Canada is a failed state

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OutInTheRain said:
HA HA HA, Ford is such an idiot. Why would anyone think this is clever? Like "checkmate chuds, look at what Reagan said." How does anyone have so little understanding about the current administration, the current mood in America? To use a dead president who was last in office in 88, to rail against tariffs, while also having massive inter-provincial tariffs? Who advises this man?

You just granted the Americans endless amounts of leverage. You have to ask them to come back to the table, and the only way you can do that is more concessions. The Trump MO is he finds a way to walk away and make you come back. How have people not figured this out? Just behave, and give him no room to walk away. Don't try anything cute. It's really simple.
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From what I can tell, it's more that Canadians have not had to do foreign relations work with the US in living memory. Even all the way back in the 40s, relations with the US were essentially on autopilot. You could always slip generous concessions into trade agreements without the Americans batting an eye because the Americans saw the Canadians as essentially the same people and also too small to be an issue.

The biggest fumble the Canadian establishment has done is to actively position themselves as the "anti-America." There's a sense I get that a lot of the Canadian political establishment thinks easy trade with the US is a law of nature like gravity or eel reproduction, rather than a special circumstance that was built up by generations of British and Canadian diplomats opting to maneuver carefully to align Canadian interests with American ones.
 
OutInTheRain said:
HA HA HA, Ford is such an idiot. Why would anyone think this is clever? Like "checkmate chuds, look at what Reagan said." How does anyone have so little understanding about the current administration, the current mood in America? To use a dead president who was last in office in 88, to rail against tariffs, while also having massive inter-provincial tariffs? Who advises this man?

You just granted the Americans endless amounts of leverage. You have to ask them to come back to the table, and the only way you can do that is more concessions. The Trump MO is he finds a way to walk away and make you come back. How have people not figured this out? Just behave, and give him no room to walk away. Don't try anything cute. It's really simple.
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They really cant help themselves. I've come to the conclusion Ottawa and Toronto really have drunk their own Kool-Aid. All that stuff about being different and better from the icky "Americans" was supposed to be for domestic propaganda purposes to rally the base. You arent supposed to export that sort of mentality south and expect it to land with applause.

Canada more then any other country in the world should have its finger on the pulse of the mood to the south...and North let's not forget.
 
karaokeman said:
It's pathetic, really.

When I was growing up, back in the 2000's, Brampton was already known as an Indian city. I was only a child, and by the time I reached adulthood in the early 2010's, Brampton had a seedy reputation.

And yet Canadians continued to act like this is normal. There was pushback with criticism. Canadians tried to rationalise it, they think Indians are going to preserve Canadian identity just like the British before them. This is the level of delusion we're dealing with.

It's too late already. The time to reverse this was 20 years ago.

Best we can do it segregate. Actively segregate. Be a racialist. Understand that the Western world is built on historic European identity, and not everyone is compatible.

Japan's quick and prompt shift to hard right is the appropriate response and they can still turn and reverse course.

In one of Takaichi's speeches, she didn't like how foreigners were segregating and not assimilating, and how she hears from people she knows that this occurs daily, that's why she opposes mass immigration. The cultures of foreigner are too different from Japan and it makes it hard to live along with them. She's already disatisfied with the Chinese migrants, her opinions on non-East Asians are probably worse.
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I said this a while back. It was full of poor Indian immigrants and it was sketchy. That was 2008.

I'm not sure when they became the majority though. I looked on some YouTube news archive video from the year 2000 in Brampton reporting clips of their news back then. Something about a firefighter fundraiser. You saw a bunch of white guys with frosted tips. The camera panned around a bit and you saw a view of the downtown from 2000 and there was still a lot of white people then.

That means the immigration explosion there must have been pumped up within turbo speed within eight years. 2000-2008. In recent times we know that sort of thing is capable of happening, just look at the lar four years.

Now I'm sure Brampton had Indian immigrants going back much further than that (people say the 80's?).
 
Fcret said:
From what I can tell, it's more that Canadians have not had to do foreign relations work with the US in living memory. Even all the way back in the 40s, relations with the US were essentially on autopilot. You could always slip generous concessions into trade agreements without the Americans batting an eye because the Americans saw the Canadians as essentially the same people and also too small to be an issue.

The biggest fumble the Canadian establishment has done is to actively position themselves as the "anti-America." There's a sense I get that a lot of the Canadian political establishment thinks easy trade with the US is a law of nature like gravity or eel reproduction, rather than a special circumstance that was built up by generations of British and Canadian diplomats opting to maneuver carefully to align Canadian interests with American ones.
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Canada has never had to do foreign relations work. We were a vassal of the British Empire until 1945. At which point the Americans took over as overlord. We were gifted things internationally as we were a steady vote for American interests. See our time on the security council or adding us to the G7. We now have to take our first steps out into the world all shaky legged and wide eyed. Where it turns out that we aren't a diplomatic powerhouse, we aren't a force to be reckoned with on the global stage. We are the sick man of North America.
mindlessobserver said:
They really cant help themselves. I've come to the conclusion Ottawa and Toronto really have drunk their own Kool-Aid. All that stuff about being different and better from the icky "Americans" was supposed to be for domestic propaganda purposes too rally the base. You arent supposed to export that sort of mentality south and expect it to land with applause.
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I just can't imagine the thought process. "We'll show an ad with a dead President talking about tariffs and play it in the backwoods of Michigan, and then at the end have it say. Paid for by the government of Ontario." Who is that going to sway? Even people against the tariffs will be like "Fuck those guys, coming in here, telling us what to do! You know what tariff them twice as hard, see how they like that!"

