Chris's Mental Contradictions

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Or "homosexuals are bad because buttsex" to "I have to KEEP MYSELF STRAIGHT by looking at posters of girls that are 14 and 8 (sailor moon and chibi moon)" and then the dildo up his butt and when he admitted that "lately, sticking my finger up there has started to feel good. so after that whole julie thing I'm all good for anal play" Everything about Chris screams closet homosexual (homophobe, likes things in the butt, thinks if he looks at dicks long enough it'll swing him to the dark side, etc). BUT in reality, Chris is probably asexual and only wants a girlfriend because she'll be his new mommy. Chris has never expressed that he wants sex because he has actual needs, it's always because Crystal was promised to him or because sex means he's an adult

I definitely disagree with you closet theory because none of Chris' behaviours is an actual indicator of homosexuality. Lots of heterosexuals like anal play and lots of homosexuals don't.

Chris' inane ideas that exposure to ducks might turn him gay is - like most of his inane ideas - very likely due to the influence of Bob. As is his parroted distaste of gays and his fearful repeated proclamation of his straightness.

Chris used to have sexual needs but as his age increases, his libido deteriorates. I think this is partly due to his appaling diet and partly due to his more and more apparent depression.

Also, everyone who knows Chris personally can verify he does enjoy and desire sex... albeit for completely immature reasons. Chris likes him some hooker time.

Having said that, I do agree with SOME of 4Macie's ideas. Chris does have some sort of closeting going on, there are some type of feelings he just doesn't want to deal with. I don't think it means he's gay, but I do think it means he's not prepared to deal with life as a mature heterosexual male. Given his "I want a fuckmommy" attitude, that part is already apparent to us, but Chris is explaining it to himself in very autistic ways.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Also, everyone who knows Chris personally can verify he does enjoy and desire sex... albeit for completely immature reasons. Chris likes him some hooker time.

Having said that, I do agree with SOME of 4Macie's ideas. Chris does have some sort of closeting going on, there are some type of feelings he just doesn't want to deal with. I don't think it means he's gay, but I do think it means he's not prepared to deal with life as a mature heterosexual male. Given his "I want a fuckmommy" attitude, that part is already apparent to us, but Chris is explaining it to himself in very autistic ways.

I agree: There are some type of feelings Fatty doesn't want to deal with.
The reason is very simple: Fear.
Chris is afraid of certain feelings. His psychosexual development has been messed up by fear.

I stick by my original Hypothesis: Chris used to be mortally afraid of Bob. He has internalized this fear on so many levels that it will never leave him.

I think that Bob instilled a fear of being gay in him - because Chris wouldn't show interest in girls when he came of an age to do so. Bon possibly "started arguments" about that, so Chris said "I'm working on it" and started his sweetheart search.

He never revised his search methods, even though it was obvious that they'd never work. Maybe he didn't want to succeed, he just wanted Bob out of his hair.
Remember, Bob came along for the Emily date, probably to make sure that his fairypuss of a son wouldn't mess it up and blow his chances.

Chris was a late bloomer. When Megan became "available", his libido went full retard. Hilarity ensued.
After that, Chris sexual activities were solely autoerotic. He was secure about his masterbation habits because he picked up enough sensible sex-ed stuff to know that "everybody was doing it" and because he could do whatever he want whenever he wanted it without any interfrence from the outside world which grew to become ever more frightening.

The fuckmommy thing has been overanalyzed IMHO. The explanation for that is probably as simple as : Chris is an idiot and has no idea how things work, including a relationship between adults.

 

[Marvin]

Whatever Chris is, it's not heterosexual.

He might be a latent homosexual, for reasons people have already raised.

Personally I think he's asexual. He's mentally the age of five, his emotional and sexual maturity is definitely stunted. I think he wants sex not because he desires the act in itself but because he has a warped sense of normalcy. He sees neuro-typical interpersonal reaction through the lens of his autism and therefore has odd ideas about what constitutes being normal. In Chris' mind being a heterosexual male who has sex with plenty of beautiful women is 'normal' and I think that he desperately wants to be normal. In light of his tirades against his autism I think that this isn't an unlikely proposition.

Nah, people say this a lot, but really, Chris isn't trying to impress anyone or meet any standards of normalcy. Really, that's the opposite of Chris, actually. If Chris feels he needs to, he'll have no problem with him and Barb fighting against the world. It feeds into his view of the world, y'know, how it's full of jerks and trolls trying to ruin his life.

