Chris and his finances: An in-depth review of his debt

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I got this vintage set recently:
3522

Now that's one set Chris should have.

I think I used to have that one.

It's nowhere near as fancy, but you can new Lego :tugboat: for $15 that can also be a plane or a helicopter:

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/251550899197?nav=SEARCH
 
I got this vintage set recently:
3522

Now that's one set Chris should have.
Wow, I had no idea they made sets actually designed to float. I spent weeks of my youth modding the boat pieces from this set in attempt to make it float. It never did *sigh*
 
If you declare bankruptcy or default, that significantly harms your credit for greater than the future 9 years. That means you can't get new credit cards.


http://cwckiforums.com/threads/random-what-if-thread.662/

When did this change? I know far too many people that boasted about their bankruptcy and swore they would never get into that mess with credit cards again. Sad thing was, it seemed the credit card companies stalked them shortly after their bankruptcy and many of them accepted new cards, and promptly maxed them out. Two years later, they're sitting there with four cards and about $5000 in new debt, with the option of another bankruptcy off the table for the moment.
Credit card companies don't care about a bankruptcy, they just charge higher interest and know you won't be going bankrupt on them again for a certain amount of time. I'm not saying Chris would definitely be able to get new cards, but most people have jobs that can be garnished and that is what card companies would look forward to. While I realize Chris "isn't most people," at the same time, don't count on the card issuers to know what they are getting into with Chris.
That's where Chris could maximize his buying power, pay under a grand for the bankruptcy, get as many new cards as he could and then promptly ignore them after maxing them all out.
 
That's where Chris could maximize his buying power, pay under a grand for the bankruptcy, get as many new cards as he could and then promptly ignore them after maxing them all out.

That would involve more than a minimum amount of effort. It's definitely more work than pulling weeds.

So, you know....
 
Yeah, he's too stupid to do beneficial things for himself. Then again, all he'd really have to do was call Rocky tell her to make it happen.
 
My parents would sometimes take me to the toy store when I was a kid. We lived in a small town without a mall, so going to the city was a once-in-a-while treat. When we did make it to the city, Mom and Dad would take me to the Kay-B-Toys in the mall and usually let me choose a small toy. These discussions, as I got a little older, tended to go like this:

"Can I get this toy?"
"No, Pickle Monsta. It's twenty dollars. You can get something five dollars or less."
"I really want this one. Can't you pay by check?"
"No."
"What about credit card?"
"NO. Pick a toy that's five dollars or less or we're leaving."

You see, I didn't really understand what the difference was between cash, check, and credit card, beyond that they were all different and all valid payment methods. In my mind, cash was "real money," since that's what I got my allowance in and what the tooth fairy left under my pillow; check was something that meant money but wasn't really; and credit card was free money, gifted by some benevolent entity.

I'm not too sure that Chris has progressed beyond this mindset. One complaint about digital money I've heard from people is that it's "simply numbers passing through banks . . . it's not real." Well, from that point of view, there's a certain truth to it, except for the fact that 99.9% of society assigns monetary value to those numbers. Chris just sees numbers in his bank account as spending potential instead of a measure of a person's fiscal value--hell, he even gave his SSDI a cute nickname. A tugboat. That, in itself, should paint a very complete picture of Chris's ideas of money and credit.

Chris knows that a credit card allows him to get toys. He also knows that he has to give money back to the bank in order for those credit cards to continue to work. He probably sees his monthly minimum payment as a bill set in stone, and I doubt he'd be too interested in paying down his balance even if he knew that he could make further payments.

This is further complicated by self-delusional thinking regarding his purchasing practices. Now, everybody engages in justification for their purchases. Every one of us who's posted on this message board has engaged in this behavior--"you know, if I get an 'A' in physics this semester, I'll buy myself that game that I wanted on Steam." "I can't really afford this pair of shoes right now, but they'd look really good with what I intend to wear to my job interview." "I just graduated high school, I deserve a tablet and a speaker system." This line of thinking is fairly harmless when used in moderation. But Chris's line of thinking seems to be, "I still have credit left on this card, and I've gotten trolled and I'm lonely, let's clean out the Lego aisle."

