Call of Duty Thread - Potential return to form? Or nothing but cope on the horizon? You decide!

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ellroy said:
How could a Vietnam game be disapproved when they have stories of four star generals going rogue with a private army massacring innocents?
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Because it didn't actually happen? And Vietnam atrocities actually did? And it's the fact the general is portrayed as going *rogue* and that everything he does is actually wrong?

It presents the person as the villain, not the institution. I really don't think you understand the actual problem they would actually have. You also seem to not pay attention to me saying this was a reason it didn't happen before but I think at this point Activision doesn't give much of a rats ass because authenticity and good storytelling aren't selling points anymore...

And I hate to break it to you, but it's verifiable fact the DOD worked with Activision.
 
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The Last Stand said:
Do you have a source for that? Also, didn't CoD play with a Vietnam setting in Black Ops 1?
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"We brought in a lot of outside help - military advisers, futurologists - we got together with a scenario planner from the Department of Defense, who is active in the Pentagon. His job is to think about future threats and prepare 'what if' scenarios for the US government. So we asked him, what do you think will be the conflict of tomorrow?"

Surprisingly, conflicts immediately ruled out by this source included a revival of the Cold War with Russia and a consolidation of Islamic extremist states, Condrey said. The expert instead suggested that a cash-rich private military company could become the next major national security threat, a scenario Sledgehammer Games have used in Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, which will be released in November
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This isn't even getting into the business side of things between the military sponsorships with E-Sports and CDL tournaments and the whole "endowment" deal. Activision/Call of Duty has had a working relationship with the military for a while and would keep that in mind or take anything they advise them on seriously because of it.

As for Black Ops 1, yeah there's a couple missions that take place in Vietnam just like with Black Ops Cold War. I'm not saying that Vietnam was or is off limits, I'm simply saying that because of their relationship with the military and the (at the time) fanbase, they'd either have the idea nixed outright or more likely just figured it wasn't worth the hassle.

Or, it could just be that they had just done some Vietnam shit in Black Ops and were fully invested in "future warfare" at that point. I dunno I'm just saying Vietnam isn't thought of as some super heroic war like WWII so to portray it as such would have pissed off some fans, and to portray it closer to how it was could potentially piss off the military and just goes against what Call of Duty is meant to be anyways (and also probably piss off some fans anyways).
 
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Not exactly a CoD fan and mostly lurk this thread to see what Kiwis think of the series, but the Korean War doesn't get nearly enough time in video games, despite being a horribly brutal war. Both Koreas were left absolutely devastated, and by the time the war was over the four battles of Seoul had seen its population drop from 1.5 million to around 200,000. It is still technically ongoing but the shooting lasted from dawn on the 25th of June in 1950 to the 27th of July on 1953, finally ending after just over three years and millions of dead, mostly civilians.

Of course, I just answered my own question because its more grim than heroic, especially when you look at all the Chinese who froze to death in their trenches on account of terrible logistics, although you could definitely play up the "Russia Bad" aspects for the modern audience thanks to Stalin being a major contributor towards the North's war efforts. That and half the weapons are all right out of WW2 still. The M1 Garand, the Mosin-Nagant and PPSh.. at least the USA had begun switching to the M2 carbine instead of the Thompson or Grease Gun.

And no, the AK-47 was despite its name not actually around since production issues meant only the much more expensive AK-49 was put into production in 1951 and not given to the Norks.
 
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So Activision has finally brought MW2019, Cold War, and Vanguard to Steam today. they are still full price though, but are currently discounted 50% off. I don't think I'd rebuy them on Steam even if they were 75% off. that is unless the steam versions of cold war and mw2019 end up actually working on linux under proton.
 
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xXx: State of the Union said:
Because it didn't actually happen? And Vietnam atrocities actually did? And it's the fact the general is portrayed as going *rogue* and that everything he does is actually wrong?

It presents the person as the villain, not the institution. I really don't think you understand the actual problem they would actually have. You also seem to not pay attention to me saying this was a reason it didn't happen before but I think at this point Activision doesn't give much of a rats ass because authenticity and good storytelling aren't selling points anymore...

And I hate to break it to you, but it's verifiable fact the DOD worked with Activision.
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So make a Vietnam game that isn't about atrocitiies?

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So Activision has finally brought MW2019, Cold War, and Vanguard to Steam today. they are still full price though, but are currently discounted 50% off. I don't think I'd rebuy them on Steam even if they were 75% off. that is unless the steam versions of cold war and mw2019 end up actually working on linux under proton.
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Cold War was not good?
 
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Call of Duty(s) campaigns are my reasons for playing, and only Black Ops, Black Ops 2, Ghosts and Cold War were campaigns I enjoyed as war stories.

Modern Warfare (and it's sequels) with Makarov are the Michael Bay popcorn flicks that you realize what they are after you turn 20-21.

Black Ops and it's sequel were done by GOYer but say what you will about the man, a story that has structure and characters in both Black Ops. We don't talk about 3 and 4 though. Train go boom.

Cold War is Raven Software flexing their skills with the ramshackle budget they were given to do the campaign while treyarch (sans Goyer, internal monkeys responsible for BO 3 and 4) did multiplayer. A pure stealth section that played like Dishonored? In MY CoD? Get outta here. Plus the almost-concrete-link that the OG Modern Warfare universe and Black Ops might be a branching timeline with a young Zakhaev was icing on the cake.