At this point, I honestly believe Chris cannot be homosexual at this point in his life. He's essentially trained himself to be so disgusted by male nudity, to the point where he's having almost physical reactions to being exposed to it. He's a literal homophobe. Maybe he could've been gay if he was raised in a normal household? At this point, I don't think we'll know what the truth was.

 

[dogprince]

The whole entire Tom Girl saga was a complete contradiction tbh. How does some one go from saying homosexuals are evil and they are trying to take him off the straight path to walking around town in drag. I just find it extremely strange.

Other than stereotypes, dressing in drag doesn't really have anything at all at all to do with homosexuality.
He's never shown any particular interest in following "normal" society's social standards so... really though. If you ignore that, what's so strange about wearing whatever pieces of cloth you want? And I don't think this was about attracting women. Maybe he excuses it as that, but I don't see the tomgirl thing as that or really anything sexual at all.

He just felt comfortable doing it, so he kept doing it.

And really, I don't think he's gay at all. There's pretty much no evidence for it from what I see. It's a bit funny to call him a homo and have him rage, but...

I really believe he's asexual or straight. If he's in the closet about something he MIGHT be trans, but I ain't really feeling it. He's a really feminine kind of dude, who may or may not like assplay. None of that makes you gay, regardless of societal perception. As for him being scared to death of catching the gay, I think it's a fairly common conservative/pop cultural talking point and with his autism and sheltered upbringing he probably does legitimately straight out believe it's a communicable disease.

 

[CatParty]

He's too much of a child to give him a defined sexuality.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

He's too much of a child to give him a defined sexuality.

No.
Remember Megan?
Fatty was all over that fine piece of tail like a hormonally overcharged bee buzzing around a delicate flower. He had to be told to back down so many times he's lucky he didn't get swatted.

And he wasn't looking for no fuckmommy neither. He had to take care of stuff for Megan instead. All that sweaty grabbing and groping, awkward attempts at kiss-stealing and his fevered dreams of ravishing her in a hotel room - Fatty's libido back then knew exactly what it wanted - a taste of that sweet, sweet candy in a KISS shirt - and the rest of him unquestioningly and unremittently bumbled along.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I think it's pretty definite that he's into women. I think at its core, his "women are wonderful, men are disgusting" attitude is at least partly based on a very retarded interpretation of his own sexual feelings - hmm yeah, I want to fuck women and not men, therefore I should judge them as people based only on those feelings.

Now, is Chris comfortable being a man? That's a much more complex issue. I believe that he's interested in women, but he's got serious gender identity issues.

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

I think it's pretty definite that he's into women. I think at its core, his "women are wonderful, men are disgusting" attitude is at least partly based on a very retarded interpretation of his own sexual feelings - hmm yeah, I want to fuck women and not men, therefore I should judge them as people based only on those feelings.

I think that's just his default "Act like an entitled asshole to everyone unless they have something I want" attitude. Women could give him china, so he will reign in his behavior around them and try to act polite (failing at it, but still) as long as the possibility exists. Once that possibility is gone they become evil bitches and trolls no better then JERKS. And since men cannot give him china in the first place he has no reason to show them any respect.

You could also add in his brand loyalty. To Chris hating men and everything male is natural because they are "competing" with women in his mind. It's no different then Pokemon verses Harry Potter or PlayStation verses Xbox.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I think Chris did those things because in his retarded mind that's what you're supposed to do. It's possible, maybe even probable, that Megan made him feel things he's never felt before or since but I think the more likely explanation is that, through a series of misunderstandings (primarily due to his retardation) he saw Megan as his sweetheart and figured that you're supposed grope and grab and try to kiss your sweetheart.

Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. Chris doesn't ever do things just because that's what society says you're supposed to do, but if he thinks he's supposed to do a thing to get what he's already decided he wants, he might go that direction. Or at least he used to; nowadays he seems more ready to throw in the towel immediately and call other people mean because they don't just give him whatever he wants for nothing.

I think that's just his default "Act like an entitled asshole to everyone unless they have something I want" attitude.

That's huge with him too. He really doesn't understand why he should show respect to anyone when he doesn't see an immediate benefit to doing so.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Well, look at his treatment of Snyder. He wrote that little letter to Snyder, and then there was that time he actually went down to The Game Place to beg for his forgiveness, and when Snyder was like 'No. Get out', he turned right around and called him a JEW. Then once he realised he'd never be allowed back into The Game Place he started slandering Snyder on the internet and then hit him with his car.

A perfect mental contradiction, incidentally.

