Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

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Kari Kamiya said:
My friend's more well-versed in the deets, but something like that happened to Harvey Beaks to where the creator spoke out about it. Of course, that was considered a big no-no by his Nickelodeon overlords, and I'm not sure if he's been working in the industry much anymore.
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Thankfully Greenblatt still has a job, he's currently working on a project for Disney and he's still doing Jellystone. So at least he didn't get screwed over.
 
starborn427614 said:
I've forgotten most of the minutia of that shitshow, but he did make a tumblr post about it apologizing for whatever the fuck they were accusing him of...
The image even got taken out of future editions of the art book and Sugar publicly addressed it on Twitter. I've seen my share of hypocrisy in this industry in my time, but this comes across as more of a case of sloppy communication rather than actual malice.

Not that the image of a black gem who can't read isn't hilarious out of context, mind you.
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I wanted so badly to find the art book Concrete existed in before they pulled it off shelves back in the day; but alas, the shops within a 200 mile radius of me don't really sell good shit like that.

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Lmao this reads like worst apology letter ever.
So basically, the people involved in creating the racist character were given a stern frown and maybe a five-minute lecture on why black-face is no-no, but nothing was promised to change?

Also, Lamar is such a wuss; throwing the others under the bus and taking no blame. Like, "Well, I did draw her technically, but I didn't write those words! Even if we all had a little chuckle, we talked about how it was bad :)"

Kari Kamiya said:
My friend's more well-versed in the deets, but something like that happened to Harvey Beaks to where the creator spoke out about it. Of course, that was considered a big no-no by his Nickelodeon overlords, and I'm not sure if he's been working in the industry much anymore.
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Greenblatt has a point that networks have no sense about the creative industry, other than what sells, and will often kill off a project if they think something else will make more money.
Having said that, at the end of the day it is a business, and companies should communicate with their suppliers and workers about what they're doing. That's just good business sense.

Creators like Greenblatt shouldn't feel like they have to take their talk to social media to address their complaints. (And then get bitched at by Nick for complaining about a real problem).
Instead, Nick should've done the proper thing and communicated that they were moving the program to Nicktoons, and that the show wasn't gonna get another season due to bad business models/selfish favoritism low views, and then allowed Greenblatt to write a decent show conclusion so everyone could feel fulfilled.

Like holy shit, that's 7 years of hard work the company just up and dumped like nothing, and didn't tell anyone why or that they were doing it until shit hit the fan.
 
GGnoob1890 said:
Greenblatt has a point that networks have no sense about the creative industry, other than what sells, and will often kill off a project if they think something else will make more money.
Having said that, at the end of the day it is a business, and companies should communicate with their suppliers and workers about what they're doing. That's just good business sense.

Creators like Greenblatt shouldn't feel like they have to take their talk to social media to address their complaints. (And then get bitched at by Nick for complaining about a real problem).
Instead, Nick should've done the proper thing and communicated that they were moving the program to Nicktoons, and that the show wasn't gonna get another season due to bad business models/selfish favoritism low views, and then allowed Greenblatt to write a decent show conclusion so everyone could feel fulfilled.

Like holy shit, that's 7 years of hard work the company just up and dumped like nothing, and didn't tell anyone why or that they were doing it until shit hit the fan.
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Nickelodeon has always been a shit company, especially when it comes to covering for known scumbags like Dan Schneider, and treating shows like Welcome to the Wayne, Legend of Korra, and of course Harvey Beaks like shit.

And it's the same sad truth with other companies with Cartoon Network.
 
northstar747 said:
Basically AT&T copied disney and went hey we need to buy media companies and librarys because streaming is the future!

one year later

Shit were a fucking phone company we dont know how to run media company sell this shit.

Discovery channel hey we just bought warner from ATT shit....we need to save money quick write everything off.
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Say what you want about Comcast (even as a cable company), but at least they understood HOW to do streaming and also run a gigantic movie/TV studio they own (case in point, NBCUniversal). AT&T still can't do shit, even if they bought DirecTV.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
So many people there were/are married which is why they'd have the production babies list in their credits, and they'd just talk about home life and seek each other out for advice and such. Was just bros helping out bros.
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Nicest Person on a Honda said:
The more I read through this thread the more horrified I am that these people do not understand that their job is making entertainment for children.
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This is late as hell, but these two points really nail what I couldn’t figure out about modern animation/storytelling.

These new industry people don’t want children. Most of them still act like children themselves. So why should I trust or even bother with a show aimed at kids and families when I know the people writing and drawing it have no earthly idea what kids are like?
 
