Canada is a failed state

[Sweetpeaa]

Quebec was the first, they have a private system. In all honesty it's unsustainable as it is now.

But the euthanasia stuff is horrifying. I don't want to be all slippery slope, but how long until it's age? Economic status? Like we are too squeamish to put down Paul Bernado, or Robert Pickton, but it's A-Ok to kill people who are depressed.

Redundancy and efficiency. If you aren't efficient in modern Canada you're redundant at least according to the people in charge. Unfortunately many members of our public believe this too after many years of brain washing which has chipped away at people's sense of morality towards the old, the sick and the weak.

Even in the U.S if euthanasia was proposed as a solution to getting rid of the undesirables there would be outrage.

In Canada people seem to actually support the idea of euthanizing not only the mentally ill but the elderly and the disabled (looks like where we're going). Our society is truly one sick puppy.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Id advise someone to literally pick a blue state to move to (if that was what they were looking for) over Canada

Is there even a Blue State that could manage to out Canada Canada? Hawai'i comes to mind, due to the very high costs of living.

 

[TurdFondler]

Unfortunately many members of our public believe this too after many years of brain washing which

It's the lifestyle. Early childhood and old age are put off to institutions now. The society here is only for working adults, it's really dehumanizing and alienating. Kids shouldn't be raised by schools and daycares and old people shouldn't be separated from their families. Both adults of the family shouldn't spend 75% of their time at work but we'll never talk about that.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

e) Culturally, Canada just ain't it. Its lost its own independent identity, and a lot of what we have now is just ultra shallow. Used to love Toronto's music scene in the 2000s, but now I can't stand the bourgie drake and weekend swaggots that seem to swamp that city. It might be how someone who used to live in LA feels about how their own cultural scene shifted from late 90s/early 2000s street racing culture to whatever instagram schlick we have today. Anything you can get in Toronto (or Vancouver for that matter) you can get in a similar sized American city, for cheaper and with more cultural interest.

I would argue that Calgary--motherfucking Calgary--has a more distinctive culture than Toronto or Vancouver, and we're basically Texas North. However, you can say that Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are basically extensions of the Great Plains states.

 

[doesnotglow]

It is estimated that China executes up to 8k people each year. Given that in Canada the government has a monopoly on healthcare, Canada has now surpassed China in the number of those whose lives are ended by the state. I don't have a problem with doctor assisted suicide. I think Anybody should be able to rope whenever they want and the materials to do it should be easy to get, but there's something pretty fucked up about the fact that Canada has a failing healthcare system but also offers doctor assisted suicide. How many old people have to wait years for procedures in pain and turn to rope? Even if they are rich they aren't allowed to pay to fix their condition, and when the border restrictions were tight they couldn't even go anywhere else to get it done. How many mentally ill people will not have access to a psychiatrist or afford therapy and rope instead? How many people get botched treatments that result in pain that causes them to rope? How many old people pensions are destroyed by a collapsing economy and get their doctor to end them? This is some old school commie tier management of societal decline. With such a liberal careless treatment of doctor assisted suicide it's likely it will be abused against political enemies. Imagine getting red flagged for wrongspeech and getting a 72hr hold where some doctor zonks you up with a benzo antipsychotic combo and convinces you to sign your own death warrant. Here's some good reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases_of_political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/more-than-10-000-canadians-received-a-medically-assisted-death-in-2021-report-1.6025922

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Is there even a Blue State that could manage to out Canada Canada? Hawai'i comes to mind, due to the very high costs of living.

Honestly, thats the point. You can pick half the blue states, theyll give someone a sense of liberal smugness, and still be better than Canada if liberal smugness is all that someone is going for

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

Vancouver is full of ultra rich people. Are you expecting them to be progressive? because the ultra rich don't care about anything but protecting their own wealth. They don't care about social issues or inequality.

They occasionally pretend to show support for ''trans people'', blacks and first nations but a proposal came forward to house these people in their neighbourhoods with some big public housing project they would sue the city faster than you could jump and be out protesting the building of such a place. Just like Ontario.

Edit: Read through some insufferable comments about the situation in Vancouver. It seems the cause of Vancouver's problems for such things like homeless camps to exist is ''poverty pimps'' as they call them. That seems to be their choice words. Oh yeah, as though there's tons of people profiting from the poverty in your city. Give me a break. Have these people never heard of the word ''Deinstitutionalization''? or is that too big of a word for them to understand.

You closed the asylums, congratulations! how (faux) progressive of you. You get your reward of the ''Downtown east side''. There you go. One person tells the truth

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If I can add to this, Vancouver USED to have its own insane too. It was called Riverview Forensic Psychiatric Institution. Now it's owned by the government, (I think) and is rented out to Hollywood as a movie set.

Now look at it, and other big cities run by liberals. They are expensive shitholes, where the rich live in their gated enclaves far away from the madness, while the poor and rapidly-dwindling middleclass get knifed by a 10 time convicted hobo rapist some judge keeps letting back out onto the streets.