Stuff like that is what makes me wonder if Chris is capable of genuine remorse. Are there any circumstances under which Chris would feel guilt over having caused pain to another human being? If you can hit someone with your car and still consider yourself the victim, I'm not sure "guilt" is even possible.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Remember Megan?
Fatty was all over that fine piece of tail like a hormonally overcharged bee buzzing around a delicate flower. He had to be told to back down so many times he's lucky he didn't get swatted.

You make it sound more graphic than it was.

Let's hear it from Megan, shall we? She had this to say over a period of only 27 months:

1.)

Although I really don't mean to be cold but please don't try and advance on kissing me please.

2.)

So why do you keep getting too close and touching me? I REALLY don't like it at all. I know you said cause you have feelings for me and it's hard for you. But (I'm sorry, this sounds mean) you really need to try and get over it.

3.)

So for your own sake, please try to get rid of the lovey feelings for me and we can just be friends. So PLEASE don't touch me anymore ok? I don't like it! And last wed you really had me pinned against the wall. Please give me more space.

4.)

Also I'm just a little mad that I have to keep telling you to PLEASE stop touching me! It's like you're not wanting to listen to me! I tell you, then you say ok, but eventually you're back to the same tricks, and this time I really MEAN IT!! Even my other friends don't like it and think it's weird. So once and for all could you PLEASE STOP? You KNOW I don't like it so why do you keep doing it? It's not like you're gonna try and soften me or something. So, I don't wanna have to tell you again or I might get really angry. Cause you know unwanted remarks, or advances to a girl is Sexual Harassment and I don't take that lightly. Ok? So can you understand now? [...] And you already KNOW I don't love you so why make yourself unhappy by holding grudges and trying so hard to win me over?

5.)

One more thing, PLEASE minimize your touchy-ness. You KNOW WELL I dislike it, and I keep reminding you. Understand I'm not angry, but annoyed and a bit disapointed. I remember you said you'd NEVER do it again and yet...

6.)

I'm glad you didn't win the contest because I have no interest in going on a trip alone with someone who can't keep his hands off me. I'm not your girlfriend and I never will be. When I say "don't touch me" that means DON'T TOUCH ME! What may seem friendly to you is sexual harrassment to me. You whine that you're just being friendly but you obviously have no consideration for my feelings. The way you went off on Nina because she patted me on the head was very rude and uncalled for. Just because someone else has made physical contact with me doesn't give you the authority to do so. Remember, I have the right to decide who can come near me.

7.)

Although it may not seem like a big deal to you, it was to me. Just because I've allowed other guys to hug me, doesn't mean you automatically have that right. I have the right to decide who can get close to me. If a female doesn't like the way a guy advances or touches her, even if other females are ok with it- if that one female doesn't like it, it IS sexual harrassment. You greatly need to understand that.

And that's just in writing. Who knows how often she had to tell Chris in person to back the fuck off.

I don't know, how am I making this too graphic? Being told "hands off" even once is once too fucking often.

The Megan Saga really shows Fatty at his worst. I still wonder why Megan didn't slap him every time he tried to grope her. Something is wrong with that poor girl's headmeats, I think. Hot Mess Megan, die deutsche Kriegshündin.

 

[4Macie]

You make it sound more graphic than it was.

Let's hear it from Megan, shall we? She had this to say over a period of only 27 months:

1.)

Although I really don't mean to be cold but please don't try and advance on kissing me please.

2.)

So why do you keep getting too close and touching me? I REALLY don't like it at all. I know you said cause you have feelings for me and it's hard for you. But (I'm sorry, this sounds mean) you really need to try and get over it.

3.)

So for your own sake, please try to get rid of the lovey feelings for me and we can just be friends. So PLEASE don't touch me anymore ok? I don't like it! And last wed you really had me pinned against the wall. Please give me more space.

4.)

Also I'm just a little mad that I have to keep telling you to PLEASE stop touching me! It's like you're not wanting to listen to me! I tell you, then you say ok, but eventually you're back to the same tricks, and this time I really MEAN IT!! Even my other friends don't like it and think it's weird. So once and for all could you PLEASE STOP? You KNOW I don't like it so why do you keep doing it? It's not like you're gonna try and soften me or something. So, I don't wanna have to tell you again or I might get really angry. Cause you know unwanted remarks, or advances to a girl is Sexual Harassment and I don't take that lightly. Ok? So can you understand now? [...] And you already KNOW I don't love you so why make yourself unhappy by holding grudges and trying so hard to win me over?

5.)

One more thing, PLEASE minimize your touchy-ness. You KNOW WELL I dislike it, and I keep reminding you. Understand I'm not angry, but annoyed and a bit disapointed. I remember you said you'd NEVER do it again and yet...

6.)

