Chris-Chan: A Comprehensive History

[CwChalk]

I don't think Barb was ever active in making Chris a productive member of society. Apart from buying him toys before his speech therapy, she mostly wanted to keep him sheltered and close by where she can yell at him to do stuff for her. I believe she once gotten to a point where she seemed to want him in the same room as her all day and sleep in the same room. Chris really didn't like this, and started breaking away more often. Whatever little productivity was encouraged within Chris, seemed to die with Bob.

Chris getting that cat put down is a nice reminder after so long (between episodes) of why he is extremely unlikable. It is awful that Chris likely acted like a retard, scared the cat causing it to attack him in self-defence, thus resulting in the cat getting put down

Yeah, it's a safe bet that whole incident didn't happen the way the Chandlers say it happened. Even feral cats run away from humans, can't imagine a tame house cat would attack someone unless it was being provoked into feeling like it has no choice but to defend itself. Can't blame the neighbours if they did egg the house afterwards(though I doubt it was them, they're pretty infamous locally afterall), I'd be pretty pissed as well.

 

[Fapcop]

I think that Bob and even Barb had hopes for him while he was in school. They sacrificed for him to see that he had a chance for regular schooling and pushed him to do things (perhaps a little too much). But at some point they realized there was no hope and kind of gave up. I think that point was when they realized that the trolling was a big problem and it wasn't going to stop. Bob kept fighting for a little bit with his lumberjack ways, but I think he got tired and didn't have any way of stopping the barreling locomotive of autism that his son was producing. He pulled back and just let Chris do what he was going to do as long as he stayed in his room. After Bob died, Barb figured if you can't beat em, join em, and cynically encouraged Chris to cash in on his notoriety. Bob and Barb in the Manchester High days seem to have been actually working toward something for Chris. But that fell apart like a house of cards, and they didn't have a plan B so they just gave up.

You could blame them for not taking away Chris’s internet connection, though I tend to give them a pass on that. They didn’t seem to understand how much of the trolling was a result of Chris being online.

(And for some weird reason thought it was a conspiracy centered on the GamePlace?!?)

Nah, what I do blame them for (especially Bob since he seemed to be the only even semi-decent parent) was this:

When Chris was 23-25, it should have been glaringly obvious that whatever hopes they had for Chris being a functional adult we’re dead and gone.

It’s at this point they should have looked into a grouphome for him, getting him a tard wrangler, or maybe forced him to move out into a little place of his own.

(Obviously Im not sure whether the first two were possibilities given that Chris was legally an adult. But the last one certainly was.)

Wonder what Bob thought would happen once he was gone?

 

[Strange Wilderness]

You could blame them for not taking away Chris’s internet connection, though I tend to give them a pass on that. They didn’t seem to understand how much of the trolling was a result of Chris being online.

(And for some weird reason thought it was a conspiracy centered on the GamePlace?!?)

Nah, what I do blame them for (especially Bob since he seemed to be the only even semi-decent parent) was this:

When Chris was 23-25, it should have been glaringly obvious that whatever hopes they had for Chris being a functional adult we’re dead and gone.

It’s at this point they should have looked into a grouphome for him, getting him a tard wrangler, or maybe forced him to move out into a little place of his own.

(Obviously Im not sure whether the first two were possibilities given that Chris was legally an adult. But the last one certainly was.)

Wonder what Bob thought would happen once he was gone?

I don't think Bob or Barb had any idea there were things like group homes or tard wranglers, they probably still thought the way to deal with the mentally challenged was the same as it was back in their day; either beat the kid until he was normal or lock him up in the loony bin. As for why they didn't get Chris his own place who knows? Maybe they thought he was hopeless and needed their supervision, maybe they wanted to collect part of his Tugboat, or maybe at that point they just didn't care.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Wonder what Bob thought would happen once he was gone?

I don't think he thought that far ahead, considering Chris was still living with them and didn't amount to much other than making comics and selling merch (which Chris did in haste after Bob died). According to Bob's letters to Chris when he wrote when Chris was a child, he had hoped Chris would make sonichu into a mascot for autism, in which Chris disrespectfully mocked at. Other than that, in one of Chris's FB posts, he stated that his dad left him with financial planning binders and notes, as he opined that he was in charge of the finances now. And look what happened. I think that time a the mall when Chris was on the date with Emily says all about their relationship. Bob could have retired (he was already retired) peacefully knowing Chris had made something of himself and was able to live his life outside 14 BLC...

That was the life of Robert F. Chandler, Jr.