Only when these progressive assholes are made victims of their own policies will things change.

Although the r/canada sub had a post a while back about a BCNDP member who got shitkicked by a hobo, so maybe there's reason for optimism.

 

[doesnotglow]

Here's the actual report from the government on euthanasia.

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/hc-sc/documents/services/medical-assistance-dying/annual-report-2021/annual-report-2021.pdf

Here's some crazy takeaways.

- Only 4% of requests were deemed ineligible, down from 7.9% in 2019
- 68% family doctor ropers, only 8.6% palliative care, 8.4% nurse practitioner (fake doctors)
- 44% get euthanized at home
- 68% of ropings are cancer patients, but only 1.3% of ropings are delivered by oncologists
- 81% of ontario ropings were given to rural people, where healthcare is the most shit, despite the fact that 14% of ontarians live in rural areas. This supports the thesis that those with shit healthcare are getting roped. This correlation is probably from delayed diagnosis from poor rural care leading to worse prognosis and subsequent desire for euthanasia.

family doctors are the worst paid doctors in Canada. According to the fee schedule for BC its $282 for a doctor to kill somebody, an injection that could take just minutes. It's under MAiD.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/health/practitioner-pro/medical-services-plan/msc-payment-schedule-nov-2020.pdf

Are there incentives to be an executioner stemming from being a low paid specialty? I for one wouldn't ever do that kind of work if I was a doctor but doctors have huge fucking student loans. Imagine a scenario where debt loaded doctors are forced to do executions. That's fucked. I would assume something like anaesthesiologists would be the best specialty for this but they are higher paid and killing people no matter the conditions is fucking grim.

This shit is just hog fucking wild. It's going to get much much crazier when they allow the mentally ill to die. This needs more attention. Some crazy mayor is going to get some suicide van doctor to just roam around Vancouver injecting the homeless to death to solve their schizophrenia. The incentives are perverse. Many conservatives reject suicide on religious grounds and compassionate liberals see the need for terminal patients to die but it seems like this process can go very wrong in a number of more subtle ways.

 

[Nol 2]

Next year Canada is set to become the most liberal euthanasia jurisdiction in the world by offering to kill the mentally ill.

Holy shit, so, if your depressed and suicidal, they are saying "OK have fun" with probably minimal questioning because they "don't want to disrespect the autonomy of the patient"

Talk about literally trying to re-enact The Giver

Hell, the implications of this are staggering: Why bother make your prisons not complete shitholes? Make them bad enough and you get the twofer of having the inmate kill themselves and saving on incarceration.

 

[Catler]

I would argue that Calgary--motherfucking Calgary--has a more distinctive culture than Toronto or Vancouver, and we're basically Texas North. However, you can say that Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are basically extensions of the Great Plains states.

Calgary is hands down the best big city in Canada to be if you’re young, people there don’t know how good they have it. The city has literally everything, a distinct culture as you mentioned, and is still within the realm of affordability.

On top of everything the city has Alberta provides you with some of the best health care in the country *and* the lowest taxes. Ontarians are also allergic to Alberta for some reason and want nothing to do with it.

In terms of metro centres you simply can’t do better in this country right now for quality of life.

Some crazy mayor is going to get some suicide van doctor to just roam around Vancouver injecting the homeless to death to solve their schizophrenia.

I’ve been advocating for slower ambulances and increased fentanyl for years, but no one likes the junkies suffering form bad choices.

Maybe we’ll finally have a solution to the problem.

 

[Ser Prize]

Calgary is hands down the best big city in Canada to be if you’re young, people there don’t know how good they have it. The city has literally everything, a distinct culture as you mentioned, and is still within the realm of affordability.

On top of everything the city has Alberta provides you with some of the best health care in the country *and* the lowest taxes. Ontarians are also allergic to Alberta for some reason and want nothing to do with it.

In terms of metro centres you simply can’t do better in this country right now for quality of life.



I’ve been advocating for slower ambulances and increased fentanyl for years, but no one likes the junkies suffering form bad choices.

Maybe we’ll finally have a solution to the problem.

How's Edmonton in comparison?

 

[TurdFondler]

Now when you live on a farm and call the ambulance because grandpa broke his leg they'll just come and put him down like an old horse.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Now when you live on a farm and call the ambulance because grandpa broke his leg they'll just come and put him down like an old horse.

