Canada is a failed state

@DiscoRodeo The Marie Aintonettes are often TruAnons that give themselves away when they try to argue that things got cheaper under Trudeau, or try to claim things got better for the working class.

When presented with evidence to the contrary, they'll give “let them eat cake” tier responses. For example, when it comes to gas prices they'll just tell you to buy an electric vehicle; something that your average lower middle-class family cannot afford.

Show evidence that the cost of energy has gone up thanks to their insane policies which they support, they tell you to just bundle up regardless of where you live in the country; because they can't comprehend having to choose between heating or eating.

Show them evidence that releasing mentally ill violent criminals back into the streets is part of why we are living in a low trust society, and they'll just say that transphobia from conservatives is a bigger issue than getting stabbed to death by a schizo.

They can't help but out themselves because at the end of the day, they're largely unaffected by the policies they support. It's working class people who have to carry the weight of their insanity. They were unaffected by lockdowns, while many working class people had their livelihoods ruined by them.

It's why they're trying to frame the trucker protest as being run by a bunch of Nazis; for the first time, they got spooked by the idea that the working class populous isn’t supportive of their Neo-liberal policies. The idea that the average working class person has beliefs a lot closer to early 20th century Bolsheviks and 18th century working class Frenchmen has likely put in some fear for their own mortality for once in their lives.

Which is why they applauded Trudeau using the emergencies act. They know too well that the working class despises the overpaid laptop class.
 
The Marie Aintonettes are often TruAnons that give themselves away when they try to argue that things got cheaper under Trudeau, or try to claim things got better for the working class.
The most common one I've seen is "inflation actually went down this year, by 30%", to which its like "Yeah, when it increased by 200% over the previous 2 years, and also what metric are you looking at because my grocery bill has not dropped, etc".

You then find out its some skewed research study about groceries in a Ottawa Valley town that has fuckall to do with a suburb of Toronto or Hongcouver.

Because people come to conclusions first, and do their research second.
They were unaffected by lockdowns, while many working class people had their livelihoods ruined by them.
This was one of the final straws for me. The paradigm used to be, you work hard, you invest, you build your own business, and one day you are your own boss- but they literally let businesses die for nothing. Biggest single grab of market share by the oligarchs happened a few years ago, and if you had the entrapaneuership to try and create your own business before that, when covid hit- you got fucked.

I knew people who had struggled for the past decade, with rising real estate prices, competition with amazon, etc- but who were still making it, still trying to build something of their own, and somehow dealing with upturns in the market and consumer trends.

Covid policies killed that all. They left them out to dry. Now my old city is full of yuppie shops and chic sushi bars. Gentrification I guess.
The idea that the average working class person has beliefs a lot closer to early 20th century Bolsheviks and 18th century working class Frenchmen
Ironically, most do have the same views we had 100 years ago. Dunno about bolshivism, but economically left wing, socially conservative, used to be the average person's view. We're ironically probably going back to that in some sense.

The economic left we are talking about isn't 'redistribute wealth'/green socialism though, but more akin to dockworkers getting very, very pissed off when people try to employ scabs and coolies to undermine their wages and take their jobs.
 
@discorodeo, Ironically, most do have the same views we had 100 years ago. Dunno about bolshivism, but economically left wing, socially conservative, used to be the average person's view. We're ironically probably going back to that in some sense.
Bolsheviks were typically factory workers. If you're willing to use Notes of a Red Guard as a source (old school commie dude who got ran through the ringer in the Russian civil war), the rank and file Bolshevik was a working class stiff trying to educate himself and get a better lot in life through organized labor. They looked down on the poets and other such silly people who didn't produce anything material of value. They had bad relations with the peasants, who were confused at the concept of revolution beyond the ability to get one or two more acres to plant potatoes on; peasants also would refuse to abide by organized labor rules while working as seasonal labor. If Dune is to be trusted, the factory workers are far more disciplined men than the Tsar's military, who are seen abandoning the country at first opportunity with as much loot as possible.

So, yes, I would generally agree that your rank and file working class Canadian has more in common with early Bolsheviks. These were not liberal, flighty people writing slash-fiction. These are more often first generation workers leaving the farms for better opportunities created in the cities by the need for labor during WW1. The depiction of the Tsarist elites is also in keeping with the degeneracy seen by the Laurentine elite.
 