 

[Heckler1]

I think part of the problem stemmed from when Chris was first formally diagnosed and was (imo) lowballed for his chances at being normal. Because the clinician was pessimistic, it probably made Bob and Barbara feel like any progress they made with Chris was sticking it to da origional hater. So all the success they had with him as a child inoculated them to an extent criticisms of "that boy ain't right". More than that, it (maybe) made them think they knew better than experts, which Chris picked up on and it can be seen throughout his life, that Chris also has complete disregard for anyone telling him what is best for him.

I have worked with potatoes who are prone to bouts of delusion, like one guy would talk about a nonexistant farm he owned, and the procedure is to gently get them to acknowledge that what they are talking about is not real, and therefore reinforcing their ability to separate real from fantasy. This is a skill never applied to Chris, and between his parents who couldn't relate to him and the mass of internet people engaging with him through his fantasy world set him on the pathway for his current homeless speedrun.

 

[Fapcop]

I think part of the problem stemmed from when Chris was first formally diagnosed and was (imo) lowballed for his chances at being normal. Because the clinician was pessimistic, it probably made Bob and Barbara feel like any progress they made with Chris was sticking it to da origional hater. So all the success they had with him as a child inoculated them to an extent criticisms of "that boy ain't right". More than that, it (maybe) made them think they knew better than experts, which Chris picked up on and it can be seen throughout his life, that Chris also has complete disregard for anyone telling him what is best for him.

I have worked with potatoes who are prone to bouts of delusion, like one guy would talk about a nonexistant farm he owned, and the procedure is to gently get them to acknowledge that what they are talking about is not real, and therefore reinforcing their ability to separate real from fantasy. This is a skill never applied to Chris, and between his parents who couldn't relate to him and the mass of internet people engaging with him through his fantasy world set him on the pathway for his current homeless speedrun.

Good points.

So in your opinion, can Chris be turned into a less dysfunctional version of himself or is it too late?

When do you reckon Chris should have been intervened with? What is the latest time in where something could have been done to turn Chris into a somewhat functional human being?


Personally I think most of his self destructive characteristics were in place by the time he graduated high school, but given some heavy intervention in his early twenties, he might have turned out... Better.

If you look at some of Chris’s earliest videos, he talks better and acts less like a tard. I like to think that something could have come out of him, if he had been removed from home and given his own place and perhaps a simple job.

I don't think he thought that far ahead, considering Chris was still living with them and didn't amount to much other than making comics and selling merch (which Chris did in haste after Bob died). According to Bob's letters to Chris when he wrote when Chris was a child, he had hoped Chris would make sonichu into a mascot for autism, in which Chris disrespectfully mocked at. Other than that, in one of Chris's FB posts, he stated that his dad left him with financial planning binders and notes, as he opined that he was in charge of the finances now. And look what happened. I think that time a the mall when Chris was on the date with Emily says all about their relationship. Bob could have retired (he was already retired) peacefully knowing Chris had made something of himself and was able to live his life outside 14 BLC...

That was the life of Robert F. Chandler, Jr.

Lololol! It really says something that he left the financial planning to Chris!

 

[troon patrol]

Yeah... the "cat situation" is pretty awful, if a cat had to get euthanized because the Chandlers couldn't' take the personal responsibility of interacting with a strangers cat. IIRC Chandlers made a lot of local enemies over the years between car collisions, running over Snyder, trying to steal the neighbor's dog. Chris was/is dumb as shit regarding all the social fuck-ups he made. The biggest problem is the "Borb solution" was to blame everyone else and call them fags while you're making the accusations.

Chris fucks up in school? Call the principal a faggot.
Chris fucks up at the game place? Call the patrons conspiring faggots.
Chris molests a cat? Better kill that cat.

Barb was objectivly a bad person and from all accounts a hoe. The worst thing she and Bob ever did was convince Chris he could do no wrong. People talk shit about Cole but at least he got the fuck away from 14BC.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

she once gotten to a point where she seemed to want him in the same room as her all day and sleep in the same room. Chris really didn't like this

I'd figure he would like it since he's made comments on having a romanticized thoughts with Barb, acting all couple-like during their court hearing, commenting in one video that she used to do a certian action flirtingly ("turn me loose, you silly goose"). He was more attached to her than he was with Bob (see X-mas video)

 

[Heckler1]

Good points.

So in your opinion, can Chris be turned into a less dysfunctional version of himself or is it too late?

When do you reckon Chris should have been intervened with? What is the latest time in where something could have been done to turn Chris into a somewhat functional human being?