Of course, we need to consider from where Chris learned this mindset. Keep in mind, Barb would take Chris to the toy aisle and buy him Transformers for speaking their names out loud . . . so Chris's behavior of seeking maximum reward for minimum effort with somebody else's money is really nothing new.
 
I think when it comes to Chris and purchases, it is as simple as it can be. Wanting something he does not have is an itch. Getting that thing he does not have scratches the itch. Credit offered him a number of years where he could focus solely on the scratching part, which is all he really cares about.

Now the credit is essentially gone. He only gets an amount equal to his minimum payment minus his financing charges. Its not enough to scratch the itches and his begging on facebook and ebay sales are him flailing around because he's really itchy.
 
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we went to an open mic comedy night a few months back because we hate ourselves and one of the performers made a comment about using credit in college, and every time he'd do so drunk and impulsive he'd think "THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR FUTURE ME!"

i think OPL thinks of it that way except instead its "THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR FUTURE FUCK MOMMY"
 
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Of course, we need to consider from where Chris learned this mindset. Keep in mind, Barb would take Chris to the toy aisle and buy him Transformers for speaking their names out loud . . . so Chris's behavior of seeking maximum reward for minimum effort with somebody else's money is really nothing new.

All good points, particularly that last one - "...seeking maximum reward for minimum effort with somebody else's money..." describes young Christopher's experience with the Sonic Watch 'n Win Sweepstakes to a 'T'. All through this ebay thing I keep getting the feeling that Our Pet Manbaby has been trying to recreate the feeling of that first big win with the Lego spending sprees that Marvin and others have been reporting.

It kind of makes sense in a Chris'tard sort of way. Though I doubt Chris himself has ever thought about it (self reflection being as alien to Chris as the notion of regret is to the average cat) his Sonic Sweepstakes win, and resulting obsession with Sonic da Hedgehog, lead to his greatest creation and way-past-cool son, Sonichu. (As well as a compulsive interest in winning contests, but that's another thread.) It wouldn't surprise me a bit if, every time Chris manages to get his greasy digits on a new credit card and goes on a Lego buying binge, he feels a faint echo of that first thrilling time he got to waddle up and down the toy store aisles, grabbing whatever his autistic little heart desired.
 
Wow, I had no idea they made sets actually designed to float. I spent weeks of my youth modding the boat pieces from this set in attempt to make it float. It never did *sigh*

Ahh, that's cause you don't see how it's made... And what's underneath!

I remember this set (well, actually I just remember the boat. Didn't know how the rest looked so thank you! Might try to reconstruct it with Fapcup jr. One of these days...

But you see, the actual hull? It's really three pieces, all of which are hollow and airtight.

And it also came with a bulbous keel of sorts, that you mounted underneath. It was plastic on the outside, black and rounded bulbous nose in the front and back. I'm also pretty sure it had lead on the inside cause it weighed almost as much as the rest of the boat, despite only being 1/10th of its size.

Without it, the boat would just sorta circle around in the water, before keeling over. But with the keel mounted, it was actually really stable and handled well. (As well as a LEGO boat can I guess.)
 
Ok, real talk, what's going to happen to Chris when the time comes and he can't repay his debts? I say 'when' because he's not going to be able repay any of that debt. The :tugboat: and Blob's pension aren't going to be able to cover it. I can scarcely imagine that the rental house and the garbage crammed in there is going to be enough when it gets repossessed to cover the massive amount of debt Chris has accumulated. To be honest, he's probably going to continue accumulating it for the foreseeable future, making the situation worse.

Fellow Christorians, I think we need to raise money so that we can save Chris and :snorlax: from bankruptcy.
 
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Chris's line of thinking seems to be, "I still have credit left on this card, and I've gotten trolled and I'm lonely, let's clean out the Lego aisle."
That's it exactly. He feels entitled to spend as recklessly as he likes because he's not happy about his life. In his rationalization, it should be "someone else's" problem, that's all that matters to him.
 
This last year I've pulled myself out of a lot of debt. Not only has it lifted a huge burden from me, but new opportunities come up like me qualifying for cards that actually give points back with no annual fees. I had applied to a card just for that reason because I wanted to accumulate points on a card specifically for getting gas, was expecting like a $1K limit but they gave me and I feel gross saying this $7K instead. Like fuck I'll ever hit that ceiling but now I have the the peace of mind in case a disaster/emergency happens and my savings are depleted I can help my family in some way.
 
