Christian Dominionists - Bible Versus Constitution

[BestUserName]

From what I understand a lot people in this movement believe that a woman dressed too "revealing" (like wearing pants) is tempting as all men can't control their sexual urges. Or for that matter kissing before marriage is a sin.

Yet these people somehow think they are so much better then Muslims, and they are so not.

I fell down the rabbit hole because my fundie neighbors are so nice but associated with this guy.

If they affiliate with Bill Gothard, they are NOT good people.

 

[heymate]

No, they can't be like jail, that's ridiculous. How is a university anything like jail?

How would you like to be put in a school that teaches getting raped is your fault in some way, discriminates against the LGBT community by banning homosexuals if they get found out, doesn't teach any real degrees you need to get real jobs, and doesn't let you question literally anything or else face terrible consequences?

 

[Caesare]

, discriminates against the LGBT community by banning homosexuals if they get found out, doesn't teach any real degrees you need to get real jobs, and doesn't let you question literally anything or else face terrible consequences?

Sure, I'll answer that. I wouldn't want to go to any school that isn't accredited, however, the school in that article someone linked (the one about the woman who wrote the article yet still went to that school for college even though her parents AND her were completely aware that the school was unaccredited from the very beginning, even before they forked over their money to send her there.

Even the school in that article, although not accredited across the board for most every subject like any prestigious university, was well renown for their nursing program according to the former student who wrote that article. There are technical colleges that aren't full fledged universities, whose focus is on their nursing programs, which are recognized and well respected in the job market. Meaning, you can graduate from these schools in nursing and your employers will recognize your degrees from these dubious colleges and hire you in a heartbeat, since many of them specialize in medically related fields such as nursing, dental hygienists, etc.

How would you like to be put in a school that teaches getting raped is your fault in some way

This, I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Can you please show me some proof where any school teaches that getting raped is "your fault" because I'm very dubious that such a thing exists outside of someone's perverted imagination. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can show me a school's handbook where such a thing is the case. So if you can show me a college website that states this in their official rules or handbook, I'll concede that point to you, because that isn't cool at all. It all just sounds so dubious that to me that it feels like something made up that the big, expensive universities would spend time/money to put out there to discourage parents from sending their children and their money to these smaller colleges.

While we are on that subject though, look at the news on rape statistics coming out of large universities for the past 20 years or so. Look at how many big news stories occurred from larger, prestigious universities involving these large, well respected schools trying to sweep rape allegations under the rug, particularly when it involves a big name sports players who make oodles of $$$ for their universities and their sports programs, not to mention the publicity it gives the universities when these big name players are eventually drafted in the NFL/NBA.

Now, on to your last point about discriminating against the LGBT community by banning homosexuals if they are found out. This, I have zero problem with. Not because I have some kind of underlying hatred of homosexuals (I'm from N.O. this is homo heaven. I've dealt with these people for my entire life.) but, why I have no problem with is the fact that the rule you clearly stated is "they will ban homosexuals if they are "found out".

Why would they ever be found out? These types of schools aren't discriminating any harder against homosexuals than they are against heterosexuals, because that article said that the punishment was just as strict on heterosexual couples engaging in public displays of affection on campus.

These aren't "party schools" it seems like. They are meant to focus on your studies while on campus, not get drunk, party, sloppily make out with your significant other in the library, etc.

Now if you want to engage in any and all of those acts off campus, there is absolutely nothing the schools can do to you. These schools aren't going to ban you if you are a lesbian and get you haircut in a stereotypical butch haircut while you are on campus, but if they catch you making out in the back of your college algebra class, perhaps they will.

I don't have a problem with this either, and I'll tell you why. It's none of the school business what you do in your free time when you are outside of the campus. If you want to go to homosexuals orgies in town on the weekend, there is absolutely nothing the school can do to you as an adult attending one of these functions. If they even so much as tried to dictate your behavior while you were off the school's campus, you better believe they'd be lawsuits galore.

Your sexuality shouldn't be anybodies business, not your classmates, not your friends (if you don't want to discuss it with them) and certainly not the schools. As long as YOU don't go out of your way to make a big deal of wearing your sexuality on your sleeve like some kind of attention starved loser, than you'll have no problems.

These schools aren't going to outright ask you if you are a homosexual if you join them. The bottom line is, they want your money. However, if you go out of your way with public displays of affection, walking around and making sure you let EVERYONE know about your sexuality, then frankly, it's your fault. You are basically asking to get kicked out of a school that made it perfectly clear in their handbook of rules that this type of behavior wouldn't be acceptable there.

Here's a real life anecdote to drive the point home. My cousin went to a Catholic high school that had a rule in the student handbook that no student would be allowed to graduate school at this particular high school if you had any children. By the time my cousin graduated, about 7 of the boys there had kids of their own by senior year graduation. One in particular had a kid his sophomore (10th grade) year.

Long story short, all of these guys with children were able to graduate. Do you know why? Because people knew how to keep their damn mouths shut! It's the exact same thing at these unusual Bible College's. If you want to be a dangerhair, demisexual, furry, asexual, polygamous, BDSM, LGBT whatever, feel free to do so, OUTSIDE OF THE CAMPUS.

The problem with those types is, an increasing majority of them aren't doing it because it's who they are, they are doing it because they want people to know about it.

If they would keep all of this to themselves, we wouldn't have ANY of these problems.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Now, on to your last point about discriminating against the LGBT community by banning homosexuals if they are found out. This, I have zero problem with. Not because I have some kind of underlying hatred of homosexuals (I'm from N.O. this is homo heaven. I've dealt with these people for my entire life.) but, why I have no problem with is the fact that the rule you clearly stated is "they will ban homosexuals if they are "found out".