Personally I think most of his self destructive characteristics were in place by the time he graduated high school, but given some heavy intervention in his early twenties, he might have turned out... Better.

If you look at some of Chris’s earliest videos, he talks better and acts less like a tard. I like to think that something could have come out of him, if he had been removed from home and given his own place and perhaps a simple job.

Maybe? A lot of it would hinge on Chris seeing a clinician again and getting retested to determine his functioning status, from which you could then create a BSP (Behavior Support Plan) that then whomever was in charge of him would be tasked with putting into action. I'd say he should absolutely be in a group home, but I'm not sure at how good of a fit he would be.

Chris is selfish and unhygienic, which are traits that higher functioning guys find really hard to put up with. Combined with his unknown medication status and childlike mentality would make it hard to find a house with 1-2 other people he could live with who wouldn't try and get rid of him. Chris also hates "slow in the minds" which would makes it hard to find a structured environment where he will receive the structure and therapy he needs. I think it could be done, but you would need some good staff to make sure he didn't have unfiltered access to the internet, and be willing to deal with his tantruming behavior when he didn't get his way.

I think you are pretty accurate in saying the window of opportunity was right once he graduated high school. Because of how human lives develop in society, that would be ideal for Getting Chris to transition from pure child fantasy, to some kind of cobbled together adult. Get re-examined see if he needs any kind of meds to level him out, and get him moved out with some sort of structure and order to prevent him from falling further and further into the mire of infantilism. The most important thing would be to get him out of that house and away from Barb.

 

[CwChalk]

I'd figure he would like it since he's made comments on having a romanticized thoughts with Barb, acting all couple-like during their court hearing, commenting in one video that she used to do a certian action flirtingly ("turn me loose, you silly goose"). He was more attached to her than he was with Bob (see X-mas video)

Funny thing is, is that he would often hide out at the mall whenever he knew she was gonna ask him to do something. Ironically putting more effort and time into avoiding work than what ever little chore she had in mind.

Get re-examined see if he needs any kind of meds to level him out, and get him moved out with some sort of structure and order to prevent him from falling further and further into the mire of infantilism.

Yeah, by the time the internet got a hold of him it seems like he'd already slipped down the slope. His confrontation with the dean was just one instance beforehand where he interacts with imaginary friends, there is undoubtedly more we don't know about. I wonder if it's possible to coax him back to reality?

 

[Uncle Meat]

Nah, what I do blame them for (especially Bob since he seemed to be the only even semi-decent parent) was this: When Chris was 23-25, it should have been glaringly obvious that whatever hopes they had for Chris being a functional adult we’re dead and gone.

That's exactly when they gave up because I think Bob realized that the money would be lucky to hold out until he and Barb were dead. The only option under their financial circumstances was for Chris to become self-sufficient. There was no plan B. Sure, a group home would have been better for Chris, but that would have just cost more money they didn't have.

 

[Fapcop]

That's exactly when they gave up because I think Bob realized that the money would be lucky to hold out until he and Barb were dead. The only option under their financial circumstances was for Chris to become self-sufficient. There was no plan B. Sure, a group home would have been better for Chris, but that would have just cost more money they didn't have.

I sometimes think that the best way to deal with Chris, would have been tough love when he was around 18-20.

Find him a one or two bedroom apartment an hour away and a part time job at McDonalds, and leave him to his own devices.

(Sure: Make some checklists: This is when you do laundry and how you do it. Here are some simple recipes that you can cook yourself.)

Chris would have a strict budget where he could survive if he sticks to the tugboat, but fast food more than one time a week and vidya would mean that he has to keep that part time job.

And that is it. Make it clear that he can expect no help whatsoever from Barb and Bob, and no visits the first six months. (to prevent Chris from weaseling his way back home.)

One weekly phonecall at a prearranged time for 10-15 minutes the first six months. Maybe have a friend or volunteer to come by once a week, but nobody that Chris can beg from.

And that is it. By the end of the six months or first year, Chris might be resentful over his parents “cold hearted shoulder”, but I’d bet that he would have a routine that would work for him.

He might even have lost his part time job, but after a month of living on beans and rice, (automatic bill payment so Chris can’t squander his tugboat) and going hungry a few nights, Chris would do whatever it takes to keep his next job.

