LGBT Chris filed for a legal name change (update: the judgement is in)

[Radical Goodspeed]

I hope he thinks that this means everyone has to accept that all the dumb she he did as Christian doesn't count because he's legally Christine, and starts trying to get around bans.

Because, entertainment.

 

[timtommy]

I'm still calling him Christian.

Also wow what a great time to be involved in a saga.

I struggle with what name and pronoun to use. On the one hand, I don't want to be a dick and go around "misgendering" people. That is usually a dick move, and I generally think people should be able to transition if they want.

On the other hand, transitioning, if it is done in any meaningful way, is a pretty big deal. I basically believe that Chris is sincere about it, but I don't think he has thought it through, mostly because I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to properly think it through.

I knew a guy in high school. Incredibly socially awkward, but also a serious attention-seeker. He started identifying more and more as a girl. Most people tried to good about it and supported him. He got more and more into it, I believe in large part because of the mostly positive attention it got him. Ended up doing HRT at a fairly young age (15 or 16 I think). 10 years later he massively regretted the whole thing, and it fucked a lot of things up for him.

I worry about the same thing happening to Chris. Really well-meaning nice people will support him in his "transition", and I worry that will hurry him down a very serious path which he is not capable of understanding. So I still use "him".

 

[lurkf9217]

Maybe one time another girl could "steal" his girl and see if he would bitch at and threaten this new challenger (and for the first time in his life have to actually compare his femeninity to another woman).
Have Chris explain why he's better than another male? Done to dwath
Being asked to explain how he's better than another lesbian? Never done.

 

[AnOminous]

I worry about the same thing happening to Chris. Really well-meaning nice people will support him in his "transition", and I worry that will hurry him down a very serious path which he is not capable of understanding. So I still use "him".

It's not like he really has a future he's fucking up, as his whole life has just been one mistake after another.

 

[Strelok]

If the dude's happier prancing about while creeping on random women, having public hissy fits, recording bizzare sex tapes of himself fucking blow up dolls, getting tricked by fake girlfriends, and staying in all day and buying legos, as a "woman" than he is prancing about while creeping on random women, having public hissy fits, recording bizzare sex tapes of himself fucking blow up dolls, getting tricked by fake girlfriends, and staying in all day and buying legos as a man, I really don't see much of a difference to be honest.

Nothing to get worked up about.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I worry about the same thing happening to Chris. Really well-meaning nice people will support him in his "transition", and I worry that will hurry him down a very serious path which he is not capable of understanding. So I still use "him".

This is all Chris' idea. No one's been trolling into him being a girl.

There might have been some positive attention when he went to places like Impulse, but he hasn't been visiting there lately.

Maybe he met some folks, but I don't think anyone's pushing him into it.

Besides, this keeping him out of that corner office, six figure job at Sega or something?

 

[timtommy]

This is all Chris' idea. No one's been trolling into him being a girl.

There might have been some positive attention when he went to places like Impulse, but he hasn't been visiting there lately.

Maybe he met some folks, but I don't think anyone's pushing him into it.

Besides, this keeping him out of that corner office, six figure job at Sega or something?

I don't think anyone is trolling him into becoming a girl. I know it is his idea. It is just that with people who are struggling with gender shit, particularly people with hosts of other issues, a voice that can be missing is the supportive friend who encourages him to think carefully and get some serious therapy for each step.

And I know Chris doesn't have much of a future. The future he may be screwing himself out of is not the corner office, it is the broke 45 year old living off SSDI as a man.

 

[Amelia]

Chris could of had a future with Megan as her ATM and Duff. Chris might of got some china out of it if he had waited 10 years.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Maybe one time another girl could "steal" his girl and see if he would bitch at and threaten this new challenger (and for the first time in his life have to actually compare his femeninity to another woman).
Have Chris explain why he's better than another male? Done to dwath
Being asked to explain how he's better than another lesbian? Never done.

Wouldn't he just see it as a way to get a lesbian threesome?

 

[Subconcious Offense]

Wouldn't he just see it as a way to get a lesbian threesome?

Maybe let a female soul male-to-female trans "steal" his girl then. From Francine, we know he will attempt to demean the tranny-hood of someone who crossed him.

 

[Cydonia]

I don't think anyone is trolling him into becoming a girl. I know it is his idea.

If I recall correctly, some mental health professional told Chris to "get in touch with his feminine side". While most people would take it as broadening their horizons and being open to new experiences, Chris interpreted it as "I should become female". This type of black and white thinking where a person sees everything in binary is really common for many mental disorders.

