Christopher Nolan hate thread

[millais]

Dunkirk should have shown more from the French and German perspective. The French army sacrificed a lot to hold the encircled pocket, and the Germans ran out of fuel to effectively press the offensive.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I like this thread.

I think (and this is probably the consensus now) that he disappeared up his own ass after The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is great. Probably a masterpiece. But it has some issues that have been highlighted endlessly by clout chasing Youtuber's. After that came out, it seems like the issues that film had were completely ignored and just enhanced to a ridiculous degree for Inception. And it just kept going. All the jerk off critics and jerk off fans kept saying "He's the next Kubrick! REEE!" And he kept doubling down until you get incomprehensible -the definition of trying to seem big brained- absolute garbage like Tenant. And that's been his problem:

He thinks he's a genius because he deliberately obfuscates the plot and keeps trying to make it as complicated as possible. Which is retarded.

“An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity… An idiot, the more complicated something is, the more he will admire it. If you make something so clusterfucked he can’t understand it, he’s gonna’ think you’re a god.” Terry A. Davis

Constant plot twists, sudden changes, holding back information from the audience to surprise them even if it betrays any sense of rationale does not make you big brained. It makes you look like an idiot. He's no Kubrick. He's become a Michael Bay that went to Harvard and thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.

 

[raspberry mocha]

I didn't care for Tenet. It's funny to see people make schizo charts and graphs about it like it's deep or something though.

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

The Nolan Batman trilogy is fucking amazing.

Tim Burton's Batman duology is better.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The Batman trilogy was solid for the most part. Way more watchable than any MCU film. But still ended on a low note.
Inception was just fart huffing and trying to make itself appear convoluted, but it's pretty simple and has an awful ending to make itself look deep.
I haven't watched Interstellar since it looked like Reddit - The Movie. Especially with the spiritual ending but with no religious partd (JUST DON'T SAY THE G WORD!).
Dunkirk was just a slog, but tbf I watched it on a flight.
The Prestige is supposedly good, but I got spoiled on the twist. I don't think anyone remembers the film.

 

[Overly Serious]

As a Zack Snyder appreciator, I'm glad for anything that temporarily turns the media forum's ire hose in a different direction. So I support this thread.

As to The Dark Knight, any hope it had of maintaining dramatic tension for me was finally killed during the finale when my mate leaned over and whispered in my ear "some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb".

 

[Night Crawler]

unpopular take, the Dark Knight has not aged well. I love all the actors involved, and I don't hate Christopher Nolan even though some of his movies think they're way better than they actually are (honestly you have to have that kind of chad retard mindset to make it in Hollywood anyway, unless you're Jewish). but the movie is a very late 2000s mish-mash of extremely questionable writing. Christian Bale's Batman voice is brutally cringy and makes no sense. Heath Ledger's Joker is all over the place, at times a quirky, unhinged, murderous weirdo, and other times a shabby redpilled genius who sees flawlessly through the lies of society while lecturing the other characters on the ridiculousness of their morals. Aaron Eckhart is great as Harvey Dent but abhorrent as Two-Face. the three of them come off as edgy middle schoolers LARPing their own versions of the characters - although they're all dwarfed by the legendary ridiculousness of Tom Hardy as Bane.

the movie comes together well at times - the cut of the Joker bombing the hospital, for example, or the scene where he burns the money stack. but whenever the movie dips into edgy monologue territory the ham levels rocket off the charts. every time I rewatch it I have a very hard time taking it seriously. the opening bank heist where the Joker has the entire job timed exactly down to knowing exactly when there would be a gap in the uniform school bus traffic outside, despite pausing his plan to dramatically reveal his face to the guy on the ground (why doesn't he spit out the grenade?), despite the bus visibly emerging from the wall of the bank into traffic, in the public line of sight (no damage to the bus either?); this cringy ass line; whatever the fuck this scene is; Eckhart's terrible CGI makeup; the list goes on. I get that nitpicking it is missing the point, but god damn.

The Dark Knight aside, I think Nolan generally makes entertaining movies. I genuinely liked Memento and Inception. Oppenheimer was fucking awful though.

I disagree. All three of the Nolan Batman movies are still really good. Even better when you take all the shitty comic based movies that Hollywood has shit out over the past 15 years or so. It's the only cape shit movie series where all three are good movies. Take Iron Man for example. Only the first one was good. The others were pretty bad.

The nolan batman trilogy is a good movie sandwiched inbetween a mid movie and a bad movie.

Its literally the "Group at 100% strength, group at 99% strength" meme, but for movies.

They were all good. I don't even like comic books. I can't even stand any of the MCU movies. Go watch some of those shitty Batman movies they made in the mid 90's. lol

Tim Burton's Batman duology is better.

They were good. But the Nolan trilogy is better.

