Canada is a failed state

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

What were the three counties

I’m going to guess
1) India
2) Bangladesh
3) Kosovo

No, it was modifying existing treaties in Pacific, Europe and NAFTA. Liberal did nothing to grow the economy.

 

[Butterschmalz]

 

[Brutality]

https://nationalpost.com/news/mark-carney-plagiarism-accusations

"I heard he was a central banker, he must be really smart!"

 

[orangecat]

Canadians would rather drive their country into the dirt than admit they need to get along with the country that buys 75% of their products. Their pride is going to end Canada (and to the 65+ Canadians who insist on voting liberal, your children will be forced to move to America while a group of Indian immigrants refuse to take care of you in your old age because you're not the same race as them).

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Canadians who insist on voting liberal, your children will be forced to move to America

As the son of one of these: Oh no oh jeez god I guess if I have to become American I can be a martyr and take one for the team so they can survive. You know how much I love this country and especially the Liberal party, mom and dad. No, don't worry, I'm sure I'll be fine, you don't have to worry about me okaythanksbyenowgivemethefuckingvisaandgetmeoutofthisshitholepleasefortheloveofgod

 

[Expand Value]

I hope bernier and the ppc just bite the bullet and work with the conservatives this time around, canada cant afford another 4 years of liberals.

 

[Brutality]

I hope bernier and the ppc just bite the bullet and work with the conservatives this time around, canada cant afford another 4 years of liberals.

Except that's what we're most likely getting. Get yourselves ready to emigrate kiwis, we can't afford to be the afrikaners of north america

 

[StillNotBlarg]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

 

[TJT]

Canadians would rather drive their country into the dirt than admit they need to get along with the country that buys 75% of their products. Their pride is going to end Canada (and to the 65+ Canadians who insist on voting liberal, your children will be forced to move to America while a group of Indian immigrants refuse to take care of you in your old age because you're not the same race as them).

If you look in the India thread there is a practice of abandoning your own mother to a convent of sorts. The convent is where they toss widows who had the audacity to live when their husbands died.

It's one thing for shitty relatives to get rid of a mother in law but their own children do it to them too. White Canuck Boomers are going to be very disappointed when pajeets inevitably consume the old folks home industry. These people think nothing of abusing their own kind.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

The grotesque irony of the hysterical left-wing anti-fossil fuel totalitarians and "net zero" globohomo fascists like Carney declaring that they will now burn fossil fuels to fly and transport things like FUCKING STEEL over the Atlantic and Pacific to pwn Trump will unfortunately be completely lost on Liberal faggots.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Canadian boomer is enraged.

ERDOCAA Twitter thread about boomers



Holy shit that Canadian ER doc RTs a lot. Took me dozens of pages to scroll back and find the OG tweet from March 26.



I remember following this guy during COVID. He was one of the few sane Leaf MD voices.



He still seems pretty based. If only "We need to elect PP" based instead of the few rungs passed that where myself and Diagolon are closer to "Total jeet death"

 

[Flan Handler]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

“Increasing trade with the EU” is a fantasy, we already have “free trade” with them, yet they are only 5% of trade volume. This is mostly due to the insane regulations the EU maintains that makes it difficult to get compliant good in.

The EU doesn’t want to trade outside of itself. It only wants our natural gas, basically. Which will never get to them from Alberta with climate zealot Carney at the helm.

The EU also has collapsing productivity, horrible aging demographics, and little private sector activity.

We have the most privileged trade opportunity on the planet by being perched on top of the largest, freest economy. In addition to the transport costs, there is no way trade with Europe will replace what we have with the US.

 

[12345]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

Haven't you been paying attention? The whole reason Trump wants Greenland is because they know the ice is going to melt and there will be new waterways!

It's fine, really. We'll just use that.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

An added barrier to this is the outright refusal of eastern provinces (Quebec, specifically) to allow pipelines to be built. Why? No clue. You'd think the province that relatively recently had a chunk of a town destroyed from an oil train derailment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster_) would appreciate the safety of pipelines, but no.

So the biggest thing that Canada can export to Europe - energy - The federal and eastern provincial governments refuse to built infrastructure to accommodate.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

Leftists are all Euroboos, the boomers are as well. So you mention Europe and they swoon. It's to claim there is a plan without there being a plan. Any deal with Europe is years away, and even then we are so separated from their economy that we will have to essentially muscle in and push out their current suppliers.

Why buy Canadian? Currently no one can answer this question except the Americans. Their answer is "because you are there."

 

[karaokeman]

“Increasing trade with the EU” is a fantasy, we already have “free trade” with them, yet they are only 5% of trade volume. This is mostly due to the insane regulations the EU maintains that makes it difficult to get compliant good in.

The EU doesn’t want to trade outside of itself. It only wants our natural gas, basically. Which will never get to them from Alberta with climate zealot Carney at the helm.

The EU also has collapsing productivity, horrible aging demographics, and little private sector activity.

We have the most privileged trade opportunity on the planet by being perched on top of the largest, freest economy. In addition to the transport costs, there is no way trade with Europe will replace what we have with the US.

Canada's only other viable export market is Japan, but the Japanese already got an LNG deal with America, and American oil is still cheaper to extract than Canadian oil. The Japanese are not interested in our products either, they make far superior ones.

I'm telling you the retardedness and smugness of Canadians knows no bounds. We are a privileged country all because we're sandwiched between Alaska and continental USA.

 

[Betonhaus]

Florida real estate market crashing with no survivors.
Biden paying defaulted mortgages.

