CHAZ/CHOP: Autonomous No Cop Zone and Commune Declared In Seattle - Render unto Warlord Raz what is owed to Warlord Raz

[muh_moobs]

Wouldn't it be nice if there was some group of people you could call if someone violently robbed you and stole your money?

I wonder what you'd call some group like that.

Heh. Niggas

And I am sure all the peaceful protesters will respect the order.
Remember it's not them who are killing grandma, it's the people who are going to church. Covid dont spread to those who are on the right side of history.

Iz u sain kongz iz rong? Fuckin waysis!

 

[GatorWrasslin]

A little update from the Capitol Hill Blog about Mayor Durkan's plans to memorialize CHAZ. Not a lot of updates but there is a bit about those poor wilting gardens that got all the feels from Kiwis.

Spoiler: Only one comment on the article right now and its pretty based:

Aguirre says the goal “is to engage community around how we can use Seattle’s parks spaces to support better outcomes for BIPOC communities in our city and our region.”

Asians are the largest minority in the city and county. 70% of the city is white yet everything has to revolve around good outcomes for BIPOC people which seems to exclude Asians but include Hispanics? Which seems to exclude Jews but include Muslims? Despite claiming BIPOC is inclusive it is obvious that one demographic is getting far more attention then the rest of the 94% of Seattle combined.

 

[ForTheHoard]

A little update from the Capitol Hill Blog about Mayor Durkan's plans to memorialize CHAZ. Not a lot of updates but there is a bit about those poor wilting gardens that got all the feels from Kiwis.

Spoiler: Only one comment on the article right now and its pretty based:

Aguirre says the goal “is to engage community around how we can use Seattle’s parks spaces to support better outcomes for BIPOC communities in our city and our region.”

Asians are the largest minority in the city and county. 70% of the city is white yet everything has to revolve around good outcomes for BIPOC people which seems to exclude Asians but include Hispanics? Which seems to exclude Jews but include Muslims? Despite claiming BIPOC is inclusive it is obvious that one demographic is getting far more attention then the rest of the 94% of Seattle combined.

A ton of my friends in the city were all about Bernie in 2016 and all about Andrew Yang in 2020. Most of them are getting redpilled from the riots, and even more of them participated on the first night. A few of them may jump the fence and vote Trump, but the rest of the down ballot will stay blue. Except Inslee. People really fucking hate Inslee right now. He's still probably gonna win, though.

 

[Meat Target]

A little update from the Capitol Hill Blog about Mayor Durkan's plans to memorialize CHAZ. Not a lot of updates but there is a bit about those poor wilting gardens that got all the feels from Kiwis.

Spoiler: Only one comment on the article right now and its pretty based:

Aguirre says the goal “is to engage community around how we can use Seattle’s parks spaces to support better outcomes for BIPOC communities in our city and our region.”

Asians are the largest minority in the city and county. 70% of the city is white yet everything has to revolve around good outcomes for BIPOC people which seems to exclude Asians but include Hispanics? Which seems to exclude Jews but include Muslims? Despite claiming BIPOC is inclusive it is obvious that one demographic is getting far more attention then the rest of the 94% of Seattle combined.

Memorializing an insurrection where blacks were murdered by other blacks to prove that Black Lives Matter?

Do I only not see the logic in this because of my white privilege?

 

[GatorWrasslin]

Another day another grandstanding moment from that idiot Council Sawant. She thinks all the Seattle City Council people are just giving lip service to defunding the cops by 50% so Sawant is putting her plan out there.