The Batman trilogy was solid for the most part. Way more watchable than any MCU film. But still ended on a low note.
Inception was just fart huffing and trying to make itself appear convoluted, but it's pretty simple and has an awful ending to make itself look deep.
I haven't watched Interstellar since it looked like Reddit - The Movie. Especially with the spiritual ending but with no religious partd (JUST DON'T SAY THE G WORD!).
Dunkirk was just a slog, but tbf I watched it on a flight.
The Prestige is supposedly good, but I got spoiled on the twist. I don't think anyone remembers the film.

The only bad part of the Nolan Trilogy was that we didn't get a fourth movie.

 

[WULULULULU]

You can tell the amount of midwits on this thread (and on the forum by extension) based on if whether they like any Nolan film. A real cinephile would talk about Ingman Bergman or Martin Scorsese. The moment someone mentions Nolan, they should be barred from talking about film in general and should be called niggercattle by default.

 

[Overly Serious]

You can tell the amount of midwits on this thread (and on the forum by extension) based on if whether they like any Nolan film. A real cinephile would talk about Ingman Bergman or Martin Scorsese. The moment someone mentions Nolan, they should be barred from talking about film in general and should be called niggercattle by default.

Ooooh yes. I love Scorsese's obsession with a faux-70's New York culture that I have always liked and never ever found shallow and materialistic. His obsession with Italian Americans is something I, as a European, have always felt a close connection to. I also can't praise enough his static camera work, prosaic shot composition and focus on grimy, wallowing in the dregs of humanity themes. They really elevate the human spirit. His movie Taxi Driver in particular, following the story of a slightly retarded loser and his mild obsession with an underage prostitute is rightly seen as one of the high points of his career.

Some people might suggest that his success is largely due to his picking a milieu and location that appeals to coastal elite film critics who have a New York fixation but I wouldn't do that.

Some people do love his comments about superhero movies finding it lets them look down on their mass appeal by quoting a 'high brow' film maker, lets them be a bit snobby and superior. But I can put down MCU films myself and don't need to quote someone else to do so.

 

[Grand_Ole_Ostritch]

The Nolan Batman trilogy is fucking amazing.

The Dark Knight is great. The other two are boring as fuck.

 

[WULULULULU]

Ooooh yes. I love Scorsese's obsession with a faux-70's New York culture that I have always liked and never ever found shallow and materialistic. His obsession with Italian Americans is something I, as a European, have always felt a close connection to. I also can't praise enough his static camera work, prosaic shot composition and focus on grimy, wallowing in the dregs of humanity themes. They really elevate the human spirit. His movie Taxi Driver in particular, following the story of a slightly retarded loser and his mild obsession with an underage prostitute is rightly seen as one of the high points of his career.

Some people might suggest that his success is largely due to his picking a milieu and location that appeals to coastal elite film critics who have a New York fixation but I wouldn't do that.

Some people do love his comments about superhero movies finding it lets them look down on their mass appeal by quoting a 'high brow' film maker, lets them be a bit snobby and superior. But I can put down MCU films myself and don't need to quote someone else to do so.

>Last Temptation of Christ
>Wolf of Wall Street
>Shutter Island
>Killers of the Flower Moon
>""" faux-70's New York culture"""
Sounds like you don't even know what you are talking about lol.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

I disagree. All three of the Nolan Batman movies are still really good. Even better when you take all the shitty comic based movies that Hollywood has shit out over the past 15 years or so. It's the only cape shit movie series where all three are good movies. Take Iron Man for example. Only the first one was good. The others were pretty bad.

I agree that Nolan's Batman trilogy is better than the average capeshit. but capeshit in general is bottom of the barrel and IMO the Nolan trilogy doesn't rise high enough above the sewage to transcend it. however I will agree that those movies are entertaining and memorable to boot, which is certainly its own measure of quality. in conclusion, im gay.

Ooooh yes. I love Scorsese's obsession with a faux-70's New York culture that I have always liked and never ever found shallow and materialistic. His obsession with Italian Americans is something I, as a European, have always felt a close connection to. I also can't praise enough his static camera work, prosaic shot composition and focus on grimy, wallowing in the dregs of humanity themes. They really elevate the human spirit. His movie Taxi Driver in particular, following the story of a slightly retarded loser and his mild obsession with an underage prostitute is rightly seen as one of the high points of his career.

Some people might suggest that his success is largely due to his picking a milieu and location that appeals to coastal elite film critics who have a New York fixation but I wouldn't do that.

Some people do love his comments about superhero movies finding it lets them look down on their mass appeal by quoting a 'high brow' film maker, lets them be a bit snobby and superior. But I can put down MCU films myself and don't need to quote someone else to do so.

