Canada is a failed state

[Ookoo Squad]

In completely unrelated news, Alberta just greatly lowered the requirements for a citizen-initiated referendum. One day after the election. I'm still in "nothing ever happens" mode, but, OK.

 

[Betonhaus]

In completely unrelated news, Alberta just greatly lowered the requirements for a citizen-initiated referendum. One day after the election. I'm still in "nothing ever happens" mode, but, OK.

Is there one now?

 

[TwoDollarPeePeePooPoo]

Since the liberals won, we're going to annex your country. You won't become a state, nor will you be able to vote in our elections. Basically, you and your fellow Canadians will work for us. We will take your resources, and follow our laws.

When we knock on your door, you let us in. We OWN that fucking door.

You try to stop us? We'll knock that fucker down.

I don't see how this wasn't already true at any point in history. Canada only ever existed because America allowed it to.

 

[OutInTheRain]

So, how long do you guys give it before being patriotic is racist again?

Give it a week. Or the moment someone talks back to the government.

 

[Kela de Thaym]

How long until the new PM bans Americans from entering the country?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

We aren't even a country now

We haven't been for at least 5 years. We've been a post national state / economic zone

 

[harbringer883]

So, how long do you guys give it before being patriotic is racist again?

one year. I expect UK style censorship laws to come in place soon.

We haven't been for at least 5 years. We've been a post national state / economic zone

brought to you by the WEF

 

[The Cum Beast]

If the usa does annex all of canada, it basically would become one big puerto rico, with probably less autonomy. At the same time the only provinces the would be considered for statehood are the 4 western provinces (bc is not as likely but i could see it becoming a state simply to curb chinese influence there).

one year. I expect UK style censorship laws to come in place soon.

i also predict they will push how we need to eat ze bugz

 

[Flan Handler]

Is there one now?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-overhauls-election-laws-to-allow-corporate-donations-change-referendum-thresholds-1.7522144

Currently the threshold for a citizen-initiated referendum was 10% if eligible voters in 60 days (600k currently). The new threshold is 10% of voters in the last election in 120 days (200k) this is actually big news, and likely not an accident it drops the day after a carney win.

 

[Arv3k]

So, how long do you guys give it before being patriotic is racist again?

When orange man (bad) is gone and they no longer need it.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I can now proudly fly American flag without reprisals.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

If the usa does annex all of canada, it basically would become one big puerto rico, with probably less autonomy. At the same time the only provinces the would be considered for statehood are the 4 western provinces (bc is not as likely but i could see it becoming a state simply to curb chinese influence there).

Most of Ontario voted blue you would just have to separate the northern Ontario Injun parts into their own territory.

Southwestern Ontario up to Kitchener and the coast of Lake Huron would be the State of Huron. (Unless we name it the State of Fitzgerald after the Edmund Fitzgerald)

Ottawa would become a capital territory like DC but instead of ghettos of niggers around the government offices it would be ghettos of Jeets.

The Golden Horseshoe from Niagara to Oshawa would become a city state territory (call it Niagara)

Rural Eastern Ontario would then become its own state lets call it Frontenac

 

[karaokeman]

Canadians are so God damn retarded, I can't.

First of all, Trump would have been more lenient to Canada if we didn't implement reciprocal tariffs.

The reason the American tariffs exists is because America needs to be able to compete with China in the mass production of warships, tanks, and aircrafts. No one can compete with China right now in wartime production.

The tariffs hurt us but long term it benefits Canada by preventing a Chinese domination on wartime production.

Second, Carney is the biggest liar of them all, he's promising to improve cost of living while maintaining high immigration rates. That's literally impossible. We do not have the productive capacity to build enough infrastructure to support our population growth. We need drastic and severe cuts to immigration.

Canadian voters, especially Boomers, voted in a way that is completely against our national interests, they just heard Carney pretending to be a patriot and then promised millions of houses.

Canadians by electing Liberals first just made it more difficult to convince Americans to be more lenient to us especially in wartime production, and second just doomed every young adult into never being able to afford to live.

 

[Not Who You Think]

Some thoughts after reviewing reactions to the latest happenings in Canada:

Some Canadians are talking about Alberta separating from Canada. Meanwhile, a number of Americans are saying they don't want any part of Canada (with a few making exceptions for Alberta) because they don't want the problems that come with it.

The USA has enjoyed having oceans between them an much of the world excepting Canada and Mexico. If Canada collapses and/or becomes compromised by other nations then the USA would be sharing a very large border with whatever horrible country Canada further degrades into. Also, while the USA seems to have an interest in Indian workers, they seem less inclined to want to share an extensive physical northern border with a soon-to-be India equivalent.