Some observations

Spoiler: homeless hordes

The cuts she will propose would come from “across-the-board reductions on patrols and other operations” and “entirely” eliminating the SPD Navigation Team responsible for clearing homeless encampments.

lol for days. Anyone in Seattle will tell you that the homeless situations is bad, really really bad, and the encampments already know how to milk the lenient system for maximum lulz. Theyre given autonomy in their camps, drug use and assaults, and when a neighborhood finally gets attention there has to be notice posted at least 72 hours in advance of a clear out, so campers and homeless just kind of dissappear for a bit and wait for their sites to get cleaned up at city expense and then they just move right back in usually an hour or two later. Under all the highways, I5, 99, 520, even in some of the nicest parts of the city, like Portage Bay and Montlake and the Arboretum and Interlaken have these problems. The homeless people love it because they can just roam around residential neghiborhoods at night trying car doors and peeking in garages for shit to steal and trade for drugs. I've posted previously about the Seattle Center homeless mansion, and theres lots of info out there about the problems in The Jungle and Nickelsville and even just a simple drive up I5 will show rows of tents and makeshift communities. It's really bad and Sawant is going to make it so so so much worse.

Spoiler: Anything to win

In her press conference, Sawant said as a socialist, she is opposed to layoffs in the city. But she repeated her point that the city is already readying job cuts across its departments and that the city’s police force should not be separate from those sacrifices.

Further proof that Sawant has no principles except her own grandstanding. One of the things I always thought was true among principled people on all sides of the fence was "I don't agree with X but I will protect your right to it". Sawant? "I don't agree with this thing but these are my enemies so fuck them." This person is willing to compromise her principles to score a win. She is a violent speaker and a ruthless coward.

Sawant is terrible, really really terrible. She is so far left she is about to become the kind of evil history has shown us time and atime again is possible. In other posts in this thread Ive posted her violent speeches, her grandstanding, how she will attack a target by any means if it looks good to her zombie followers, and now we have proof by her own hand that her personal gain is more important than honoring her principles. "Im opposed to this lol but fuck the police." Sawant is a terrible, terrible person.

Meanwhile City Council President Gonzalez is sitting back waiting for Mayor Durkan to get recalled so she can become mayor.
If the petition survives, the mayor’s opponents will need to collect over 50,000 signatures from Seattle voters within 180 days. The recall election would be a simple up-or-down vote on Durkan, and her removal would result in the City Council’s president, currently M. Lorena González, becoming mayor.

ETA there's some based comments in the first article though. People turning on Sawant.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Breaking news, kids! Washington governor Inslee just extended the COVID restrictions "indefinitely": https://twitter.com/waEMD/status/1288266628505808896

Well, unless you're 'protesting' anyway.

 

[GatorWrasslin]

Slow news day for the CHAZ thread although Seattle got a few mentions in the general riot thread, now we're supposed to give up land to BIPOC, here you go, have a park.

Question for Seattle and NW Kiwis before tonights mayhem starts - with Tuesday as last day of the primary voting, what do you think we'll see on Aug 4th? Will this primary election give some hints on the silent populations outside of Seattle but in King County are feeling about CHAZ and the protests and Inslee's shtdowns, or are the races too full of crazies right now to really get an idea?

Get those votes in - if you didn't get your mail ballot or didnt registr or whatev you can go to Seahawks Stadium and do it.

Edited because I got the days wrong.

 

[introvertedobserver]

Slow news day for the CHAZ thread although Seattle got a few mentions in the general riot thread, now we're supposed to give up land to BIPOC, here you go, have a park.

Question for Seattle and NW Kiwis before tonights mayhem starts - with Tuesday as last day of the primary voting, what do you think we'll see on Aug 4th? Will this primary election give some hints on the silent populations outside of Seattle but in King County are feeling about CHAZ and the protests and Inslee's shtdowns, or are the races too full of crazies right now to really get an idea?

Get those votes in - if you didn't get your mail ballot or didnt registr or whatev you can go to Seahawks Stadium and do it.

Edited because I got the days wrong.

The whole council is on some serious crack.

It looks like their whole plan as far as "law enforcement" is to just hand off funds to non-government established "community-blah-blah" groups that meet the established criteria, meaning the new law enforcement in Seattle may well not be restricted by any Constitutional limitations.

Piss off whoever is in charge of those groups and they more or less have free reign to do all the shit cops can't legally do (unreasonable search and seizure, arrest without probable cause, held without charges, etc...).