>Last Temptation of Christ
>Wolf of Wall Street
>Shutter Island
>Killers of the Flower Moon
>""" faux-70's New York culture"""
Sounds like you don't even know what you are talking about lol.

sounds right to me. I do like Scorcese movies generally but it's undeniable that he's one of those fags who deeply, desperately both loves and hates New York City's degenerate culture and history. that awful city does that to people. he didn't write most of his movies but it definitely comes through in the cinematography and acting. also, Killers of the Flower Moon fucking sucked (one of the few scripts he did actually write).

 

[Overly Serious]

sounds right to me. I do like Scorcese movies generally but it's undeniable that he's one of those fags who deeply, desperately both loves and hates New York City's degenerate culture and history. that awful city does that to people. he didn't write most of his movies but it definitely comes through in the cinematography and acting. also, Killers of the Flower Moon fucking sucked (one of the few scripts he did actually write).

One of the few Scorsese movies I enjoyed was Mad Dog and Glory - a film where Bill Murray plays a Mafia don, Robert Deniro plays a meek police photographer and Uma Thurman plays the waitress that Bill Murray gifts Robert Deniro for accidentally saving his life. I found it kind of funny and romantic at the time but I was a kid when I watched it. I watched it again as an adult and liked it a lot less - both the jokes and a little more creepy than I'd remembered.

But anyway, this is the Christopher Nolan thread and so should probably return to that. Least favourite Nolan movie? Interstellar. It's not his worst, Matthew Mconaughy is good as always as well, but it's my least favourite but it irks me in a way I am particularly sensitive to - people wildly going gaga over something that isn't that profound. Basically there's nothing in that story or setting that is especially original or deep in the world of Sci Fi. But because it's introduced to people who seem to be oblivious to all the precedent they all react to it as if it's ground breaking. I had similar reactions to things like The Davinci Code (yes, these theories have been around forever) or weirdly mainstreaming Dungeons and Dragons with Stranger Things or gritty (tm) fantasy with Game of Thrones. There's just something frustrating about something that you have known for years suddenly having people around you gasping. It's the same sort of feeling you get when you propose an idea at work and it gets nowhere then someone else says the same thing later and suddenly it's all "wow - yes, we should do that!".

Interstellar is a bit like that for me which is why for me it's probably his "worst".

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

The dude sucks at writing women. Literally every woman in his movies is annoying and takes away from the actual story. Tenet had some cool ideas but would have been an hour shorter if they didn't keep going back to the giantess the manlet black guy was obsessed with helping. Nigga who cares. Do some time travel shit.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

I couldn’t believe the praise Oppenheimer received, from people whose opinions I value. It was like an air horn being blasted in my face to keep me from falling asleep.

 

[Raging Capybara]

One of the few Scorsese movies I enjoyed was Mad Dog and Glory

I think you should learn how to use google. But maybe it's too much to ask for a capeshit fan.

 

[skykiii]

Was never a big fan of this guy or his movies. I hate his editing--the way I've always described it is they feel like you're watching a two-hour-long trailer.

I never saw Dark Knight Rises but Batman Begins and Dark Knight are some of the most overrated shit in cinema history.

I did like Inception though, and funnily enough this is a movie where his editing actually works in its favor since, ya know, its about dreams.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Was never a big fan of this guy or his movies. I hate his editing--the way I've always described it is they feel like you're watching a two-hour-long trailer.

I never saw Dark Knight Rises but Batman Begins and Dark Knight are some of the most overrated shit in cinema history.

I did like Inception though, and funnily enough this is a movie where his editing actually works in its favor since, ya know, its about dreams.

TDKR is a narrative mess and is definitely an example of having characters because normies have heard of them. Catwoman is in it and has next to no relevance to the plot. She doesn't really have any romantic scenes either, which is why I complained about having two-ineffective femme fatales in this movie. I think Joseph Gordon-Levitt had more importance to the plot and he's just a guy in this movie. Bane, memes aside, is a red herring for the real mastermind, Talia... who is so non-descript I can forgive people for forgetting she's even in the movie. Writer's fiat carries the movie to make Bane more successful than he really should be. Cops being trapped under the sewers for 6 months would kill them despite the supply of rat burgers. I'm going on about the plot because the characterization is pretty bad in this movie.

To its credit, I guess, it's the one in the trilogy where people were no longer hypnotized into thinking it's a masterpiece of cinema. All of Nolan's Batman films are flawed in similar ways, but no one ever picks up on how they're flawed.

 

[Overly Serious]

I think you should learn how to use google. But maybe it's too much to ask for a capeshit fan.

Hey ho, what do you know? Set in New York and starring Robert Deniro I remembered it as a Scorsese movie. Well I guess that's even fewer of Scorsese movies I've enjoyed! Cheers!

 

[Product Placement]

I did find Oppenheimer a return to form for Nolan and his best movie since Dark Knight.

I won't give him shit for the fact he can get his movies funded, rare for movies that aren't already a established ip to get the budgets he does. However, he would benefit from more oversight. especially on the audio front.