 

[Based Papa John]

I think that Bob and even Barb had hopes for him while he was in school. They sacrificed for him to see that he had a chance for regular schooling and pushed him to do things (perhaps a little too much). But at some point they realized there was no hope and kind of gave up. I think that point was when they realized that the trolling was a big problem and it wasn't going to stop. Bob kept fighting for a little bit with his lumberjack ways, but I think he got tired and didn't have any way of stopping the barreling locomotive of autism that his son was producing. He pulled back and just let Chris do what he was going to do as long as he stayed in his room. After Bob died, Barb figured if you can't beat em, join em, and cynically encouraged Chris to cash in on his notoriety. Bob and Barb in the Manchester High days seem to have been actually working toward something for Chris. But that fell apart like a house of cards, and they didn't have a plan B so they just gave up.

I think Bob's desire for Chris to have as much of a "normal" education came from a good place. As I've mentioned before, there is no reason why Bob would ever consider putting his son in a mental institution, if that was truly what was suggested by teachers. Given how hellish those places were, especially in Bob's day, I don't blame him for trying to help his son live a normal life, even to the point of bribing kids to befriend him. On top of that, a CAD degree likely wasn't a bad option for someone like Chris, at least for 2000's Chris. It would at least be a job where he could contract himself or work for company where he could sit in a backroom 8 hours a day without interacting with any customers. For all of his faults, I find it hard to attribute malice to Bob when it came to his son. It's really sad how things turned out.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I sometimes think that the best way to deal with Chris, would have been tough love when he was around 18-20.

Find him a one or two bedroom apartment an hour away and a part time job at McDonalds, and leave him to his own devices.

(Sure: Make some checklists: This is when you do laundry and how you do it. Here are some simple recipes that you can cook yourself.)

Chris would have a strict budget where he could survive if he sticks to the tugboat, but fast food more than one time a week and vidya would mean that he has to keep that part time job.

And that is it. Make it clear that he can expect no help whatsoever from Barb and Bob, and no visits the first six months. (to prevent Chris from weaseling his way back home.)

One weekly phonecall at a prearranged time for 10-15 minutes the first six months. Maybe have a friend or volunteer to come by once a week, but nobody that Chris can beg from.

And that is it. By the end of the six months or first year, Chris might be resentful over his parents “cold hearted shoulder”, but I’d bet that he would have a routine that would work for him.

He might even have lost his part time job, but after a month of living on beans and rice, (automatic bill payment so Chris can’t squander his tugboat) and going hungry a few nights, Chris would do whatever it takes to keep his next job.

Damn, what could have been. But due to his ego, Chris won't conform. I wonder how much responsibilities they (Bob) placed on Chris when he was younger? I know Chris "pulled weeds" but that's about it. There would be cleaning around the house, but no (you know why). Other than Wendy's, I guess Chris could do a paper route since he doesn't do well in social interactions, but he'd easily slink away and go to the Game Place. Having a good discipline is the backbone to living on your own. Chris just never learned.

I agree with you that he should have had tough love between the ages of 18-20, cause that was the start of the Love Quest. If Bob were more demanding, he would have told Chris to knock that off and force Chris to put more into focusing on his future (saving and preparing to buy a house). The story of Chris Chan is depressing and frustrating. I wonder how Geno will edit around the quiet times.

 

[Heckler1]

I sometimes think that the best way to deal with Chris, would have been tough love when he was around 18-20.

Find him a one or two bedroom apartment an hour away and a part time job at McDonalds, and leave him to his own devices.

(Sure: Make some checklists: This is when you do laundry and how you do it. Here are some simple recipes that you can cook yourself.)

Chris would have a strict budget where he could survive if he sticks to the tugboat, but fast food more than one time a week and vidya would mean that he has to keep that part time job.

And that is it. Make it clear that he can expect no help whatsoever from Barb and Bob, and no visits the first six months. (to prevent Chris from weaseling his way back home.)

One weekly phonecall at a prearranged time for 10-15 minutes the first six months. Maybe have a friend or volunteer to come by once a week, but nobody that Chris can beg from.

And that is it. By the end of the six months or first year, Chris might be resentful over his parents “cold hearted shoulder”, but I’d bet that he would have a routine that would work for him.

He might even have lost his part time job, but after a month of living on beans and rice, (automatic bill payment so Chris can’t squander his tugboat) and going hungry a few nights, Chris would do whatever it takes to keep his next job.

These are not inherently bad ideas, and there are people who get wrangler visits throughout the day to ensure they haven't burnt the apartment down or started doing meth. I just don't think Chris has/had the functioning or skills to be able to live totally independently, ever. His impulse control would make him impossible to trust with a budget, and chances are he'd just end up under a bridge after he spent all his money on stickers or something.

