Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 - Final Fantasy/Persona inspired FRPG

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The plot the game pretends it has: Every year a godlike being paints a number and decreases everyone's lifespan, and every year expeditioners go on a suicide mission to try and stop her.
The plot it actually has: A mother took over her dead son's living painting to pretend he's still alive and the father wants to destroy the painting to get her out of it.

Yes I unironically prefer the RPG "save the world" plot over the pretentious grief plot that it was just a front for.

And the maker has been dead for years, the real Verso painted the canvas when he was a child. The option to exit the painting and leave it alone is brought up but no one takes it because the Dessendres are all uncompromising retards.
Because that's not how people work. There is no faggoty Reddit third choice that makes everyone is happy. You have a person with an addiction, either cut off the source or see him kill himself in the following years.

By having an ending with an actual tangible choice you actually think about, it rather than having an obligatory bittersweet ending, the game remains with you after you finish it.
 
Because that's not how people work. There is no faggoty Reddit third choice that makes everyone is happy. You have a person with an addiction, either cut off the source or see him kill himself in the following years.

By having an ending with an actual tangible choice you actually think about, it rather than having an obligatory bittersweet ending, the game remains with you after you finish it.
Both are heavily up to interpretation too. They never answer if Maelle can just repaint everything as it was in a different canvas. The echo of Verso admits he's tired but also believes everyone in the painting is just as valid as actual people. Verso himself in the DLC is shown actually having a good time and has an old diary from when everything began about how he thought they all had a right to exist. Also in the DLC, time is so dilated thousands of years have passed in the short time the canvas itself has actually existed, so Maelle could live an entire life inside and still come out only somewhat fucked up instead of dead.
 
Both are heavily up to interpretation too. They never answer if Maelle can just repaint everything as it was in a different canvas. The echo of Verso admits he's tired but also believes everyone in the painting is just as valid as actual people. Verso himself in the DLC is shown actually having a good time and has an old diary from when everything began about how he thought they all had a right to exist. Also in the DLC, time is so dilated thousands of years have passed in the short time the canvas itself has actually existed, so Maelle could live an entire life inside and still come out only somewhat fucked up instead of dead.
Even if she has the ability for it (debatable) it won't be the same. The whole point is the Canvas containing a piece of Verso's soul that forms the connection for the women of the family.

And like I said, Maelle would 100% spend her remaining days in the canvas. Even if she exited it to not become a shambling corpse, she would immediately return to it. It's an unrecoverable addiction.
 
Even if she has the ability for it (debatable) it won't be the same. The whole point is the Canvas containing a piece of Verso's soul that forms the connection for the women of the family.

And like I said, Maelle would 100% spend her remaining days in the canvas. Even if she exited it to not become a shambling corpse, she would immediately return to it. It's an unrecoverable addiction.
it's either that or some other drug to take the constant pain away
sad but that's what happens when you get disfigured to that point
 
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Just picked this game up and have put about 4 hours into it. I dig it but holy hell is this the single most overrated game I've ever played in my 40 years on this gay planet. I hated Call of Duty and even that wasn't as overrated as this game.
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Because that's not how people work. There is no faggoty Reddit third choice that makes everyone is happy. You have a person with an addiction, either cut off the source or see him kill himself in the following years.
I still do not understand why people keep harping on the escapism angle. Is that the only thing they got out of the game? Is there a streamer or some jewtuber that keeps peddling this crap and people are only capable of talking about this?
You meet phantoms, you read journal entries and you talk with all the people in the canvas, and everything points towards them being sentient creatures.
Is being created by a higher power not entitle you to life, just because said higher power becomes a fuck up at some point?
Maybe the christian in me is acting up, and I look at this and see discussion about intelligent design, creator responsibility, free will, definition of life. I refuse to reduce this game to just 'escapism bad'.
 
33 gets away with the twist for me because the twist is super broadcast. Pretty much right off the bat i was thinking the story was all in the paintress's head based on how nonsensical the world was once you started seeing it and that Maelle was the actual MC.

I am also thinking there is a real chance that Verso isnt dead and just cut and ran from his family.
 