They know too well that the working class despises the overpaid laptop class.
100%. The working class also knows that importing foreigners - like shipping a fuck ton of them in a short amount of time - deludes the wages of the locals. It is not exactly a left wing policy. So who profits from it then?
I worked blue collar all my life. In a sane world I should be voting left. For somebody who protects my rights as a laborer and fights for higher wages, health care benefits, etc etc. I of course dont for obvious reasons. Also I should have been a member of some labor union during my "career". Unions are a foreign concept when you are a millennial or younger.
Being an older millennial and growing up in the 90s you kinda got used to not having political representation. There has been and is nobody who ever represented my interests in the parliament. But at least we had some sort of a "National identity".
The youngsters nowadays dont even have that: No political representation and no national identity. Conditioned to be lonely satellites floating in dead space.
 
The biggest problem, is said laptop class in my opinion. The people who aren't feeling the squeeze themselves, and the ironic Marie Antoinettes who just can't seem to relate to the Canadian dollar losing 20% of its value internationally, the squeeze on groceries, rent, etc.
The thing is that those hardships will eventually work its way up to them eventually because the laptop class lives off the backs of the working class and produce nothing of value themselves. Most TruAnons love to tout that Canada had AAA credit rating, but let's look at Canada's national debt. It doubled since Trudeau came to power and the deficits keep coming at a rate that is well past sustainable at this point. With high debts comes higher interest payments, and I suspect that the Liberal government is only just barely servicing the Federal debt and keeping that AAA rating,

However, they insist on increasing the debt, which will make servicing it increasingly untenable in the long term. The federal government already spends more on servicing the debt than it does on defense or healthcare so I can see a degradation of services over time. While Trudeau and Freeland believe they can defy the laws of economics, they can't keep borrowing money to pay or service existing debts and a credit downgrade is inevitable. That will necessitate cuts that will gut the the laptop class in order to improve our credit rating so that we can start borrowing again. It happened with my father, who was a victim of the mass government layoffs in the mid-nineties and history has a funny way of rhyming.

Oh, they can start howling about their unfair treatment, but they can expect no sympathy from the those they exploited for years. To quote John McClane, "Welcome to the party, pal!" If anything, nothing would warm my heart more to see the unwashed masses get their revenge on those that enabled the idiots who destroyed their future to show off to some billionaires as Davos. Who knows? Maybe it will happen in the coming years. There is no end of history where humanity attains utopia--it will keep moving to the beats of war, peace, and revolution. Ottawa made it clear that it made peaceful revolution impossible so perhaps violent revolution will be inevitable.
 
There is no end of history where humanity attains utopia--it will keep moving to the beats of war, peace, and revolution. Ottawa made it clear that it made peaceful revolution impossible so perhaps violent revolution will be inevitable
Consider the current state of the Canadian military- low manpower, even lower morale, most of the already meager materiel sent to Ukraine... could the Federal government even out up a fight?
 
@Jetpack Himmler

The problem isn't that the laptop class won't be affected. It's that by the time the candle burns down to their part everything else will be ash.

It's not even a case of ye olde collapse because we don't have a homogeneous population to group to group together and rebuild. Once this thin illusion of government goes away it'll be a free-for-all lootfest for all the dual nationals. They can go back to China, or India, or Malayasia.

Where can we go?

On that note, in further proof of my 'cancer spreads' theory that you just can't avoid 'shitholes' and hope it goes away: guess whose town has a violent homeless population now.
Creston, a small nowhere town barely 5k people heavy, now has fucking tent cities. And of course the bleeding hearts in town are saying how we should do more for these poor unfortunate souls who break into houses and shit on the sidewalk. It's gotten so bad the town is now looking to employ 'night watch' to patrol the biggest tent city.

This was one of the last places I expected this shit to happen. But I was naive. They know we're easy prey. This is the type of community where people don't even lock their doors at night.
 
This was one of the last places I expected this shit to happen. But I was naive. They know we're easy prey. This is the type of community where people don't even lock their doors at night.
We're the nation that invented many warcrimes during WWII. There will be a time very soon where we will individually do an audit of the morals and cultural norms we keep and begin to deal with the problem on our own. At first it will go terribly as the dregs of society will have a head start on that audit, but I'm confident that we will be able to pull together into shared identities.

This is one of the worst outcomes, but it is completely unavoidable at this point. All that's left is a sign that blesses that course of action. The events that follow have been a part of history for the older nations, who themselves will be painfully realizing that they listened to the delusions of a new nation full of untested ideas.
 
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Ironically, most do have the same views we had 100 years ago. Dunno about bolshivism, but economically left wing, socially conservative, used to be the average person's view. We're ironically probably going back to that in some sense.