 

[Lipitor]

I struggle with what name and pronoun to use. On the one hand, I don't want to be a dick and go around "misgendering" people. That is usually a dick move, and I generally think people should be able to transition if they want.

On the other hand, transitioning, if it is done in any meaningful way, is a pretty big deal. I basically believe that Chris is sincere about it, but I don't think he has thought it through, mostly because I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to properly think it through.

I knew a guy in high school. Incredibly socially awkward, but also a serious attention-seeker. He started identifying more and more as a girl. Most people tried to good about it and supported him. He got more and more into it, I believe in large part because of the mostly positive attention it got him. Ended up doing HRT at a fairly young age (15 or 16 I think). 10 years later he massively regretted the whole thing, and it fucked a lot of things up for him.

I worry about the same thing happening to Chris. Really well-meaning nice people will support him in his "transition", and I worry that will hurry him down a very serious path which he is not capable of understanding. So I still use "him".

Well I think the problem can be narrowed down to fake/real tranny. Can it? I don't think it can. The shrinks that evaluate this stuff seem to just care about A.) is this a joke B.) is someone forcing you to do this? All that matters is you say I would be happier being this gender. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think the transgender community wants to set standards, and I think the non-transgender community is waiting for that to happen so they know how to process this shit, but the reality is there isn't a homogeneous consensus on what being transgender means. Some people want to completely abandon their gender and live at the opposite, some people don't know where they stand, some people want the best of both worlds, some people are totally confused.

The problem with Chris is he wants to fulfill his male conquest of women with his dick and get a family in the process and have a great sex life with a dick and women. Then he wants to transition to female and have a fulfilling lesbian experience. The problem isn't that he can't choose, but that he just can't have either. So he's stuck in limbo.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

If I recall correctly, some mental health professional told Chris to "get in touch with his feminine side". While most people would take it as broadening their horizons and being open to new experiences, Chris interpreted it as "I should become female". This type of black and white thinking where a person sees everything in binary is really common for many mental disorders.

Suddenly I realize that I've been giving Chris too much intelligence in making decision.

 

[SOINCHU]

I struggle with what name and pronoun to use. On the one hand, I don't want to be a dick and go around "misgendering" people. That is usually a dick move, and I generally think people should be able to transition if they want.

On the other hand, transitioning, if it is done in any meaningful way, is a pretty big deal. I basically believe that Chris is sincere about it, but I don't think he has thought it through, mostly because I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to properly think it through.

I knew a guy in high school. Incredibly socially awkward, but also a serious attention-seeker. He started identifying more and more as a girl. Most people tried to good about it and supported him. He got more and more into it, I believe in large part because of the mostly positive attention it got him. Ended up doing HRT at a fairly young age (15 or 16 I think). 10 years later he massively regretted the whole thing, and it fucked a lot of things up for him.

I worry about the same thing happening to Chris. Really well-meaning nice people will support him in his "transition", and I worry that will hurry him down a very serious path which he is not capable of understanding. So I still use "him".

I'm not sure any of this really matters as he's done virtually nothing to transition other than grow his hair out. Other than that he likes the idea of being a woman but can't be bothered to even shave regularly. I mean he tries things (hypnosis, rubbing Estrogel on his man boobs) but ultimately he's never going to transition in any meaningful way.

I'm with you though, I would never want to be a dick to someone in transition and misgender them on purpose. However I'm not sure how to approach addressing Chris/Christine, since I'm not sure he's actually trying to transition or if he even understands what he needs to do to transition. I think he's pretty satisfied right now with a name change and wearing girly clothes.

 

[milkshark]

I'm not sure any of this really matters as he's done virtually nothing to transition other than grow his hair out. Other than that he likes the idea of being a woman but can't be bothered to even shave regularly. I mean he tries things (hypnosis, rubbing Estrogel on his man boobs) but ultimately he's never going to transition in any meaningful way.

I'm with you though, I would never want to be a dick to someone in transition and misgender them on purpose. However I'm not sure how to approach addressing Chris/Christine, since I'm not sure he's actually trying to transition or if he even understands what he needs to do to transition. I think he's pretty satisfied right now with a name change and wearing girly clothes.

Chris hasn't put any actual effort into his transition. His hair growing out didn't require him to do anything except refrain from haircuts. Changing his name cost him some money, but all he does is spend money. Chris wants something to do the work for him like hypnosis or a magic spell. He's still waiting for Santa Claus to make his wishes come true.