Cheap housing is on it's way bros.

Looks like the snowbirds had to give up their Florida properties now that they were told to hate America now.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Canada's only other viable export market is Japan, but the Japanese already got an LNG deal with America, and American oil is still cheaper to extract than Canadian oil. The Japanese are not interested in our products either, they make far superior ones.

I'm telling you the retardedness and smugness of Canadians knows no bounds. We are a privileged country all because we're sandwiched between Alaska and continental USA.

Plus Japan wants that American military assets and exports, as well as possibly lower tariff for automotive sector.

South Korea may be another market for export but I guarantee USA has a deal locked and ready for them as well. And basically same situation as Japan....except Korea has a large military complex

EU is indeed hostile to competition outside it's market...including china. That's the whole reason for European Union...

There is no winning this.

Also, Canada now has 28 billion deficit in 4 months.

LOL.

There is no doubt now Carney will fully bend the knee and wholesale Canada into pieces....

A deindustrialized Ontario and carbon cap will finish off Canada into million pieces.


Old international order is over.

No more WTO. No more IMF. No more UN. That's it. It's over. Canada needs to accept the new reality. Align itself with USA completely and save itself from implosion.

 

[Hectic Heckler]

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I've never wanted Little Mac to lose more than when he's played by Justo.

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Join the Canadian Poverty Club today!

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Canada is attempting trade with Europe to bypass the US tariffs. However there is a major difference between trading with Europe and trading with the US. The Atlantic Ocean.

So when you take into account the added cost of transport (ships, employees, fuel, extra carbon tax because Canada is anal about its carbon footprint, etc), at what point will the added transportation costs equal or even surpass the tariffs?

Let's take Alberta for example. In order to supply the province, you would either need a ship to port on the east coast and then transport the goods three quarters of the way across Canada on land, or have the ship travel all the way through the Panama Canal to dock on the west coast, literally traveling halfway around the world, and then transport it on land from there. At some point the extra time and effort is not worth it.

It won't.

Or really, it will take years for it to even be reasonably worth the effort.

A] Canada isn't really even fully integrated domestically.

Alberta has some connections to the West, some to the East, but its more integrated with its southern neighbor, the US, than it is with Ontario, BC, etc. You literally have oil being shipped down south, just to be refined.

Its like that for basically every province. Ontario is more integrated with upstate NY, Michigan, and the surrounding area, than any other province (it also goes both ways, with the energy grid- though thats a separate issue).

Canada can't even integrate with itself internally, what makes Canadians think they can integrate with the EU?

B] Okay, so lets imagine that by some miracle, Canada is able to detangle itself with the US, and somehow ship things across the ocean.

It is possible. Don't forget that the Saudis and Iraqis, even the Iranians, literally ship oil to East Asia. your biggest logistical hurdles are going to be refining the oil, and frankly- initiating the oil industry domestically. So much of it is held beyond red tape, that this is a separate issue entirely. Shipping is expensive, don't get me wrong, so to make it justifiable, you'd really need scale to make a profit. Quantity, that we are currently missing, because we basically decimated our own industry on purpose.

You also have to add that we will be competing with Russian oil directly (Im pretty much assuming that the Euros will cuck and reinstate Nordstream again), and theres also oil from Algeria, going through Morocco, into South Europe.

People talk about the British being double crossers- the Europeans put them to shame here (for example, if you get to the politics between Morocco and Algeria, theyre regional rivals and in their own cold war and have been in several hot wars over the Sahara in the past, and the Euros constantly double cross both of them. The French also double cross the Spanish, etc- its why you dont have a direct pipeline across the straight of Gibraltar, even though its been proposed so many times).



Point being, theres other sources of oil, theyre cheaper, closer, and Canada would not be the sole supplier of oil to the EU (Im focusing on that, because literally Canada has fuck else that it can offer the world at this point). On top of that, do not count on Euro loyalty.

Bear in mind that we have a ready and willing market to the south of us already, and building our own pipelines down south is far easier*

C] So lets imagine that we go through with all this anyways? We've antagonized the US, and forced them to diversify away from us. No more upstate NY relying on Canadian energy, right? The US can actually afford to do that though, it can draw upon the entire country. It'll survive.

The EU, on the other hand- what happens when the Germans push austerity again? What happens when Brussels pushes more climate change shit, requirements to cut down carbon footprints, etc. On second thought, Brussels wouldnt even have to push that- our politicians may just do that themselves.

The EU isnt the most stable trading partner, frankly. Its always between the throes of left wing populism, such as getting rid of oil and nuclear energy because 'omg its not clean', and then German fiscal fuckery. They basically abandoned south europe in 08 (Spain was one of the fastest growing economies), whats to say that Canada isn't stepping into something bad itself? What if Europe moves away from oil in 10 years? Pretty big chances, unironically. They kind of need us now, but not for the long term. Without that, we might as well be Greece or Portugal, except with worse weather and not even tourist goods being produced.

So what happens then? Canada has to return to the US? A US that has moved on, and is lowkey actually hostile to us?

That just leaves us with the bottom line. Id flirt with Europe, maybe integration with them is a decent idea- lets ship them oil and open up our industries I guess? We could maybe make it work, at scale, under the right circumstances.

but doing that- to spite the US? At the cost of the American relationship? When were already massively more integrated with them, when they are refining half our oil, when theyre our biggest trading partner, when the Euros are also superfluous on their own deals? bruh, that is retarded.