The economic left we are talking about isn't 'redistribute wealth'/green socialism though, but more akin to dockworkers getting very, very pissed off when people try to employ scabs and coolies to undermine their wages and take their jobs.
Give working and middle class Canadians the National Socialist platform without telling them it’s from the Nazis and they will agree with the majority of the points.

That’s what scares the elites so much.

I just hope that I live to see the day that their Ivory towers crumble and they are found redacted from Telephone poles.
 
Consider the current state of the Canadian military- low manpower, even lower morale, most of the already meager materiel sent to Ukraine... could the Federal government even out up a fight?
I'd argue it doesn't even matter what Canada wants. If the US elite want Trudeau and company in power, they'll stay in power., and based on the present crop of pro-migration fuckheads in the US I'd say that's likely. Any sort of Canadian revolution could be crushed by US "liberation." Conversely, the US could also invade at any point in time to fight CCP interests. It's tough being a satellite state of an empire. Canada having no armed forces seems to be a consequence of existing as a client state of the US. Just look across Europe and compare pre-WW2 militaries to post-WW2 militaries.
 
@Jetpack Himmler

The problem isn't that the laptop class won't be affected. It's that by the time the candle burns down to their part everything else will be ash.

It's not even a case of ye olde collapse because we don't have a homogeneous population to group to group together and rebuild. Once this thin illusion of government goes away it'll be a free-for-all lootfest for all the dual nationals. They can go back to China, or India, or Malayasia.

Where can we go?

On that note, in further proof of my 'cancer spreads' theory that you just can't avoid 'shitholes' and hope it goes away: guess whose town has a violent homeless population now.
Creston, a small nowhere town barely 5k people heavy, now has fucking tent cities. And of course the bleeding hearts in town are saying how we should do more for these poor unfortunate souls who break into houses and shit on the sidewalk. It's gotten so bad the town is now looking to employ 'night watch' to patrol the biggest tent city.

This was one of the last places I expected this shit to happen. But I was naive. They know we're easy prey. This is the type of community where people don't even lock their doors at night.
Some municipalities forbid homelessness. Police or whatever relocates them to cities like Hamilton and Toronto because tent city is actually legal. It's like San Francisco but less shit in the street.
 
I'm seeing constant whining in thread about "the laptop class". Who the fuck is the laptop class, and off whose back are they living? People living off 40-50k CAD and working off laptops isn't going anywhere in this country.

There's a small construction firm down the road. Their guys work for 35 an hour clear in their pockets. That's after all the insurance, income tax, deductions. Despite the fact that they work 6-8 months a year and spend the rest on employment insurance, they're still making upwards of 80k CAD a year.

Their problem? They can't find anyone to work at the skill level they want. They're not big enough to train people, the reject tfws can't speak the language or respect protocol, and breaking security protocol gets the employer in deep shit with government. Rajesh, Amir and Sanjay can't do these jobs. It doesn't matter how much Marc Miller wants to cry, moan, and trash about how we need more immigrants to work construction.

These guys are making money hand over fist, because when another business or government wants to deal with them, they have a near monopoly in the area. They're free to say no, or demand more money. They have way too much work coming in at the moment.

I'm part of this so-called "laptop class", and I'm not running out of work either. I have multiple contracts lined up, some with the dinosaur oligarch firms, I have more work than I can manage to accomplish. You could say I'm McKinsey but less shit. I do not understand why firms deal with McKinsey, Accenture, and Bain. Every contract I'm on where I've had to deal with work delivered by these folks, it left the business worst off. Getting in these consulting firms is shit too, McKinsey is almost a cult, it's a big clique and neither me nor you are in it.

Almost all of these businesses I deal with, their supply chain is a mess, Rajesh can't run the marketing, the advertising is a shitshow. They're dealing with consumers having less disposable income, or fighting over the new immigrants. Day in, day out, I'm dealing with complex problems that are stressful to deal with.

Like Ser Prize said, when this shit burns, everything else is going to shit. When there is no business to improve the revenue of, there's not going to be jobs for anyone, including the so-called laptop class. I am certain that's not going to happen though. But when shit hits the fan, the rich are going to be in their gated communities and condo towers. All while the imported sand people screech about Israel in a local mall and threaten to kill the locals in the name of some god they invented.
 