The USA already seems to be in the process of holding Canada to account for being a bad neighbor (mildly putting it), but Canada's ego and complacency in their "response" has been nothing short of alarming. Canada doesn't like being called out for making the mess they're in any more than the USA wants to clean it up and there isn't a resolution where there are only benefits (no matter what Trump posts on social media). Invasion, annexation, or just ignoring Canada all carry risk for both sides obviously.

It also seems a bit odd to think the USA can just choose one province within Canada to take and leave the rest alone given current circumstances. While Alberta joining the USA in some way might solve some of Alberta's problems with Canada, the USA somehow taking Alberta doesn't solve the problems the USA has with Canada as a whole since Canada is still a large landmass that can present a security risk (among other problems). Taking Canada piecemeal might be an option, but only taking Alberta would be odd.

Counterpoints are welcome. This is just how I see things right now.

TL/DR:

• The USA ignoring the rot in Canada solves nothing and is more likely to create problems for both down the road.
• Canada is incapable of self-correction so the USA is going to have to deal with Canada's problems the problem that is Canada at some point. It seems like the USA has already kicked things off via the tariffs and openly calling out Canada for being a bad neighbor in decline.
• The USA just taking Alberta only really seems to solve Alberta's problem with Canada. Not that Alberta has nothing to bring to the table in joining the USA (they do), it just doesn't really solve problems the USA currently has with Canada in general. Taking Canada piecemeal might be an option, but only taking Alberta would be odd.

 

[karaokeman]

America can't fix Canada's rot because Canadians are retarded.

The first and proper response to the tariffs would have been to appease Americans and placate them to be more lenient with us.

Instead we implemented reciprocal tariffs.

And on top of that our immigratiom rate is absurdly high and mainly coming from undesirable places, basketcase dumps like India and Africa.

America cannot fix this rot. America has a safeguard with immigration through nationality caps, and America will never compromise in terms of wartime production, its a matter of life and death for America to be able to outproduce China.

When China can mass produce aircrafts, tanks, and ships at a rate higher than America, the West is screwed, if not already screwed.

The big problem lies in Canadians, they have no geopolitical comprehension beyond criticising every other country and relying on American military protection. They can't see the fucking forest for the trees. They just see Trump bad and they think Indian slop is delicious.

 

[orangecat]

Well, at the very least, we can now say that Canada has chosen the more interesting option, if not the more intelligent one. Seeing Canada breaking up or battling Trump's politics would be interesting (though it's probably more realistic that they'll find a stalemate and things will continue on a downward trend until a foreign power takes over).

 

[harbringer883]

America can't fix Canada's rot because Canadians are retarded.

The first and proper response to the tariffs would have been to appease Americans and placate them to be more lenient with us.

Instead we implemented reciprocal tariffs.

And on top of that our immigratiom rate is absurdly high and mainly coming from undesirable places, basketcase dumps like India and Africa.

America cannot fix this rot. America has a safeguard with immigration through nationality caps, and America will never compromise in terms of wartime production, its a matter of life and death for America to be able to outproduce China.

When China can mass produce aircrafts, tanks, and ships at a rate higher than America, the West is screwed, if not already screwed.

The big problem lies in Canadians, they have no geopolitical comprehension beyond criticising every other country and relying on American military protection. They can't see the fucking forest for the trees. They just see Trump bad and they think Indian slop is delicious.

yeah, we are beyond fucked

 

[TwoDollarPeePeePooPoo]

it just doesn't really solve problems the USA currently has with Canada in general

There won't be a "Canada" if they take Alberta. Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC are the only things keeping this "country" afloat with Alberta doing the heavy lifting in that trio. Pulling it out would send the eastern provinces into an economic tailspin as the Atlantic provinces nosedive into poverty and Quebec starts bitching and moaning that its transfer payments (welfare) isn't arriving on time. Even Ontario would suffer from taking on the burden of having to provide for its parasitic neighbors. They'd beg for Saskatchewan and BC to bail them out but in that scenario I think Saskatchewan would join Alberta with BC being a toss-up. While I think most of the province would want to leave, the pakis/chinks/commies who make up the Vancouver area would fight tooth and nail to keep the gibs flowing.

 

[Betonhaus]

https://albertaprosperityproject.com/

"Intent to petition" is up

 

[karaokeman]

yeah, we are beyond fucked

To be fair I did not fully understand the depth of the American tariffs beyond just economics. It is to secure American wartime supremacy against China. This isn't just some silly nonsense over Trump not liking Trudeau. China will be peerless if America cannot mass produce wartime equipment.

But I think anyone who had any sense over geopolitics would have understood that the most stable option for Canada would have been to be diplomatic with Washington D.C. rather than try to quote, hurt Americans, quote, because it would have placed us in a better position to work with the Americans regardless.

Now with the full understanding of America fighting for survival to outproduce China in a wartime scenario, Canada is absolutely screwed. Words have been said, and actions speak even louder than words, and it cannot be undone. Canada is a shameless chihuahua barking loudly while the USA is wrestling with China.