Canada is a failed state

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TJT said:
Honest question here. What exactly led up to and caused the Trudeau government to open the the sewage pipe to India to such a degree that you got like 1.5M Indians in 18 months?
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The British empire has a long history of importing Jeets around the world to its various colonies to use as a middle management class/caste.

Now they tell doing it to formerly whites only colonies of Canada, NZ and Australia.
 
Slap47 said:
Trumps complete hatred of the Canadian Conservatives and adoration of the Liberals is absolutely fascinating.
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I suspect that it has to do with Trump knows how feckless the Liberals are. Ian Bremmer (archive) of the Eurasia Group (you know, the same outfit that Carney's wife, his advisor Gerald Butts, and "star" candidate Evan Solomon work for) predicts that Ottawa will fold once the Liberal receive their fourth mandate. He is not directly tied to Carney's campaign, but he most likely has the inside track given the personal connections. It's obvious that the LPC inflamed mindless nationalist zeal to ride the wave back to power while having no intent to fix immigration and, in fact, double down. Same with their ruinous economic policy while ignoring crime, drug addiction, and foreign meddling.

Meanwhile, there is a solid chance that it will ignite separatist sentiments in both Quebec and Alberta. The BQ is openly pushing for a referendum next year and separatist sentiments have been on the rise in Alberta, albeit it still on the fringes. Trump wins no matter how you slice it. Carney will take a knee because Canada has no real strategy. Europe isn't going to save the country because they are as moribund as us. Then the orange man could conceivably annex the western half of the country due to "security concerns".

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OutInTheRain said:
He hates the Liberals too, but he knows they fold easy. The Cons would be an unknown in any negotiations.
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Libs are a truly weak as fuck. Their entire ideology lies in the stupidity that is their own ignorance. Cons, tho cucked as they are, still understand some level of realpolitik and demand something out of negotiations like investments in exchange for free trade.

This is something that Stephen Harper understood and signed free trade agreements with 42 countries.

Guess how many Trudeau signed? Three.

THREE fucking deals and those weren't even initiated by himself. It was done by Stephen Harper and forced upon Canada by Trump.

Trump obviously loves this Liberal Party. They are proactively killing Canada.
 
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karaokeman said:
It will really boil down to manufacturing, and immigration.

Trump wants to expand and advance American manufacturing at the expense of Canada, and Canada's mass immigration policies are contrary to Trump's policy of tightening immigration.

Carney will be burned.
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Mass immigration with no job growth, no housing stock growth and no new businesses.
 
TJT said:
Honest question here. What exactly led up to and caused the Trudeau government to open the the sewage pipe to India to such a degree that you got like 1.5M Indians in 18 months?
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This is a tough one because noone was responsible, and everyone was.

Id preface this with my own belief first:

I think the issue can be summed up with Trudeau and the liberals saw that the problem was happening, but didnt think it was a problem and decided not to fix it.

Maybe in some sense that gives them some plausible deniability for causing it, right? But in my opinion, if you see a problem occurring, ignore it and continue to allow it to occur when you have the power to stop it, you are just as bad as if you caused it to begin with.

But as far as it stands, the liberals motivation is the replacement theory one. It's both more and less insidious, but if you look at the actual birth rate of native Canadians- it's Korean level.

Musk talks about social security being a scam, and I guess it kind of is- except in the US you have population replacement, a large tax base to draw from so its fine enough in the end. Not really going to get into it there;

but to play devil's advocate for the liberals, as with much of Europe, demographics are a ticking time bomb and unfortunately we dont have massive industry, silicon valley, or numerous investments to draw upon (let alone we arent getting the best of the best coming to our nation. The actual boomers are going to retire, and we need a strong tax base to draw upon to fund their retirement, or were going to have to get into austerity.

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Remember when France had this problem, tried to increase the retirement age, and wound up with mass protests?

We don't even have to go that far. This is from 2019 when things largely accelerated:
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People here touted immigration as something we needed, to solve the future pension crisis. There's no way that the liberal elite didn't see this as something potentially useful as well, and even they got into it.

The problem is, and Ive posted this before- thintelligence
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Its importing millions of indians, when there are no houses or jobs, and thinking that tax contributions are suddenly going to appear out of nowhere. Maybe its not that insidious though. Maybe its something akin to 'Won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
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Maybe its everyone, and noones fault- and people saying we need migrants, that diversity is our strength, and doesn't even need to be conspiratorial. What happens here is someone decides to start shifting their own role in the system into something they enable more migrants to come in, because they think its a public good.

Maybe the universities think 'two birds, one stone- we can do our part solve the pension crisis, train new students and a new workforce, and get money as well'. "Won't someone help us solve our tax crisis".

I like to think of people as having the best of intentions, but being foolish.

Regardless of whether or not this was planned initially though, if youre in government and you see the problems it has been causing- I repeat, negligence or not doing anything while it goes on is akin to tacit approval.

The problem lies in everyone basically turning a blind eye when the floodgates were opened, and gaslighting ourselves. You can't just import the entirety of the punjab and forget that these people come from a very different low trust society. You're bound to have problems there. Youre bound to have rapes in the street.
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You then add in that the people who jump at the opportunity to move to Canada- a land with so few prospects that not even its own youth can find jobs, are not going to be the best and brightest. We're so deluded by our sense of self-importance though, that we actually think that smart people still want to come to our country, and not just desperate third world scammers. We're Canada, after all.