Canadian high society is so insulated from the reality of the rest of the country. They believe CNN, they believe MSNBC or whatever they are calling it now. They truly believe in their own self proclaimed superiority as the true wise philosopher kings of North America. It's like being ruled by MovieBob.
 
This is, what, the third time across both his terms "all trade has been TERMINATED!!!!!"

Give it a few weeks and Trump/Carney will be jerking off about signing a new trade deal and doing speeches to puff their chests up to their bases. Again.
 
Hectic Heckler said:
Let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That Ronald Reagan propaganda ad made in Canada to fight against tariffs has pissed off President Trump to no end.
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lmao this country was meant to die. Fuck it ACCELERATIONISM NOW.

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Hm, because it really seems like the states are really suffering from the tariffs, unlike canada, which is completely unaffected by them......
 
OutInTheRain said:
I just can't imagine the thought process. "We'll show an ad with a dead President talking about tariffs and play it in the backwoods of Michigan, and then at the end have it say. Paid for by the government of Ontario." Who is that going to sway? Even people against the tariffs will be like "Fuck those guys, coming in here, telling us what to do! You know what tariff them twice as hard, see how they like that!"
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It's also shockingly out of touch. Baby boomers aren't the main voting bloc in the US anymore and they're the only ones with any real fondness for Ronnie.

Gen X are the only ones who were potentially politically active during the Reagan-Bush era and most of them, even if they liked Reagan when they were younger, have grown to despise what he symbolizes - the neoliberal shift in the US economy that killed manufacturing and broad amnesty programs that legitimized huge demographic changes to the US.

Millennials and zoomers have no nostalgia for him. IMO, I think of him as a proto-Trump. He was a goofy movie star who somehow psyopped the boomers into electing him after Carter disillusioned everyone.

Either Canada's shills are entirely operating on outdated stereotypes or they think the US is a retirement home like Canada where the under-50 vote is irrelevant.
 
OutInTheRain said:
I just can't imagine the thought process. "We'll show an ad with a dead President talking about tariffs and play it in the backwoods of Michigan, and then at the end have it say. Paid for by the government of Ontario." Who is that going to sway? Even people against the tariffs will be like "Fuck those guys, coming in here, telling us what to do! You know what tariff them twice as hard, see how they like that!"
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The Canuk can't help but wag his finger disdainly with a smug sense of superiority, and naturally things will just fall into place for them.

Thats the level of understanding of politics we have had, and have currently.
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
And they'll "RRReeeee" if the USA interfere with Canadian election.

Meanwhile, take that clip with a pinch of salt where it mentioned Ontario home prices plunged 45%.
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Okay, Ill give this one to Ford:

He promised to make housing more affordable, and so far it appears the trend is that he's keeping his word,

by putting the housing market on the track for collapse.

I, for one, applaud him here.

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Boomers. "We did everything right, and still lost our dream"

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At least you own a house. So it went from being valued at 1 million dollars, to 500k?

Good.

Generation does everything it can to completely fuck over future generations and make housing unaffordable to them, crippling the economy entirely, and then the economy collapses and now it directly affects them. They have the audacity to think 'we did everything right'

Elbows up!
 
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OutInTheRain said:
HA HA HA, Ford is such an idiot. Why would anyone think this is clever? Like "checkmate chuds, look at what Reagan said." How does anyone have so little understanding about the current administration, the current mood in America? To use a dead president who was last in office in 88, to rail against tariffs, while also having massive inter-provincial tariffs? Who advises this man?
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Ontario auto lobby is the cause for dumb-dumb-Dougie to be in bed with the federal liberals and Carney while being at odds with PP and the federal conservatives. This was really accented during the election and this idiotic venture to insult Reagan likely originated from there too.

'Elbows up'.... so far means dropping all counter-tarrifs, superbusinessman Carney walking away with no deal but swallowing every CCP and WEF dick he can along the way while Canada hemorages what little industry it has. Who could have possibly seen this coming? who???
 
It’s hardly my place to criticize Canada. I say that because any country is extremely complex with millions or even billions of people, intertwining different groups, multiple layers of laws, policies, regulations and other variables that makes it impossible for a non-native to summarize properly without sounding ignorant.

But I am going to cross-post from this thread and leave a comment

Mad as a Swan

Business Thread 'Canadian worker fired and fined $1,500 for "Time Theft"'

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A Canadian woman has been ordered by a civil tribunal to compensate her former employer for “time theft” after she was caught misrepresenting hours worked by controversial tracking software.

Karlee Besse, who worked remotely as an accountant in British Columbia, initially claimed she was fired from her job without cause last year and sought C$5,000 ($3,729; £3,066) in compensation – both in unpaid wages and severance.


But the company, Reach CPA, told the tribunal Beese had logged more than 50 hours that “did not appear to have spent on work-related tasks”.

Reach...
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Canadians, are you guys okay? Because there is a near constant drip feed of dystopian news coming from Canada.
 
If you just read through the last couple hundred pages you'll see that, no, we're very much not okay. Canada's been experiencing its own Emperor has no clothes situation for a little over a decade now and it's really reaching a fever pitch of "he's absolutely fully garbed and you're a rascist biggot for even wanting to look and make sure"
 
quaawaa said:
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I think trump has been generous for the last 5 months with this ad bullshit. Fed and Provincial governments have been launching ad after ad into USA and interfere with their political process.
This is called foreign interference and absolutely worst possible thing to do....so openly.

It's bad politically...it's bad optically....it's bad financially.

It's just lose lose lose...

We have the dumbest fucking politicians in the world....
 
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