The actual best case scenario in this situation is that they stick to "expropriating" wealthier peoples shit and making the lives of dissenters miserable. The worst case is it's totally ineffective and gangs/cartels take over. Which gets you similar results but also with a touch of people being flayed alive and routinely executed.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

It looks like their whole plan as far as "law enforcement" is to just hand off funds to non-government established "community-blah-blah" groups that meet the established criteria, meaning the new law enforcement in Seattle may well not be restricted by any Constitutional limitations.

Plus, like Black Lives Matter itself, many of these "community organizations" will likely just be DNC shells, which will funnel a lot of the tax money right back into the party's coffers.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Not to go full-Godwin's Law about this, but someone once pointed out that Sawant is from a part of India that uses Mein Kampf as teaching material in business schools. Seemed batshit until I saw this: Hitler memorabilia 'attracts young Indians'

Don't understand Indians being into Hitler when their Paki neighbors next door are right wing by their standards. India has been socialist but non aligned for most of its history though. Whereas Pakistan has had a history of right wing militiary dictatorships.

 

[AnOminous]

Don't understand Indians being into Hitler when their Paki neighbors next door are right wing by their standards. India has been socialist but non aligned for most of its history though. Whereas Pakistan has had a history of right wing militiary dictatorships.

Indians don't really care about World War II and it's barely even taught in their history courses. It wasn't really relevant to Indian interests at the time and they had very little to do with it. Indians are very interested in nationalism, though, and Mein Kampf in particular is one of the best selling old books in bookstores. There's also a lot of visual appeal to Hitler, Nazi uniforms and similar things.

Highly educated Indians sometimes find this embarrassing, but your average Indian would be perplexed if you had any problem with it. Hitler just doesn't have any particular meaning to them. Those who actually do approve of Hitler for ideological reasons are more interested in his nationalism than they care at all about Jews or anti-Semitism.

Then, of course, there are more esoteric reasons, but those are a bit more complicated and really have nothing to do with Hitler in pop culture.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Indians don't really care about World War II and it's barely even taught in their history courses. It wasn't really relevant to Indian interests at the time and they had very little to do with it. Indians are very interested in nationalism, though, and Mein Kampf in particular is one of the best selling old books in bookstores. There's also a lot of visual appeal to Hitler, Nazi uniforms and similar things.

Highly educated Indians sometimes find this embarrassing, but your average Indian would be perplexed if you had any problem with it. Hitler just doesn't have any particular meaning to them. Those who actually do approve of Hitler for ideological reasons are more interested in his nationalism than they care at all about Jews or anti-Semitism.

Then, of course, there are more esoteric reasons, but those are a bit more complicated and really have nothing to do with Hitler in pop culture.

There were so close to being conquered by the Japanese and yeah its a shame they don't teach it since the British Indian Army was the largest group in the British Empire arsenal.

Battle of the Tennis Court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[robobobo]

Indians don't really care about World War II and it's barely even taught in their history courses. It wasn't really relevant to Indian interests at the time and they had very little to do with it. Indians are very interested in nationalism, though, and Mein Kampf in particular is one of the best selling old books in bookstores. There's also a lot of visual appeal to Hitler, Nazi uniforms and similar things.

Highly educated Indians sometimes find this embarrassing, but your average Indian would be perplexed if you had any problem with it. Hitler just doesn't have any particular meaning to them. Those who actually do approve of Hitler for ideological reasons are more interested in his nationalism than they care at all about Jews or anti-Semitism.

Then, of course, there are more esoteric reasons, but those are a bit more complicated and really have nothing to do with Hitler in pop culture.

Well look at us, there are like two Genghis Khan restaurants in my town, and dude was an absolute monster. Hitler was more recent, yeah, but people tend to just not really give a shit about evil people if there's any degree of separation between themselves and the people in question. Give humanity another hundred years and you'll be seeing the Hitler bratwurst restaurant chain popping up.

 

[Humble Shitpost Merchant]

Indians don't really care about World War II and it's barely even taught in their history courses. It wasn't really relevant to Indian interests at the time and they had very little to do with it. Indians are very interested in nationalism, though, and Mein Kampf in particular is one of the best selling old books in bookstores. There's also a lot of visual appeal to Hitler, Nazi uniforms and similar things.