I'm glad you didn't win the contest because I have no interest in going on a trip alone with someone who can't keep his MANOS off me. I'm not your girlfriend and I never will be. When I say "don't touch me" that means DON'T TOUCH ME! What may seem friendly to you is sexual harrassment to me. You whine that you're just being friendly but you obviously have no consideration for my feelings. The way you went off on Nina because she patted me on the head was very rude and uncalled for. Just because someone else has made physical contact with me doesn't give you the authority to do so. Remember, I have the right to decide who can come near me.

7.)

Although it may not seem like a big deal to you, it was to me. Just because I've allowed other guys to hug me, doesn't mean you automatically have that right. I have the right to decide who can get close to me. If a female doesn't like the way a guy advances or touches her, even if other females are ok with it- if that one female doesn't like it, it IS sexual harrassment. You greatly need to understand that.

And that's just in writing. Who knows how often she had to tell Chris in person to back the fuck off.

I don't know, how am I making this too graphic? Being told "MANOS off" even once is once too fucking often.

The Megan Saga really shows Fatty at his worst. I still wonder why Megan didn't slap him every time he tried to grope her. Something is wrong with that poor girl's headmeats, I think. Hot Mess Megan, die deutsche Kriegshündin.

And, sadly, that's not even ALL of it. Remember when Chris tried to kiss her, she said no, then the next time they see each other Megan sits on that other Chris's lap and gives him a peck on the cheek? Remember what Chris did then? He lost his damn mind. He upped the creepy by trying to touch her hair, smell her hair, he tried, and failed to pull off, the reaching across the table and accidentally brushing the boob play; AND THEN he had the nerve to try and threaten the other Chris for getting a kiss from Megan and getting to touch Megan. His literal feelings about that were that if Megan let a gay man touch her, that means Chris should be allowed to touch her too. AAAAND then the "SheCameForCWC" picture. You know, the picture he drew so he wouldn't try and RAPE her? Yeah. The Megan-saga really showed us how Chris is/was with women.

 

[Cwckifan]

We've done a pretty good job documenting and illustrating Chris's ability to hold two completely opposing beliefs. To give but a few examples, Chris can simultaneously believe "I had a bunch of girlfriends" and "I never had any girlfriends, just trolls". Also "My Sonichu creation is world-famous" and "My creation never went anywhere". Finally, "My gal-pals were all in love with me" and "The bitches all betrayed me and want nothing to do with me!".

To say the least, this is not a sign of a well-adjusted person of any age or intelligence. Even young children understand that two opposite truths cannot coexist. If you were on the playground, you were not ALSO in class. It's one or the other. Yet Chris's brain is unable to maintain even this standard.

I ask: Is this a sign of Chris's stupidity, his autism, or... and I don't ask this lightly... does it point to some mental disorder beyond either of those two? I really wonder if this level of disconnect from reality is perhaps the best sign that Chris needs therapy.

For what it's worth, maybe neither. Really, issues of location are one thing, yet subjective impression--which emotion really is--is another. So in that case, one could argue that there are 2 coexisting truths, with their contradictory nature being entirely coincidental. On one hand, there is his truth (I really liked my gal-pals, a lot of people talk about my comic, some 'girls' told me they were into me), and conversely, there's everyone else's truth (his gal-pals didn't see him as a friend, his comic is popular only among a small group of folks who like works they find to be wonderfully awful, the 'girls' were trolls). Accordingly, just combine Chris's version of the story with his autism, naiveté, and general egotism, and all of the sudden Chris liking his gal-pals means that they liked him too, some people 'liking' his comic means that it's super popular, and even if all of the 'girlfriends' were trolls, they still exist in some form, and repeatedly confirmed that they were indeed in a relationship--the perception of others be damned. Accordingly, his so-called 'mental contradictions' are really just an expression of his understanding of events, with an (indeed rare) appreciation of the different perception of others. As such, while he can't deny that others felt differently, he still sees his perception as more 'true' than theirs, hence the conflict

 

[Doge]

Someone mentioned it earlier, but I don't think the whole Tomgirl business is really contradicting to anything else in his personal outlook. He's always had a very anti-masculine thing going on. "Random brutes", and he equates masculinity with aggression. Aside from the POWER phase, he's always tried to play himself off as a peaceful messianic figure (though, him taking that role even as he wishes death on people could be considered some impressive mental gymnastics). The Tomgirl thing though is more tied to his lack of understanding of gender norms or perhaps his rebellion against those same norms. Dressing up like a woman is just the next step in his progression against masculinity. In his mind, there's not a problem at all there as what he wears and his sexuality are two very different, exclusive ideas. Let's not forget, this is his conception of the 'ultimate dark being':

Shirtless, ripped and into the Leather scene.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I don't dispute the facts. What I dispute is your previous depiction of them as some kind of hard-boiled Mickey Spillane-esque porn novel.