When did this change? I know far too many people that boasted about their bankruptcy and swore they would never get into that mess with credit cards again. Sad thing was, it seemed the credit card companies stalked them shortly after their bankruptcy and many of them accepted new cards, and promptly maxed them out. Two years later, they're sitting there with four cards and about $5000 in new debt, with the option of another bankruptcy off the table for the moment.
Credit card companies don't care about a bankruptcy, they just charge higher interest and know you won't be going bankrupt on them again for a certain amount of time. I'm not saying Chris would definitely be able to get new cards, but most people have jobs that can be garnished and that is what card companies would look forward to. While I realize Chris "isn't most people," at the same time, don't count on the card issuers to know what they are getting into with Chris.
That's where Chris could maximize his buying power, pay under a grand for the bankruptcy, get as many new cards as he could and then promptly ignore them after maxing them all out.
I've never heard about that. It doesn't make sense to offer credit to someone who just declared that they can't pay their creditors.
 
I've never heard about that. It doesn't make sense to offer credit to someone who just declared that they can't pay their creditors.
I've never heard of it myself but it would make sense if they did. Lenders love revolving debt customers (people who just pay the minimum) because they end up getting so much interest accrued they don't pay their debt and are just giving their lender X amount a month. Times that by a few hundred thousand people doing this.
 
I've never heard of it myself but it would make sense if they did. Lenders love revolving debt customers (people who just pay the minimum) because they end up getting so much interest accrued they don't pay their debt and are just giving their lender X amount a month. Times that by a few hundred thousand people doing this.
Sure, I understand that, but those people are paying their minimums while maintaining (in fact, growing) their debt. Bankruptcy clears your debt.
 
Sure, I understand that, but those people are paying their minimums while maintaining (in fact, growing) their debt. Bankruptcy clears your debt.

You can only file chapter 7 every 8 years. There is certainly money to be made in extending credit to people who have just been discharged on a bankruptcy.
 
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If you declare bankruptcy or default, that significantly harms your credit for greater than the future 9 years. That means you can't get new credit cards.
It's officially either seven (Chapter 13) or ten (Chapter 7) years, but the Internet has a long memory so it depends on who you defaulted on and how egregiously. Chapter 13 is more of a debt consolidation where you have to show sufficient income to fund a repayment plan. Payments are to a U.S. trustee on a court-approved schedule; usually monthly for 3 years but if you can do it quicker that's fine with them. For instance, say you get behind on your house payments and the bank is going to foreclose. Declaring Chapter 13 instantly halts the foreclosure process, and as long as you stay current on the payments to the trustee and the lender, i.e. the bank, you keep the house. (The bank would much rather have the money than the house, after all.) If your credit cards / car payment / whatever else aren't in trouble, they'll be pretty much unaffected, though I wouldn't put it past some credit card companies to jack up your rate, because they can. The bankruptcy does show on your credit report for the seven years, but if discharged promptly and in full it's likely no one will care.

A friend of mine started a coffee house in Lowell, MA a few years back. The city was all gung-ho to get more small businesses happening and make downtown a more tourist-friendly and walkable place, and was giving people money left and right. Unfortunately, their clever plan put three coffee houses on the same block, and my friend had to declare Chapter 13. He sold his house to pay the business debt, got what he could out of the business, and the bankruptcy was discharged in two or three months. He didn't lose his cars nor a single credit card. A year later he relocated to Virginia and bought another house, no problem.

Chapter 7 is a liquidation where you pretty much lose everything but all your debt is basically wiped out. Some assets are exempt (you can probably keep your car if it's paid off, and they won't steal your shoes or anything like that) but some debts are also exempt, like student loans, recent unpaid taxes, and child support. You don't make it out with any credit cards or much of anything in the bank. It's common for big corporations (*cough* Trump *cough*) to spin off a smaller corporate entity to handle some high-risk venture; if it flops, the spin-off corp just declares Chapter 7 and evaporates. The parent isn't affected.

ETA: Even after a Chapter 7, you can always get a savings-secured credit card (assuming you have a bank account) - if you keep it for a year and stay up on the payments, the bank will almost always convert it to a regular ol' unsecured card.
 
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