I'm seeing constant whining in thread about "the laptop class". Who the fuck is the laptop class, and off whose back are they living?
I was using "laptop class" as a synonym for the civil service and various other Laurentian bootlickers, which was a mistake on my part in retrospect. I imagine that much of Trudeau's biggest supporters are in the civil service or retired from it because he will shower them with taxpayer money without any oversight. Unions like PSAC don't have to put the screws to Trudeau as hard as they would to a Conservative government so they can force concessions at the taxpayer's expense. As said on this thread before, many Canadians are historically and economically illiterate so many of Trudeau's support base are non-government normies that can't be bothered to delve into any given issue. They will default to the propaganda the our public education system taught them and deny anything that contradicts that narrative.

Since you brought the name up, in what way is McKinsey a cult and how do they leave businesses worse off? Their former CEO, Dominic Barton, was deeply embedded in the Prime Minister's Office and gained the plum appointment of Ambassador to the People's Republic of China. I get the impression that they act as a "shadow" civil service and they are as ideological as the Liberal Party, which itself is nothing more than a Trudeau personality cult these days.
 
I feel like Western Canada does much better job at integrating immigrants as the entire reason one would come to the west is jobs. You see small towns with large immigrant populations and immigrants even opting out of the service economy for more physical jobs.

Ironically, most do have the same views we had 100 years ago. Dunno about bolshivism, but economically left wing, socially conservative, used to be the average person's view. We're ironically probably going back to that in some sense.

The economic left we are talking about isn't 'redistribute wealth'/green socialism though, but more akin to dockworkers getting very, very pissed off when people try to employ scabs and coolies to undermine their wages and take their jobs.

Canada was actually more economically conservative than and socially conservative than the US until the 1960s. Canada avoided New-Deal reforms like the US, and was actually far more anti-communist than the USA during the McCarthyism era. The silent revolution in Quebec and rock n' roll kinda changed that.
 
I feel like Western Canada does much better job at integrating immigrants as the entire reason one would come to the west is jobs. You see small towns with large immigrant populations and immigrants even opting out of the service economy for more physical jobs.



Canada was actually more economically conservative than and socially conservative than the US until the 1960s. Canada avoided New-Deal reforms like the US, and was actually far more anti-communist than the USA during the McCarthyism era. The silent revolution in Quebec and rock n' roll kinda changed that.
Trudeau changed that.
 
100%. The working class also knows that importing foreigners - like shipping a fuck ton of them in a short amount of time - deludes the wages of the locals. It is not exactly a left wing policy. So who profits from it then?
I worked blue collar all my life. In a sane world I should be voting left. For somebody who protects my rights as a laborer and fights for higher wages, health care benefits, etc etc. I of course dont for obvious reasons. Also I should have been a member of some labor union during my "career". Unions are a foreign concept when you are a millennial or younger.
Being an older millennial and growing up in the 90s you kinda got used to not having political representation. There has been and is nobody who ever represented my interests in the parliament. But at least we had some sort of a "National identity".
The youngsters nowadays dont even have that: No political representation and no national identity. Conditioned to be lonely satellites floating in dead space.

No political representation is right.

There's a video (that I cant find anymore, wiped from the internet) of Jagmeet Singh breaking character and smirking when a reporter quizzed him about how any proposed benefit has criteria for an income so low the majority of 'working class' won't qualify for it and that seemed deliberate.
 
No political representation is right.

There's a video (that I cant find anymore, wiped from the internet) of Jagmeet Singh breaking character and smirking when a reporter quizzed him about how any proposed benefit has criteria for an income so low the majority of 'working class' won't qualify for it and that seemed deliberate.
That’s probably the Dental care or Pharmacare that he always goes on about,

None for working class White people but if you are a 60 year Pajeet who never contributed to Canada and came in through chain migration (I mean family reunion fication) than we have to pay for you.
 
I feel like Western Canada does much better job at integrating immigrants as the entire reason one would come to the west is jobs. You see small towns with large immigrant populations and immigrants even opting out of the service economy for more physical jobs.
A small town is as ill equipped as a bughive to suffer infimmigration, perhaps even worse because there's no jobs. The only well integrated immigrant I know is my pharmacist and he's been here for like thirteen years.

It's simply not possible to integrate that many people with our population size. It's a fool's errand to even try. And I can tell you for a fact that blue collar workers fucking hate it when an immigrant gets brought in on a temp visa to replace them.
 
It's simply not possible to integrate that many people with our population size. It's a fool's errand to even try. And I can tell you for a fact that blue collar workers fucking hate it when an immigrant gets brought in on a temp visa to replace them.
I've heard of small towns in Europe that suddenly become half-migrant because the government dumps them there. It doesn't surprise me that they are doing it here in Canada. They never consider how this erodes social cohesion and produces a low-trust society.
 
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