My apologies, I obviously have misunderstood your point.
Should I take it then that you object to me calling Miss Schroeder "a fine piece of tail"?
Well, I'm afraid I'll have to stand by that assessment. I consider our deutsche Kriegsführungsschlampe to be exactly that.
And considering the fact that Miss Schroeder has/had a thing for German soldiers, Bernd Lauert would be right up her alley. At least he wouldn't mind being right up her alley, if you catch my drift.

Also, the Megan saga is hardly Chris at his worst. Continuing to blame her for shit she didn't do and calling for her death is much worse, but even that's not the worst thing Chris has done.

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree. I consider Fatty posting idiotic and inconsequential rants or threats about or at her on his fb page several shades less bad than Fatty constantly and clumsily trying to cop a feel after being told that she is creeped out by his attempts. That's basically assault. Considering actual harm done instead of taking the ravings of a clown at face value, I think Fatty has never harmed anyone as profoundly as he did Megan. Hitting Snyder with his car is a close second, but still a second IMO.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Are there any circumstances under which Chris would feel guilt over having caused pain to another human being?

No.

 

[4Macie]

Should I take it then that you object to me calling Miss Schroeder "a fine piece of tail"?
Well, I'm afraid I'll have to stand by that assessment. I consider our deutsche Kriegsführungsschlampe to be exactly that.
And considering the fact that Miss Schroeder has/had a thing for German soldiers, Bernd Lauert would be right up her alley. At least he wouldn't mind being right up her alley, if you catch my drift.

Also, the Megan saga is hardly Chris at his worst. Continuing to blame her for shit she didn't do and calling for her death is much worse, but even that's not the worst thing Chris has done.

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree. I consider Fatty posting idiotic and inconsequential rants or threats about or at her on his fb page several shades less bad than Fatty constantly and clumsily trying to cop a feel after being told that she is creeped out by his attempts. That's basically assault. Considering actual harm done instead of taking the ravings of a clown at face value, I think Fatty has never harmed anyone as profoundly as he did Megan. Hitting Snyder with his car is a close second, but still a second IMO.

He put Snyder in the hospital. He did nothing to Megan that a good slap couldn't have fixed, if Megan had actually bothered to administer one.

Personally, I think his behaviour in and around The GAMe PLACe, taken as a whole, shows Chris' worst side. Racism, homophobia, molestation (attempted or otherwise), being a selfish prick, hypocrisy, trespassing, death threats, attempted vehicular assault, vehicular assault and finally victim blaming. What he did to Megan alone is fairly minor compared to what he did to all of the GAMe PLACe's patrons.

Also Megan, hot? Really?

Where's the source that Snyder was sent to the hospital because of Chris? I know Chris/Barb hit him with their car, but I thought that was just some leg scraps, not even close to hospital stay injuries? I'm sure he saw a doctor (which is bad in its own right) but I don't think he actually went to the hospital.

And personally, I don't think any one saga shows Chris at his worst; you have to look at everything he's done to get a good picture of how Chris 'really' is.

 

[Varis]

Also Megan, hot? Really?

Beauty and the eye of the beholder, but I also think she is pretty. Awkward and unhappy with her looks, but pretty.

Source: projecting like a motherfucker!

 

[Attention_Whore]

I don't know, how am I making this too graphic? Being told "MANOS off" even once is once too fucking often.

The Megan Saga really shows Fatty at his worst. I still wonder why Megan didn't slap him every time he tried to grope her. Something is wrong with that poor girl's headmeats, I think. Hot Mess Megan, die deutsche Kriegshündin.

I don't dispute the facts. What I dispute is your previous depiction of them as some kind of hard-boiled Mickey Spillane-esque porn novel.

And yeah, Megan definitely had issues. I think that if Chris' weren't such a creeper and wasn't so blatantly, obnoxiously and egregiously in the wrong in their little conflict, Megan would've been put under a bigger microscope.

Also, the Megan saga is hardly Chris at his worst. Continuing to blame her for shit she didn't do and calling for her death is much worse, but even that's not the worst thing Chris has done.

You're right, the worst thing Chris ever did was

Spoiler

the Holocaust

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I dunno. She's kinda wiry. Plus she's got that awkward smile, and that chin which is...ugh. I'm also not a fan of her hair.

In all fairness, the awkward smile could have been because Chris was around.