They don't teach it because it's kind of a sore spot for them. A lot of Indians died fighting the Japanese on behalf of the British, largely as conscripts, and the sole reason they were even involved in the war was because the UK owned them. Which means an absurd amount of casualties largely go unacknowledged for the sake of soothing wounded pride. There were roughly about 1.5 to 2 million Indian casualties, the majority of them civilian, which while not as patently absurd as the amount of deaths in Germany or Russia is definitely more than what was experienced by the Phillipines, France, or even the UK itself, London bombings and all.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Well look at us, there are like two Genghis Khan restaurants in my town, and dude was an absolute monster. Hitler was more recent, yeah, but people tend to just not really give a shit about evil people if there's any degree of separation between themselves and the people in question. Give humanity another hundred years and you'll be seeing the Hitler bratwurst restaurant chain popping up.

I mean, "Red Baron" pizza...

I think the only reason we don't already have Hitler bratwurst chains is that he became so thoroughly tied to what in the latter half of the 20th century became the secular original sin, the greatest and most deplorable sin imaginable: racism. It's not that Hitler killed millions of people, plunged the world into war, or condoned and encouraged some of the most cruel and brutal experimentation ever seen before that makes him a bad guy anymore, it's that he was THE racist. The very worst racist ever in history. (Well until Bad Orange Man at least.) A society that has to purge syrup and rice mascots for fear of racism isn't going to be turning someone who's largely used to define the (somehow still vague) concept of racism into one even within a century.

Similarly to how Columbus is seen as pure evil for being a European who was racist to brown people. But Genghis Khan is fine because he just targeted other Asian people for his raping and slaughtering, he may have been a murderous imperialistic warlord but he wasn't racist so it's all good. (Trying to explain to them that the people he and his line conquered and violated did not see themselves as the same race at all does not compute. They're all Asians, therefore the same race, and as long as it's not racist it's fine. I'm not even exaggerating, I've been told this multiple times when I've brought up stuff like the Japanese terrorizing China. "They're all Asian so it's not racist. White people invented racism.")

 

[Overly Serious]

Similarly to how Columbus is seen as pure evil for being a European who was racist to brown people. But Genghis Khan is fine because he just targeted other Asian people for his raping and slaughtering, he may have been a murderous imperialistic warlord but he wasn't racist so it's all good. (Trying to explain to them that the people he and his line conquered and violated did not see themselves as the same race at all does not compute. They're all Asians, therefore the same race, and as long as it's not racist it's fine. I'm not even exaggerating, I've been told this multiple times when I've brought up stuff like the Japanese terrorizing China. "They're all Asian so it's not racist. White people invented racism.")

The attitude is everywhere with these people. Debating someone in a pub (before the lockdown) and they were going on about English colonialism - fine plenty of criticisms you can make but you can't use it to condemn people today because all peoples have done it. He insisted it wasn't true; I asked which people hadn't. He picked (his words) "scandinavians". Great was my mirth as I exclaimed "The VIKINGS? The fucking rape-pillage-danegeld VIKINGS?" But his response revealed a lot about how he thought when he said - "yes, but they weren't as wide ranging". I knew immediately what he meant by that. He meant that their victims were other White peope, that their victims were European. It didn't matter that Christian saxons or Irish people shared not a language, religion, ethnicity or culture with those raiding, raping and killing them. It was more acceptable because it was White on White violence in his mind.

They think of people as group identities. Conflict within a group identity they have assigned doesn't register to them. It's only between White people and their group. The origin of that attitude is somewhat logical - in life, an ethical person is first concerned with their own behaviour. You make sure you do the right thing first of all. And that's why they're obsessed with the faults of White people only. But the flaw is the same flaw it always is: they see it in terms of some mental construct of a group identity they've built in their minds. Individual injustices are meaningless to them.

