Chris's Mental Contradictions

[timtommy]

I wrote a post about this recently.

I don't think Chris keeps multiple realities in his head a lot more than other people. There are things he doesn't know for sure; like the truth about the sweethearts, the size of the fandase, and perhaps the intention of a few of the gal-pals. These things, in Chris mind may or may not be true.

One could easily argue that he should know the answers to these questions, but leaving that aside, having questions about our past is common to all of us. "Why did my ex leave me?" etc.

Our opinions about these questions fluctuate. Sometimes rationally, because of new information. Sometimes irrationally, because of mood. Chris is different because his opinions fluctuate a lot, and because he is not great at nuance so he expresses his opinions as if they were facts.

He also brings up contradictory statements to prove different issues. I don't think he fully believes that both statements are guaranteed to be true. His thought process is, "I am trying to say I am capable of meaningful relationships. If Ivy were real it would help prove this point. I think Ivy might have been real, so I will use this to argue my point." A few days later, he thinks "I am trying to argue my life has been miserable. If Ivy were a troll, it would help prove this point. I think Ivy might have been a troll, so I will use this to argue my point."

My guess would be is, if you could get Chris in a moment of calm, collected, candor about any of the things he flip-flops on, he would tell you he didn't know the true answer about whether Ivy was real, or any of the other issues.

 

[LordCustos3]

I just assumed it is a mix of stupid, autism and never wanting to be wrong.

That sounds like....everybody. That description describes everyone we've ever met.
The more I think about it, it makes it sound like Chris is fucked up the way every other person on Earth is fucked up.....he just takes it much, much, MUCH further than anyone else.

 

[Blue Max]

One of the best breakdowns I've seen describe the thinking process is OODA:

Observe
Orient
Decide
Act

Fundamentally, Chris observes things normally. He's not blind, he might even have the autistic trait of being obsessed or concerned over minute details. Even if he doesn't, he still sees and hears the same things that everyone else does.

Chris just doesn't orient himself correctly. Of the five components that should making orienting himself work, he largely disregards previous experience, new information, and essentially his operating assumptions fail harder than Lehman Brothers. Inside that noggin of CWC is nearly no ability to discard or recalculate his assumptions, or even to ADMIT ERROR.

A great example of this is:
http://sonichu.com/cwcki/THAT_IS_MY_HOUSE

Where Chris is told directly by Bob that he screwed up. Chris can parrot that to the viewers, but there is no emotional acceptance of it. And less than 0:10 later, he's screaming about how he's going to have people arrested for his own actions.

This is why I've always thought that Chris needs to have his assumptions broken dead by life events. While I take no joy in horrible things happening to CWC, the grimmer truth is that It appears even this is not enough. As a result of stupid beliefs about men, women, trolls, and his own position in the world CWC makes terrible decisions, but because Chris doesn't learn--his life is destined to grow bleaker and worse.

Then, based on the above, Chris makes decisions that make no sense to anyone except himself. He is straight, hates homos, and yet thinks going tomgirl is somehow advantageous. He tries to apply different rules about the standards others are held to and he is held to, which never apply to him--He tries to claim that deeds are how to judge someone, then ignore his own misdeeds. And then there is Liquid Chris, a saga that he decided to enter; the Other Chris is a cancer survivor with a withered arm.

The showdown ended with Chris somehow OK with the idea that he was the real CWC because he sucked more than Liquid. While true, it he never, NOT ONCE contemplated any actual means of improving himself.

And then there are actions:

Chris hates trolls, and then he decides to be one (JuniorJenkins), and tries to sic trolls on people he doesn't like (Mimms, WM Manajerk, etc)
Chris hates gays, but he goes around like a drag queen.
Negative consequences, like Arrests, Bann, or even simple mockery, happen as a result of his actions and he does them again.

Put simply, Chris doesn't know how to learn. He's as useless as a computer that can't run programs.

 

[Count groudon]

Well from what I've seen, these contradictions are caused by Chris moulding his beliefs to fit whatever situation he's in. His exes are trolls when he's whining about all his abuse, but hot sexy ladies when he's bragging. Other contradictions, such as him claiming he hates homos because the bible is against it, and then going off and watching porn and making death threats are caused by his mental retardation.

 

[dogprince]

Yeah I don't think it's really anything special. It's irritating as fuck but I know a ton of pretty normal people who doublethink about something or another. I think it's a defense mechanism? I wonder if he ever feels any cognitive dissonance.