So the scammers come. The colleges enable them both for money, because without them their scam would collapse, and because 'its for the public good'. Except its not, but when you point that out, you get called a racist.

Then the Indians have families. Then they start buying out property, then they take over HR positions, and positions in every industry. All the part time jobs? Theyre now for the Indians. Before you know it, they get permanent residency, and you start sounding like youre spouting off 1930s nazi conspiracies, except this is actually reality.

Then, with permanent residency, they become a massive voting bloc. Suddenly that 8 million Indians, in a population of 38 million total, is a force to reckon with. Punjab or Hindi may as well be Canada's 2nd language at this point, there's more Indians than French now.

Now when you try to solve problems, they're actually people who have subverted your democracy. You either have them on your side for votes, or they can sink your party and initiative.

Remember awhile back where we tried to tackle housing, cracking down on slumlords, and the Indians came out, protested, and we basically cucked for them?
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Look at this shit. 6 people on one floor "wont you think of us poor Indian slumlords taking advantage of our own citizens, you shouldn't stop us from doing this- do you want these lower caste Indians on the streets?"

This is what was reported, imagine whats not being reported? Ive heard worse, personally.

So why aren't politicians doing anything? Because its too late. Its out of their hands. You can't import 8 million people who are completely self-interested, hate white people, and have an active interest in subverting your system into your democracy, and not expect radically wild changes. Now both parties have to appeal to them, or you will lose elections.

You can't slow things down too much either as well. Sure, you can cut some students, but a large chunk of immigrants are now from family reunification. Its not just students any longer, though people aren't really slowing that by much as well. You can't change family reunification laws without constitutional reform, without a united government- and to do so for racist reasons? Unheard of. Regardless, something needed to happen, and our system just isn't really designed for this sort of crisis.

You limit students, require them to have 2x the money? Theyll just lie, theyll take out a loan so the moneys in their bank account, and then return it, etc.

I rant a bit, but thats where were at in Canada. If you're wondering why this happened, blame all the parties, blame noone and everyone- but blame the liberals and the 'WOKE' culture.

There was a chance to stop this, we didn't take it. When people warned about it, they were called racists.

But if someone wants to shirk the blame, don't let them. It was the liberals. They were the government. Knowing this was happening, weaponizing it to go after 'the mean racists', and otherwise ignoring the problem while watching it get worse and worse, is tacit approval. Do not let them forget that, regardless of what they say.
 
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HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS said:
Mass immigration with no job growth, no housing stock growth and no new businesses.
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Anyone under the illusion that Carney is going to coast his way through Trump's good graces is delusional.

I can only see Trump making concessions as a matter of national security interests, that would be containing China and funding Israel.

Netanyahu, Ishida, and Marcos will get better concessions from Trump. Carney, unlikely.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
I suspect that it has to do with Trump knows how feckless the Liberals are. Ian Bremmer (archive) of the Eurasia Group (you know, the same outfit that Carney's wife, his advisor Gerald Butts, and "star" candidate Evan Solomon work for) predicts that Ottawa will fold once the Liberal receive their fourth mandate. He is not directly tied to Carney's campaign, but he most likely has the inside track given the personal connections. It's obvious that the LPC inflamed mindless nationalist zeal to ride the wave back to power while having no intent to fix immigration and, in fact, double down. Same with their ruinous economic policy while ignoring crime, drug addiction, and foreign meddling.
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It's like a choose your own psyop adventure book. Which one is the psyop?

a) Carney and his cronies make epic bank shifting trade away from America to abroad in the greatest personal financial opportunity of his lifetime.

or

b) Carney folds, as suggested by what his allies and probably wife put out through their think tank/NGO. Carney will just happily accept only making a modest amount of bank as PM and trade relations go back to normal.
 
YautjaWeeb said:
It's like a choose your own psyop adventure book. Which one is the psyop?

a) Carney and his cronies make epic bank shifting trade away from America to abroad in the greatest personal financial opportunity of his lifetime.

or

b) Carney folds, as suggested by what his allies and probably wife put out through their think tank/NGO. Carney will just happily accept only making a modest amount of bank as PM and trade relations go back to normal.
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At this point the only people who will believe option b where everything gets better under Liberals probably voted for Trudeau three times in a row.
 
Canadians would rather drive their country into the dirt than admit they need to get along with the country that buys 75% of their products. Their pride is going to end Canada (and to the 65+ Canadians who insist on voting liberal, your children will be forced to move to America while a group of Indian immigrants refuse to take care of you in your old age because you're not the same race as them).
 
orangecat said:
Canadians who insist on voting liberal, your children will be forced to move to America
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As the son of one of these: Oh no oh jeez god I guess if I have to become American I can be a martyr and take one for the team so they can survive. You know how much I love this country and especially the Liberal party, mom and dad. No, don't worry, I'm sure I'll be fine, you don't have to worry about me okaythanksbyenowgivemethefuckingvisaandgetmeoutofthisshitholepleasefortheloveofgod
 
I hope bernier and the ppc just bite the bullet and work with the conservatives this time around, canada cant afford another 4 years of liberals.
 
Expand Value said:
I hope bernier and the ppc just bite the bullet and work with the conservatives this time around, canada cant afford another 4 years of liberals.
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Except that's what we're most likely getting. Get yourselves ready to emigrate kiwis, we can't afford to be the afrikaners of north america
 
Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.
 
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