 

[NeroRisotto]

I think the only reason we don't already have Hitler bratwurst chains is that he became so thoroughly tied to what in the latter half of the 20th century became the secular original sin, the greatest and most deplorable sin imaginable: racism. It's not that Hitler killed millions of people, plunged the world into war, or condoned and encouraged some of the most cruel and brutal experimentation ever seen before that makes him a bad guy anymore, it's that he was THE racist. The very worst racist ever in history. (Well until Bad Orange Man at least.) A society that has to purge syrup and rice mascots for fear of racism isn't going to be turning someone who's largely used to define the (somehow still vague) concept of racism into one even within a century.

Nah, the worst thing about Hitler was the fact that Blacks, Jews, and LGBTQWHATEVA were among the people he hated. His feelings on Slavs and his big plans for them if he won is A-OK.

 

[GatorWrasslin]

What the hell are you all even talking about?

Lets see if I can get this thread back onto the CHAZ and BLM and its affect on Seattle. Any you hipsters listen to KEXP? Any of you longtime fans who maybe even remember when it was KCMU? Changes are coming, the prime time slots are being taken away from white people given to BIPOCs.

Program Director and “The Morning Show” host John Richards said the changes were necessary at a station where mostly white, male DJs held the prime-time on-air slots.

“We have amazing people of color on our staff, but they were all sort of on the outskirts of the” prime-time schedule, Richards said. “They were on Sunday nights and on the weekends and that’s not the way we should be programmed, and we know that. And it took something to wake us up to that fact as well: ‘You know what, this is the time to do that.’ We have the DJs, our community supports us and we need to step up and we need to get better and get more diverse voices on the air right away. And that’s what we did.”

Might just be good marketing, align with BLM and diversty, and the only competition is KUBE hip hop radio, kind of a light format shift. We'll see how much all the LARPing hipsters out every night protestng like the changes when they can't listen to skinny-jeans light-punk-rock any more during there afternoon barista shift. good career move for Mizell Jr though.

 

[ForTheHoard]

What the hell are you all even talking about?

Lets see if I can get this thread back onto the CHAZ and BLM and its affect on Seattle. Any you hipsters listen to KEXP? Any of you longtime fans who maybe even remember when it was KCMU? Changes are coming, the prime time slots are being taken away from white people given to BIPOCs.

Program Director and “The Morning Show” host John Richards said the changes were necessary at a station where mostly white, male DJs held the prime-time on-air slots.

“We have amazing people of color on our staff, but they were all sort of on the outskirts of the” prime-time schedule, Richards said. “They were on Sunday nights and on the weekends and that’s not the way we should be programmed, and we know that. And it took something to wake us up to that fact as well: ‘You know what, this is the time to do that.’ We have the DJs, our community supports us and we need to step up and we need to get better and get more diverse voices on the air right away. And that’s what we did.”

Might just be good marketing, align with BLM and diversty, and the only competition is KUBE hip hop radio, kind of a light format shift. We'll see how much all the LARPing hipsters out every night protestng like the changes when they can't listen to skinny-jeans light-punk-rock any more during there afternoon barista shift. good career move for Mizell Jr though.

I'm not familiar with that station, but I've listened to Kiro for about 10 years. Most of their morning programming was politically diverse as the mics were split pretty evenly between left and right leaning people. I guess it's been about 6 months or so, but one of the morning shows (Tom and Curly) got pushed to mid-day for the Gee and Ursula show.

Gee and Ursula

The Gee and Ursula Show airs weekdays 9am-12pm.

mynorthwest.com

They don't fit the programming very well. They're both semi left leaning fence sitters that water down every single political news story with the kind of radio tropes that O&A made a career out of shitting on. I never considered it some kind of power move for social groups (Tom and Curly are very white), but it always seemed weird to me that they dropped a bunch of milquetoast schlock into daytime talk when almost all their other programming tries maintaining some level of controversy. The ad that the station is currently running for their show ends with Gee saying, "I just don't understand why we have to take sides on these issues."

 

[Overly Serious]

Nah, the worst thing about Hitler was the fact that Blacks, Jews, and LGBTQWHATEVA were among the people he hated. His feelings on Slavs and his big plans for them if he won is A-OK.

The Nazis spoiled fascism for everyone.