantica being one of the most popular yaoi on the community is not a good sign at all.
Is that still popular? Anything that mangaka made had so much bad in it you can't even skip past the rape for the good stuff. Sekaiichi Hatsukoi was just too much. Had so much potential but alas...
 
The men in yaoi are also anything but masculine, i'd be like men watching lesbian porn but the lesbians are drawn like manly dudes only missing a penis.
Yeah that's a point I can't disagree with: Even in yaoi/slash where the characters are masculine, 99% of the time they do NOT have sex like gay men would (see yaoi hole). Western fandom usually is better at emulating actual gay sex, but it still does away with, for example, enemas to avoid getting doo doo on the top's dick. The bottom's rectum is usually magically empty, unless there's a scat kink angle.
 
I wonder about how Japan popularized faggot shit way before America, and yet seems to have "declined" less, for lack of a better word? Or perhaps not in the same direction/severity. Probably I'm missing something but it seems like there's a cultural difference or something that allows japs to consume this faggot media but disallow it from leaking into their everyday actions/identity/etc. Meanwhile you read some gay shit as a mutt and then less than 5 years later you're a tranny. Is it part of their "honor" autism? Because they recognize (rightly) that homosexuality is not normal, and seek to oppress it almost unconsciously as a result? I wonder.
The answer is it's non-politicized entertainment. It's also why Asian BL fans act respectable while the gaijin western fans are obnoxious.
 
Ok I'll bite.

1. I don't.

2. I prefer women, I think?

3. I used to read manga. Nowadays I only look at fanfic.

4. If I do it's typically with the bottom.

5. I used to like it more than I do now. Lately I prefer something a lot more balanced than that sort of very strict role.

6. It sure does exist. My feelings on it vary a lot based on how it's written.

7. Since middle school or so. I got my first computer and immediately looked up porn.

8. Absolutely not. I'll leave people to be into what they're into, but for me: no way.

9. The dynamics. It's less that I specifically enjoy yaoi, but that the things I like to read about seem to appear more often in yaoi. I enjoy the fucked-up plots and messy relationships. Alternatively, I like it when the pairing is just funny for whatever reason.

10. Enemies-to-lovers, maybe?

11. Not really. But it's also not something that ever comes up.

12. Nope.

13. From this, I'd be a turtle.

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Unless it's a story elaborating on how faggotry destroys them. It's pretty fucking retarded. The writer of the 1971 Yuri manga was ahead of the fucking curve. A forbidden love story of 2 girls acting so weird.
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I love mecha anime/seinen b/c half the time it's gayer than actual BL series and the creators openly admit as much.

Based Yoshiyuki Tomino and Yasuhiko Yoshikazu, tricking straight dudes into watching gay shit and saying fujo rights.
 
The reason why you see "lesbians" (and often honestly straight women) "fetishizing" gay men has more to do with giving up on men IRL while idealizing them in drawings than it does with a gay fetish. I've been aware for a very long time now that more and more women are choosing to remain single or go faux lesbian because their choices in men are so bleak, but I only recently discovered how high those numbers are and looked into how they're likely even higher than that. These women are physically attracted to male bodies, but not to any male personality even skirting on the average 80%, and they're right to feel that way, IME/FMO. These women are creating fictional men who are all heart, mind and soul with lust just being an incidental byproduct of these things lining up romantically. I'm not saying that all female yaoi consumers or creators fall into this category, but enough of them are to explain the glaring differences between yaoi and yuri.

This is the exact opposite and counterpart of the coomer guys who portray lesbians and chicks in general as though they're the same brainless, soulless, lust-fueled creatures they themselves are. The male yuri consumers just want mindless sex, while the female yaoi consumers want love and romance that make sex seem desirable and worthwhile. Again: I'm not saying that all female yaoi consumers or creators fall into this category.
Chicks who consume rape yaoi are no different from the ones who consume any kind of rape porn; it's their brains trying to normalize something they're afraid of going through, possibly having gone through it themselves, or they're incredibly sheltered and don't grasp the gravity of it beyond it being edgy and naughty. It's the easiest thing in the world to separate rape shit for women and rape shit for men; the women's version comes with the delusion of the assault and abuse somehow being romantic. The yaoi has the added variable of there not being a girl or woman involved in the assault, making it a lot less personally terrifying.

At the end of the day, it's still porn, even if it's not for the same reasons as that of men. Porn is psychologically harmful on an individual and societal level and belongs in the trash.
 
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