>Be me
>Live in Canada in 2032
>Dickless virgin, literally, because got groomed into cutting off my dick as a teenager
>The family of 12 Syrian immigrants living in my living room are on their 5th call to prayer today
>Realize that its not even my living room, its a 4 meter by 4 meter parking garage unit owned by Chinese investors because the average house now costs 20 million
>Tip my hat off to them anyways and get yelled at for cultural imperialism
>Hear a loud thud
>Grandpa just got culturally enriched by a group of young soundcloud rappers on monoscooters
>Don't have any money because he's still being punished for legally sending money via paypal to the Truckers
>Don't have any money either because tax rates are now at 70% and the rest has to go to timmies and my rent on this parking garage unit
>Wait list for a doctor to see him is 9 years because all the doctors moved south to the US years ago
>Call the hospital anyways
>They send a man in a gimp mask to shoot him because in 2028 police not only had to embrace gay, but also kink.
>Euthanasia time

Canada

 

[TurdFondler]

Forgot to mention the gimp mask euthanasia service is not covered by our free universal healthcare which now only covers FaceTime appointments with ecuadorian Nurse Practitioners, so you end up paying $25k in medical fees to have grandpa put down.

Monowheel rappers eventually get a stern glance from a police officer, the CBC runs a week long campaign to have the rappers' previous charges dropped (sexual assault, robbery, assault on an officer, parole violations, weapons offenses) and the officer fired.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Forgot to mention the gimp mask euthanasia service is not covered by our free universal healthcare which now only covers FaceTime appointments with ecuadorian Nurse Practitioners, so you end up paying $25k in medical fees to have grandpa put down.

Monowheel rappers eventually get a stern glance from a police officer, the CBC runs a week long campaign to have the rappers' previous charges dropped (sexual assault, robbery, assault on an officer, parole violations, weapons offenses) and the officer fired.

Forgot the part where, when being culturally enriched, calling the police didnt work because of the monopolistic telephone companies having another multi day outage including emergency services

 

[Kosher Dill]

What I don't understand about Canadian phone monopolies is why things are so much worse there than in the United States which is just as monopolistic.
While we have a billion phone resellers there are still only a handful of underlying networks that they resell service from. So no matter how much free-market competition there is between AT&T resellers, they can never go much below the price they're purchasing their resold service at, and so on. It won't force the monopolists to compete any more than they already were.
Is it something to do with different government regulation (or lack thereof) in the telecom space?

 

[DiscoRodeo]

What I don't understand about Canadian phone monopolies is why things are so much worse there than in the United States which is just as monopolistic.
While we have a billion phone resellers there are still only a handful of underlying networks that they resell service from. So no matter how much free-market competition there is between AT&T resellers, they can never go much below the price they're purchasing their resold service at, and so on. It won't force the monopolists to compete any more than they already were.
Is it something to do with different government regulation (or lack thereof) in the telecom space?

It is pretty bad in the US as well to be honest- though slightly better in the US. I think that for Canada, Shaw is just in the West, Quebecer is in Quebec, and theres realistically no other alternative. The US does have more alternatives regardless of where you are, but the overall market share is pretty bad.

I think that the big issue may be that, US telecommunications companies seem to have their shit together a bit more. My biggest disappointment with the rogers outage was a) that it happened, b) that it occurred over a 24 hour period (up to three days for some people), c) there was no contingency plan, and d) the government didnt slap anyone on the wrist, step in to affect the business, etc.

When I found out that people in Toronto couldn't even call emergency services, that was bad. Like bad enough that the government should have had a serious investigation and major fines.
I know that if it was the US, AT&T would be sued the hell out of for that. In Canada, it seems like the government here just went with patting the monopoly on the back, and they just credited people with 1/6th of their monthly bill off and called it a day. You have bigger incentives to have your shit together when there are greater consequences to your actions.

Meanwhile, Shaw Media is still being allowed to merge with Rogers from what I'm aware of, with the promise that Rogers would upgrade 5g across the country and also do some stuff for rural regions (aka natives), which I dont think that we would see that in the US

 

[Super-Chevy454]

That meme from the Patriot Post about Justin Trudeau might fit this thread. https://patriotpost.us/memes/90516-its-trudeau-2022-08-13

 

[TurdFondler]

They broke up AT&T in the 80s in the US, I feel like just having that in recent-ish history makes it clear that trying to monopolize the phone system in the US will have consequences.

But in Canada, monopolies are rewarded and protected.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Fun thing that my famy is dealing with.

Aunt has a tumor the size of a golf ball behind her right eye. It's causing it to bulge out considerably and droop, literally, out of the socket.

Uncle is a doctor in Australia and doesn't understand why Canadian healthcare won't operate to remove it, as this appeared during the first lockdown so it's not new.

Aunt is at risk of seizures and other problems and could potentially die too.

It's not even that she's on a waiting list for surgery, shes not, but doctors want a third, and fourth examination (several months from now). I'm a cynic, but suspect that the next examination is just a way for them to "delay" as my uncle says it should not be necessary at this point considering how large the tumor is and how urgent it would be to remove it. An examination before surgery would be fine, but this ain't it.

People are basically recommending that we go to private healthcare to solve the problem making this effectively two tier healthcare.

Canada, where wait lines for essential surgeries are so long, your eye will pop out of it's socket and you might as well pay for private medical aid.