Orange Tabby said:
This is late as hell, but these two points really nail what I couldn’t figure out about modern animation/storytelling.

These new industry people don’t want children. Most of them still act like children themselves. So why should I trust or even bother with a show aimed at kids and families when I know the people writing and drawing it have no earthly idea what kids are like?
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The core audience are grown-ass adults who act like babies which does not come across as a surprise.
 
Orange Tabby said:
This is late as hell, but these two points really nail what I couldn’t figure out about modern animation/storytelling.

These new industry people don’t want children. Most of them still act like children themselves. So why should I trust or even bother with a show aimed at kids and families when I know the people writing and drawing it have no earthly idea what kids are like?
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Probably because they only care about aborting them rather than dealing with the burden raising kids themselves, why do you think they got so pissed off when Roe V. Wade was overturned.
 
GGnoob1890 said:
I wanted so badly to find the art book Concrete existed in before they pulled it off shelves back in the day; but alas, the shops within a 200 mile radius of me don't really sell good shit like that.

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Lmao this reads like worst apology letter ever.
So basically, the people involved in creating the racist character were given a stern frown and maybe a five-minute lecture on why black-face is no-no, but nothing was promised to change?

Also, Lamar is such a wuss; throwing the others under the bus and taking no blame. Like, "Well, I did draw her technically, but I didn't write those words! Even if we all had a little chuckle, we talked about how it was bad :)"


Greenblatt has a point that networks have no sense about the creative industry, other than what sells, and will often kill off a project if they think something else will make more money.
Having said that, at the end of the day it is a business, and companies should communicate with their suppliers and workers about what they're doing. That's just good business sense.

Creators like Greenblatt shouldn't feel like they have to take their talk to social media to address their complaints. (And then get bitched at by Nick for complaining about a real problem).
Instead, Nick should've done the proper thing and communicated that they were moving the program to Nicktoons, and that the show wasn't gonna get another season due to bad business models/selfish favoritism low views, and then allowed Greenblatt to write a decent show conclusion so everyone could feel fulfilled.

Like holy shit, that's 7 years of hard work the company just up and dumped like nothing, and didn't tell anyone why or that they were doing it until shit hit the fan.
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I actually have the original copy of that book. I've wondered if it was worth anything. If there was a way to not dox myself I'd offer it to you.
 
Trianon said:
Agree completely that Cartoon Brew sucks. The guy who runs it, Amid Amidi, honestly just manufactures praise for shows his friends make and eviscerates other shows for no reason. He's unbelievably bitter and lame.
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Know of any better animation-related news sites, then? Sometimes I feel like he's the only one who manages to keep his finger on the pulse of what goes on in the industry despite his biases.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Know of any better animation-related news sites, then? Sometimes I feel like he's the only one who manages to keep his finger on the pulse of what goes on in the industry despite his biases.
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Last time I looked for one, I honestly gave up. It's been a few years since I followed animation news super closely though.
 
GGnoob1890 said:
That is very sweet of you. :)
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It's a neat little art book with lots of information in it. I was always so disappointed with art books I'd get because there's be almost no actual information about the creative process or character creation or anything, but this one had a lot iirc. If you're into the show it's worth it.
 
I recently got around to watching Coonskin made by Ralph Bakshi and I thought it was all right. Personally, I didn’t mind the offensive themes being shown in the movie since it managed to mock all sides of the coin — blacks, whites, gays/trannies, Italians, cops, hustlers, prostitutes, pimps, preachers being charlatans (you name it, Ralph did it).

Though, it had me thinking about what the modern animator of today would think of a movie like this. The animation was still well done, even if the story was all over the place. I’ve already seen Fritz The Cat and I’m gearing up to watch Heavy Traffic soon, so I was wondering your thoughts on what you think about movies being made like that back then, and thinking what happened in today’s world where you can’t make fun of today’s special token groups.

I already know the obvious, but I just thought it was funny to really think back about it after watching it.
 
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Jonah Hill poster said:
Though, it had me thinking about what the modern animator of today would think of a movie like this.
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My high school animation teacher during a History of Animation hour talked about Ralph Bakshi and mentioned she actually wanted to show some of Coonskin to the class, but in one of her other hours, she had a black student and didn't want to offend him. It's interesting she wanted to go with that movie in particular among Bakshi's other repertoire, never found out why.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Know of any better animation-related news sites, then? Sometimes I feel like he's the only one who manages to keep his finger on the pulse of what goes on in the industry despite his biases.
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Jerry Beck’s Cartoon Research is pretty good. They’re not exactly a “news” site, per se, but they’re much better than Cartoon Brew.
 
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