Ghosts was unfairly hated on due to the yearly release cycles of Bobby Kotick and being the follow-up to Black Ops 2. Nothing would have been good as a follow-up to BO2 so soon in a year's time. It didn't help that it had an aircraft carrier under siege level which looked like it was starting to just cannibalize itself (Stephen Gaghan and Goyer are leagues apart, but the story executes things differently). Wasted potential is how kinda caricatured the Federation is, would have liked to see more of what makes them tick.

If I haven't said it apart from THE NUMBERS, Russell Adler is a great addition to the franchise/series and he is an incredibly handsome man.
 
Liquid Kent said:
Call of Duty(s) campaigns are my reasons for playing, and only Black Ops, Black Ops 2, Ghosts and Cold War were campaigns I enjoyed as war stories.

Modern Warfare (and it's sequels) with Makarov are the Michael Bay popcorn flicks that you realize what they are after you turn 20-21.

Black Ops and it's sequel were done by GOYer but say what you will about the man, a story that has structure and characters in both Black Ops. We don't talk about 3 and 4 though. Train go boom.

Cold War is Raven Software flexing their skills with the ramshackle budget they were given to do the campaign while treyarch (sans Goyer, internal monkeys responsible for BO 3 and 4) did multiplayer. A pure stealth section that played like Dishonored? In MY CoD? Get outta here. Plus the almost-concrete-link that the OG Modern Warfare universe and Black Ops might be a branching timeline with a young Zakhaev was icing on the cake.

Ghosts was unfairly hated on due to the yearly release cycles of Bobby Kotick and being the follow-up to Black Ops 2. Nothing would have been good as a follow-up to BO2 so soon in a year's time. It didn't help that it had an aircraft carrier under siege level which looked like it was starting to just cannibalize itself (Stephen Gaghan and Goyer are leagues apart, but the story executes things differently). Wasted potential is how kinda caricatured the Federation is, would have liked to see more of what makes them tick.

If I haven't said it apart from THE NUMBERS, Russell Adler is a great addition to the franchise/series and he is an incredibly handsome man.
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For me, it was WaW, BO1-2, MW1-3 and Ghosts.
 
Liquid Kent said:
Call of Duty(s) campaigns are my reasons for playing, and only Black Ops, Black Ops 2, Ghosts and Cold War were campaigns I enjoyed as war stories.

Modern Warfare (and it's sequels) with Makarov are the Michael Bay popcorn flicks that you realize what they are after you turn 20-21.

Black Ops and it's sequel were done by GOYer but say what you will about the man, a story that has structure and characters in both Black Ops. We don't talk about 3 and 4 though. Train go boom.

Cold War is Raven Software flexing their skills with the ramshackle budget they were given to do the campaign while treyarch (sans Goyer, internal monkeys responsible for BO 3 and 4) did multiplayer. A pure stealth section that played like Dishonored? In MY CoD? Get outta here. Plus the almost-concrete-link that the OG Modern Warfare universe and Black Ops might be a branching timeline with a young Zakhaev was icing on the cake.

Ghosts was unfairly hated on due to the yearly release cycles of Bobby Kotick and being the follow-up to Black Ops 2. Nothing would have been good as a follow-up to BO2 so soon in a year's time. It didn't help that it had an aircraft carrier under siege level which looked like it was starting to just cannibalize itself (Stephen Gaghan and Goyer are leagues apart, but the story executes things differently). Wasted potential is how kinda caricatured the Federation is, would have liked to see more of what makes them tick.

If I haven't said it apart from THE NUMBERS, Russell Adler is a great addition to the franchise/series and he is an incredibly handsome man.
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I've always heard people shit on Modern Warfare for being Michael Bay, and when I was younger I had this douchey streak (didn't argue with people about it, thankfully, but just the opinions I kept myself) of going along with what reviewers said for whatever reason, so I kind of looked down on it. But now I don't see anything wrong with schlock, and I don't think schlock is really what made people hate it on so much. Lots of other dumb action games exist that are beloved without the criticism. I think people shat on MW so much because of the political narrative of mIdDlE eAsTeRn BrOwN pEoPlE even though these sort of games were always much more about demonizing Russians.

Since I've got EAPlay I'm real interested in trying out Medal of Honor, though, the ones set in real life Afghanistan. So many spunkgargleweewee games would pussy out having Arabs so generic they don't even say the country, and there those chads go and make a game based on real battles with the Northern Alliance (!!!) as allies. I kind of hope that since zoomers are already starting to mythologize the Forever War like Vietnam was, there will be a flourishing of historically-based Middle East games. (Old school 1900s Middle East is great too, lots of conflicts to explore, but nobody's going to rush out to buy one where it's Iraqi Arab-Nazis vs Iranian Revolution-Jihadists).
 
Flashgitz did a hilarious parody of the average game streamers (Dr. Disrespect, Tim the Tatman, XQC, and NickMercs) playing Warzone 2.
 
I've heard that one of the cheat makers has actually released their shit for free for the free weekend or something?

I don't know if it's true, but I can believe it. I've ran into multiple obvious aimbots in every match I've played today.
 
xXx: State of the Union said:
I've heard that one of the cheat makers has actually released their shit for free for the free weekend or something?

I don't know if it's true, but I can believe it. I've ran into multiple obvious aimbots in every match I've played today.
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I think engine owning released their shit for free a week or two ago as a fuck you to Activision for suing them.
 
Oh and btw it turns out Black Ops IS "Call of Duty: Vietnam," I was reading the synopsis of the plot and apparently a full third of its missions are all set there.

Edit: Vorkuta Uprising was a real event, that's cool as hell.
And you blow up a Soyuz and fight in Kowloon Walled City. I picked the wrong side to fanboy for as a teen.
 
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