Probably not.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Other contradictions, such as him claiming he hates homos because the bible is against it, and then going off and watching porn and making death threats are caused by his mental retardation.

Nah, that's just par for the course; that kind of hypocrisy is rampant. Chris is just inadvertently more True and Honest about it than a lot of his coreligionists because he's stupid enough to blindly engage in doublethink rather than come up with some excuse or rationale.

 

[QI 541]

Chris isn't capable of analyzing his own actions. He doesn't consider himself a troll, he isn't aware that people will think he's gay if he crossdresses all the time, and when he gets banned from a store for vandalism, he thinks the manager's the one who broke the law.

If he does notice a contradiction, he'll just make up a justification for it. This isn't uncommon behavior, and it's not necessarily bad behavior, but Chris can easily justify anything because he thinks he should be allowed to do whatever he wants as long as he feels strongly about it.

 

[BillRiley]

Hmm...I'm not sure his education has anything to do with his stupidity. I mean, sure, his lack of focus or attention to his studies means that he's by no means book smart. But Chris lacks common sense, and you don't need to be formally educated to have that.

Of course environment plays a factor. I wonder if Chris would be smarter if, instead of Buttfuck, Virginia, he was raised somewhere like upstate New York.

Isolation kills common sense pretty quickly, and barely leaving the house is just as destructive in NY as in Virginia. Growing up with Borb and never making an attempt to learn new things or get outside and do something pretty much has left him in a slow spiral of regression. And that's even without factoring in the autism.

Well, if modern day Chris moved states, you'd probably be right.

But if he grew up somewhere else, there's an area for speculation.

Though I find myself mildly surprised to write this - I don't think growing up in Virginia was necessarily a handicap for Our Autistic Hero. The University of Virginia was a pioneer in the study and treatment of autism going back to the 70s and 80s. (Ironically, the very campus where Chris-­Chan roamed looking for a boy-friend free girl.) Additionally, some of the best schools for people with autism are in Virginia, such as the Virginia Institute of Autism in Charlottesville, the Faison School in Richmond and the Grafton School in Winchester.

What did handicap Chris was his dimwitted parents, who pulled him out of school when it looked like he might get some real help and convinced him that their bullshit "mainstreaming" idea was the best way. If his parents hadn't been unregenerate fucktards, Chris might well have avoided years of pointless vidya game obsessing, useless Love Questing and general batshit insanity.

 

[Coldgrip]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

 

[MysticMisty]

Isolation kills common sense pretty quickly, and barely leaving the house is just as destructive in NY as in Virginia. Growing up with Borb and never making an attempt to learn new things or get outside and do something pretty much has left him in a slow spiral of regression. And that's even without factoring in the autism.

Well, if modern day Chris moved states, you'd probably be right.

But if he grew up somewhere else, there's an area for speculation.

Though I find myself mildly surprised to write this - I don't think growing up in Virginia was necessarily a handicap for Our Autistic Hero. The University of Virginia was a pioneer in the study and treatment of autism going back to the 70s and 80s. (Ironically, the very campus where Chris-­Chan roamed looking for a boy-friend free girl.) Additionally, some of the best schools for people with autism are in Virginia, such as the Virginia Institute of Autism in Charlottesville, the Faison School in Richmond and the Grafton School in Winchester.

What did handicap Chris was his dimwitted parents, who pulled him out of school when it looked like he might get some real help and convinced him that their bullshit "mainstreaming" idea was the best way. If his parents hadn't been unregenerate fucktards, Chris might well have avoided years of pointless vidya game obsessing, useless Love Questing and general batshit insanity.

On one of the previous forum versions somebody actually argued that Bob did right by pulling Chris out of school and running to Richmond by arguing that at a special school Chris was almost guaranteed to be abused and neglected by the teachers instead of helping him.

 

[Henry Bemis]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

America. Fuck yeah.

 

[pickleniggo]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

America. Fuck yeah.

Let's put it this way: even if Chris went to a special school, he'd still have Borb as parents.
Would he still have a chance? Or would it be more likely that the second he came home from school, every attempt to help Chris would go out the window?

 

[fridgesrants]

The whole entire Tom Girl saga was a complete contradiction tbh. How does some one go from saying homosexuals are evil and they are trying to take him off the straight path to walking around town in drag. I just find it extremely strange.

 

[Coldgrip]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

What about neglect?