 

[Fapcop]

Damn, what could have been. But due to his ego, Chris won't conform. I wonder how much responsibilities they (Bob) placed on Chris when he was younger? I know Chris "pulled weeds" but that's about it. There would be cleaning around the house, but no (you know why). Other than Wendy's, I guess Chris could do a paper route since he doesn't do well in social interactions, but he'd easily slink away and go to the Game Place. Having a good discipline is the backbone to living on your own. Chris just never learned.

I agree with you that he should have had tough love between the ages of 18-20, cause that was the start of the Love Quest. If Bob were more demanding, he would have told Chris to knock that off and force Chris to put more into focusing on his future (saving and preparing to buy a house). The story of Chris Chan is depressing and frustrating. I wonder how Geno will edit around the quiet times.

Chris isn’t smart, but Chris is wily.

I think he quickly figured out that the best response to Bob asking him to do chores was attritional warfare. Dragging it out and doing it as slowly and poorly as possible while moaning and complaining about it.

Bob was in his 70ies, so I guess he just didn’t have the energy to constantly be after Chris and ensure that he did his chores.

Maybe if he had started while Chris was younger and instilled a work ethic it would have stuck. Though who knows. Chris’s laziness is the only thing impressive about him.

These are not inherently bad ideas, and there are people who get wrangler visits throughout the day to ensure they haven't burnt the apartment down or started doing meth. I just don't think Chris has/had the functioning or skills to be able to live totally independently, ever. His impulse control would make him impossible to trust with a budget, and chances are he'd just end up under a bridge after he spent all his money on stickers or something.

Well, there are always automatic transfers and bill payments that would prevent Chris from going full tard with his money.

Supposedly, according to @Marvin and others, Chris is bad but not terrible with budgets.

He’s capable of making a simple budget and sticking to it. The problem is that Barb is mooching off him and trying to squeeze money out of him.

And of course that Chris has gotten used to that idiots giving him money online. It’s a lot easier to spend money frivolously when you can say: “Mhmm I’ll eh.. I’ll sell an artwork online!” And then when he doesn’t, he’s in the hole.

 

[Cardboard Box Mountain]

Chris isn’t smart, but Chris is wily.

I think he quickly figured out that the best response to Bob asking him to do chores was attritional warfare. Dragging it out and doing it as slowly and poorly as possible while moaning and complaining about it.

Bob was in his 70ies, so I guess he just didn’t have the energy to constantly be after Chris and ensure that he did his chores.

Maybe if he had started while Chris was younger and instilled a work ethic it would have stuck. Though who knows. Chris’s laziness is the only thing impressive about him.




Well, there are always automatic transfers and bill payments that would prevent Chris from going full tard with his money.

Supposedly, according to @Marvin and others, Chris is bad but not terrible with budgets.

He’s capable of making a simple budget and sticking to it. The problem is that Barb is mooching off him and trying to squeeze money out of him.

And of course that Chris has gotten used to that idiots giving him money online. It’s a lot easier to spend money frivolously when you can say: “Mhmm I’ll eh.. I’ll sell an artwork online!” And then when he doesn’t, he’s in the hole.

That's a common way for lazy people to try to get out of work, do a shit job and do it late and whine all day. The only way to short circuit that is to be in a position of power that you can take things away from them in response to their slacking. Bob could have actually "cut down" the internet, taken away video game consoles, etc only to return them when Chris completed work in a satisfactory manner... but that didn't happen.

 

[Heckler1]

And of course that Chris has gotten used to that idiots giving him money online. It’s a lot easier to spend money frivolously when you can say: “Mhmm I’ll eh.. I’ll sell an artwork online!” And then when he doesn’t, he’s in the hole.

I hadn't thought about it until you wrote it, but people giving him money has/is/would be a huge part of the problem. Getting money for essentially doing daycare crafts has enabled Chris to continue to avoid having to develop important independent skills. I think that if you remove that enabling he could have become the respectable town weirdo. Weird, but holds down a job at some store or something and doesn't bother anyone.

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

According to Bob's letters to Chris when he wrote when Chris was a child, he had hoped Chris would make sonichu into a mascot for autism

This actually came true, in a monkey's paw sort of way.

 

[Fapcop]

This actually came true, in a monkey's paw sort of way.

Lol, true!

It’s also glaringly obvious that Bob never read the comics.

Would have loved to see a video of Bob reading Sonichu.

”Hopefully Sonichu can be a mascot of autism and teach others what it’s like to have this challenge! Let’s see what delightful adventures he’ll go on.... Hmm... Wha-why is she... Defy GRAVITY?! By-OHDEARLORD! Maybe if I skip ahead... Ah, there we go... What?! A ten button-WHAT?!”