 

[timtommy]

Chris hasn't put any actual effort into his transition. His hair growing out didn't require him to do anything except refrain from haircuts. Changing his name cost him some money, but all he does is spend money. Chris wants something to do the work for him like hypnosis or a magic spell. He's still waiting for Santa Claus to make his wishes come true.

I think the risk, in terms of his future happiness, is that he becomes entrenched in his mind. To me, it is obvious that his best course of action is to get some serious therapy about his gender issues to figure out with professional help whether he is a bit of an effeminate dude with autism and mother issues, or if he is really gender dysphoric. And then act on that.

But as you said, he won't. So just like he is still, almost 15 years later, waiting for some miracle to bring him a sweetheart, he will spend decades waiting for a miracle to make him a woman. And meanwhile, becoming more and more convinced that is what he needs and deserves, and even more lonely, bitter and isolated because the miracle hasn't happened.

 

[Gaol]

The thing with Chris is, he has always felt comfortable with females, his high school gal pals, Megan, all the fake troll girlfriends. He has always been happy and relaxed around them, however with men (excluding Bob) he has always been on edge or in a fight with them. In Chris's mind being female makes sense, he will be happy, he will be relaxed, he will be able to get closer to girls. Of course the problem comes when he adds his own sexual fantasies to this and it changes from just a guy who wants to be liked to a guy who wants to be liked to have sex with them.

 

[Picklechu]

The thing with Chris is, he has always felt comfortable with females, his high school gal pals, Megan, all the fake troll girlfriends. He has always been happy and relaxed around them, however with men (excluding Bob) he has always been on edge or in a fight with them. In Chris's mind being female makes sense, he will be happy, he will be relaxed, he will be able to get closer to girls. Of course the problem comes when he adds his own sexual fantasies to this and it changes from just a guy who wants to be liked to a guy who wants to be liked to have sex with them.

I generally agree with this. He has gotten along with men other than Bob, but I think he sees (or saw) them more as the exception to men in general.

 

[timtommy]

The thing with Chris is, he has always felt comfortable with females, his high school gal pals, Megan, all the fake troll girlfriends. He has always been happy and relaxed around them, however with men (excluding Bob) he has always been on edge or in a fight with them. In Chris's mind being female makes sense, he will be happy, he will be relaxed, he will be able to get closer to girls. Of course the problem comes when he adds his own sexual fantasies to this and it changes from just a guy who wants to be liked to a guy who wants to be liked to have sex with them.

It all gets muddled with Chris. He meets a girl, and his desire to be comfortable and have a nice conversation with her gets all mixed up with a desire to have her be his sweetheart and also with a desire to have sex with her. It happens with all straight guys, I guess, but Chris has no idea how to handle that, which results in incredible creepiness, and prevents him from having "gal-pals".

He seems to recognize it is a problem, and he does look for ways to solve it, usually using a set of rules. He was obsessed with the third date "rule" for a while. And there was that bizarre thing he wrote to Jackie.

I also have been thinking about other things, to put into a perspective for myself, especially where Friendship stands and falls in the following ladder (bottom to top). Acquaintance, *Friendship, Relationship, Love, Sex. Perhaps your input into the quandry may help.

Friendship (2) leads to Relationship (3); 3 leads to Love (4), and 4 leads to Sex (5). Yet I have before heard of 5 destroying 2; Acquaintance (1) skipping 2 towards any of 3 to 5; 5 without 4; 4 without the foundation of either 3 or 2. Also, I feel 5 breaking 2 is rediculous, because 2 is the stronger foundation towards 5, with 3 and 4 in between. Most adults currently have 3 and up in mind without the sweet foundation of 2, which leaves them too cautious, scared, paranoid and so on in Social Situations.[\QUOTE]

If you go through it, you see the main problem with his mindset. It's not that any of his points are really fundamentally flawed, it's just that he is trying to make a mathematical theorem out of it. He isn't capable of reading a situation and seeing when it is a good idea to talk to a girl, to ask her out, or try to get physical, so he tries to find "rules" he can follow, and when he finds something like the third-date "rule" he turns it into an immutable law of nature.

 

[Trilby]

It all gets muddled with Chris. He meets a girl, and his desire to be comfortable and have a nice conversation with her gets all mixed up with a desire to have her be his sweetheart and also with a desire to have sex with her. It happens with all straight guys, I guess, but Chris has no idea how to handle that, which results in incredible creepiness, and prevents him from having "gal-pals".

He seems to recognize it is a problem, and he does look for ways to solve it, usually using a set of rules. He was obsessed with the third date "rule" for a while. And there was that bizarre thing he wrote to Jackie.

It's all concrete with him.