How was he being neglected? Chris got all the toys he could of wanted, (at least) three squares a day, he had clothes to cover his back and a roof over his head. I know that some people would argue that raising him the way they did would constitute neglect, but it doesn't.

Being a fuckwit bumpkin and raising an autistic child as a selfish, spoiled manbaby isn't a crime. But it does show everybody what a disgusting human being you are for doing so.

 

[MysticMisty]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

America. Fuck yeah.

Let's put it this way: even if Chris went to a special school, he'd still have Borb as parents.
Would he still have a chance? Or would it be more likely that the second he came home from school, every attempt to help Chris would go out the window?

If he had gone to a special school chances are they would have been working to help him at home to. Instead of doing things like teaching him to talk by encouraging him to parrot the names of Go-Bots because he'd get the toys if he did so.

 

[Some JERK]

I ask: Is this a sign of Chris's stupidity, his autism, or... and I don't ask this lightly... does it point to some mental disorder beyond either of those two?

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[AtreyuFalcor]

While everyone can agree that Borb raising him the way they did severely handicapped him, it ultimately wouldn't be considered abuse. It was their right to mainstream him even if other people with experience dealing with autistic children and adults were telling them otherwise.

What about neglect?

How was he being neglected? Chris got all the toys he could of wanted, (at least) three squares a day, he had clothes to cover his back and a roof over his head. I know that some people would argue that raising him the way they did would constitute neglect, but it doesn't.

Being a fuckwit bumpkin and raising an autistic child as a selfish, spoiled manbaby isn't a crime. But it does show everybody what a disgusting human being you are for doing so.

It was almost like they raised Chris chan like Paris Hilton would a pampered poodle. Sure she will "love" the poodle by giving him a lot of fun toys and tasty snacks, but she will never "love" him by training him hard not to bark at people, not to dig up other people's gardens etc. The poodle exists to make her feel good, and not for its own sake.

So I guess child Chris was kind of a poodle

 

[4Macie]

The whole entire Tom Girl saga was a complete contradiction tbh. How does some one go from saying homosexuals are evil and they are trying to take him off the straight path to walking around town in drag. I just find it extremely strange.

Or "homosexuals are bad because buttsex" to "I have to KEEP MYSELF STRAIGHT by looking at posters of girls that are 14 and 8 (sailor moon and chibi moon)" and then the dildo up his butt and when he admitted that "lately, sticking my finger up there has started to feel good. so after that whole julie thing I'm all good for anal play" Everything about Chris screams closet homosexual (homophobe, likes things in the butt, thinks if he looks at dicks long enough it'll swing him to the dark side, etc). BUT in reality, Chris is probably asexual and only wants a girlfriend because she'll be his new mommy. Chris has never expressed that he wants sex because he has actual needs, it's always because Crystal was promised to him or because sex means he's an adult

 

[Varis]

The whole entire Tom Girl saga was a complete contradiction tbh. How does some one go from saying homosexuals are evil and they are trying to take him off the straight path to walking around town in drag. I just find it extremely strange.

While transvestites aren't necessarily gay, I do wonder why he thinks that a straight woman would be attracted to femininity, or why a lesbian would want to have anything to do with his duck.

Maybe he is just that submissive. Or he genuinely wants to be a girl.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Or "homosexuals are bad because buttsex" to "I have to KEEP MYSELF STRAIGHT by looking at posters of girls that are 14 and 8 (sailor moon and chibi moon)" and then the dildo up his butt and when he admitted that "lately, sticking my finger up there has started to feel good. so after that whole julie thing I'm all good for anal play" Everything about Chris screams closet homosexual (homophobe, likes things in the butt, thinks if he looks at dicks long enough it'll swing him to the dark side, etc). BUT in reality, Chris is probably asexual and only wants a girlfriend because she'll be his new mommy. Chris has never expressed that he wants sex because he has actual needs, it's always because Crystal was promised to him or because sex means he's an adult

I definitely disagree with you closet theory because none of Chris' behaviours is an actual indicator of homosexuality. Lots of heterosexuals like anal play and lots of homosexuals don't.

Chris' inane ideas that exposure to ducks might turn him gay is - like most of his inane ideas - very likely due to the influence of Bob. As is his parroted distaste of gays and his fearful repeated proclamation of his straightness.

Chris used to have sexual needs but as his age increases, his libido deteriorates. I think this is partly due to his appaling diet and partly due to his more and more apparent depression.