Why would they ever be found out? These types of schools aren't discriminating any harder against homosexuals than they are against heterosexuals, because that article said that the punishment was just as strict on heterosexual couples engaging in public displays of affection on campus.

You see, this assumes that the school observes equal standards, which, as has already been shown, it does not. Now, I cannot produce any empirical evidence for this in this case, but I DO know that, at a similar institution in my area, a friend of mine was kicked out because of a local rumor that he was homosexual. Note that he WASN'T homosexual; he just liked salmon shirts, had a "metrosexual" haircut, and was seen with a male friend going to the movies. I bring this up because I suspect that birds of a feather flock together, and any abnormal behavior on behalf of a student that steps outside of archaic gender roles would be taken as evidence of homosexuality by this school.

 

[Jan_Hus]

So Bob Jones or Brigham Young?

Fun fact, Brigham Young had 23 wives.

 

[Sailor Haumea]

Oh sweet Jesus, Pensacola Christian College.

They publish homeschooling "textbooks" that are more like propaganda, under the title "A Beka Book".

Among the completely insane assertions are:

"Evolution is the false idea that man began as an animal and slowly changed (evolved) into man."

"Babylon fell because of wickedness."

"The Muslims form the largest religious group in the world. They worship a false god named Allah."

" the first pharaoh of Egypt was Akhenaton". - This one is patently false - the earliest documented pharaoh was Iry-Hor.

"Karl Marx was the man who thought of the idea of Communism. He wanted Christianity to be abolished."

"Creation marks the beginning of human history."

"Man's attempt to put himself in the place of God is called humanism."

"The Bible is our only completely accurate record of ancient history."

" The Canaanites were so involved in wickedness that they had no time for great accomplishments and left no great deeds recorded in world history."

"The Bible was the secret of England's greatness."

"A Biblical heritage was the British colonists' most important gift to the New World"

Their health textbook has an entire chapter about spiritual health, with a section that rambles on and on about spiritual warfare and describes metaphorical armor that sounds like a retarded Christian version of Dungeons and Dragons.

The textbooks are insane to read.

 

[heymate]

"Babylon fell because of wickedness.”

Having grown up in a church whose members threw the word “wickedness” around every chance they got, the first thing that always comes to mind when I see that word is the image of two men in a chapel, clad in tuxedos and matching rings, vowing to spend the rest of their lives with each other and being pronounced a couple.

Sad.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Their health textbook has an entire chapter about spiritual health, with a section that rambles on and on about spiritual warfare and describes metaphorical armor that sounds like a exceptional Christian version of Dungeons and Dragons.

This is far more accurate than you'd expect. A lot of these hardcore evangelical kooks believe that a good portion, if not all, of Earth's evil is caused by literal, actual demons like something that sprang out of a Monster Manual, and think that as True Believers, they are empowered to smite said demons in spiritual warfare. Some of them also believe that people can be given "gifts of the Spirit", AKA psychic powers with a veneer of Jesus painted over.

Spoiler

There was a pastor in my hometown who believed in this kind of stuff, and he'd terrorize the elementary schoolers occasionally by dragging his zealots out in front of the school and howling about the evils of the modern world. He once harassed my friend for playing Pokemon and shouted that he could see "Satan's minions crawling out of the screen and burrowing their way into your HEART!" He also claimed the local Catholic church was responsible for all missing animals in the town because they sacrificed them to Mary, who was actually the Whore of Babylon.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

"Karl Marx was the man who thought of the idea of Communism. He wanted Christianity to be abolished."

Well isn't this one technically correct?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Well isn't this one technically correct?

Depends on what you mean by Communism. Communal living groups with property held in the commons have existed for millennia, from monastic groups (who are a Christian thing, but most Dominionists think that Catholics are idolaters or servants of Satan anyways) to many Millennialist (insert joke here) cults in the 19th century who thought that any day now Jesus was going to come back (famous historical lolcow and presidential assassin Charles J. Guiteau joined one of these groups, the Oneida community. Despite the Oneidan's teachings on universal love and their group-marriage social structure, he was reviled, never got laid, and was frequently called "Charles Gitout" behind his back). Marx just put a name to a social structure that already existed.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I just assumed they were referring to Communism as Marxist ideology.

 

[VoreDoggy]

"The Muslims form the largest religious group in the world. They worship a false god named Allah."

That's wrong in so many ways, if they concede that Catholics are Christian. From memory, Catholics+heretics>Muslims, and Catholics>any individual group of Muslims by pop. Muslims also worship exactly the same god as the other abrahamic religions, they just deny Jesus's divinity, and add Muhammad as another prophet.

"The Bible was the secret of England's greatness."

So they like high church Anglicans, but not Catholics?

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

I'd also note "Allah" literally means "God". Like, Al=Definite article, Lah=god. Like "Deus" means "God" in Latin and, according to my Google-Fu, "Jumala" means "God" in Finnish. Arab Christians also call him "Allah", because the word for "God" in Arabic is "Allah".

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Muslims also worship exactly the same god as the other abrahamic religions, they just deny Jesus's divinity, and add Muhammad as another prophet.

I'd also note "Allah" literally means "God". Like, Al=Definite article, Lah=god. Like "Deus" means "God" in Latin and, according to my Google-Fu, "Jumala" means "God" in Finnish. Arab Christians also call him "Allah", because the word for "God" in Arabic is "Allah".

It's the easiest dismissal in the world to look at your neighbor who is in the same club as you and go "but he doesn't follow all the same rules I want him to so he's not a true member."