I still do not understand why people keep harping on the escapism angle. Is that the only thing they got out of the game? Is there a streamer or some jewtuber that keeps peddling this crap and people are only capable of talking about this?
You meet phantoms, you read journal entries and you talk with all the people in the canvas, and everything points towards them being sentient creatures.
Is being created by a higher power not entitle you to life, just because said higher power becomes a fuck up at some point?
Maybe the christian in me is acting up, and I look at this and see discussion about intelligent design, creator responsibility, free will, definition of life. I refuse to reduce this game to just 'escapism bad'.
You can't go more literal in doing an escapism analogy. And be the other characters sentient or not, the main character would rather save his sister even on the account of everyone else like a lot of people would do in real life.

If the world was filled with automatons then the choice wouldn't have any weight. The setting exists to be burned down after you formed an emotional attachment with it.
 
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I still do not understand why people keep harping on the escapism angle. Is that the only thing they got out of the game? Is there a streamer or some jewtuber that keeps peddling this crap and people are only capable of talking about this?
You meet phantoms, you read journal entries and you talk with all the people in the canvas, and everything points towards them being sentient creatures.
Is being created by a higher power not entitle you to life, just because said higher power becomes a fuck up at some point?
Maybe the christian in me is acting up, and I look at this and see discussion about intelligent design, creator responsibility, free will, definition of life. I refuse to reduce this game to just 'escapism bad'.
people are really retarded
 
You can't go more literal in doing an escapism analogy. And be the other characters sentient or not, the main character would rather save his sister even on the account of everyone else like a lot of people would do in real life.

If the world was filled with automatons then the choice wouldn't have any weight. The setting exists to be burned down after you formed an emotional attachment with it.
Not just saving his sister. His mother (both real Verso and his) and himself.

Verso's soul piece was pretty clearly not wanting to keep the world up anymore. Its made pretty clear Verso didnt like painting. His deepish childhood fear was he would have to be a painter when he grew up. His father pushes him into it. Getting rid of that erased the world. He actually spares his father from killing the last piece of his son. This also explains why Renoir drags his feet in Act 3 instead of just immediately nuking.

Maelle also wasnt really painting before hand. "Your head was always in books".
 
Not just saving his sister. His mother (both real Verso and his) and himself.

Verso's soul piece was pretty clearly not wanting to keep the world up anymore. Its made pretty clear Verso didnt like painting. His deepish childhood fear was he would have to be a painter when he grew up. His father pushes him into it. Getting rid of that erased the world. He actually spares his father from killing the last piece of his son. This also explains why Renoir drags his feet in Act 3 instead of just immediately nuking.

Maelle also wasnt really painting before hand. "Your head was always in books".
That's what's funny about people saying Verso is some grand evil villain, or even dumber saying he did it because he wanted to die.
The entire point of his choice is that even though he's a simulacrum of Verso, enough of him is a perfect enough copy that he's willing to do the same thing Verso did, die for his family.
 
That's what's funny about people saying Verso is some grand evil villain, or even dumber saying he did it because he wanted to die.
The entire point of his choice is that even though he's a simulacrum of Verso, enough of him is a perfect enough copy that he's willing to do the same thing Verso did, die for his family.
His final words to Maelle are the same ones the real one said.
 
That's what's funny about people saying Verso is some grand evil villain, or even dumber saying he did it because he wanted to die.
The entire point of his choice is that even though he's a simulacrum of Verso, enough of him is a perfect enough copy that he's willing to do the same thing Verso did, die for his family.
Did he? They left enough to have him (real Verso) be alive for a sequel. Theres alot of sketchiness real Verso has.
 
Finished Act 2 and took a break. The battle system started get old for me pretty early in Act 2. Boss fights are good but mobs are only interesting to fight until you get the parry time down. After that every fight turned into a slog for me, but i'm picky about jrpg battle systems to begin with. Act 3 better deliver with the story though because so far it's been underwhelming.

Also, is the reason everyone loves Gustav in Act 3? If not he's just generic optimistic jrpg protagonist and I don't understand the love for him.
 
Finished Act 2 and took a break. The battle system started get old for me pretty early in Act 2. Boss fights are good but mobs are only interesting to fight until you get the parry time down. After that every fight turned into a slog for me, but i'm picky about jrpg battle systems to begin with. Act 3 better deliver with the story though because so far it's been underwhelming.

Also, is the reason everyone loves Gustav in Act 3? If not he's just generic optimistic jrpg protagonist and I don't understand the love for him.
He is basically Aerith but a guy.
 
No, he died in a fucking fire, Alicia barely survived because of him, there's nothing to suggest he ninja vanished after

Except that his mother who painted the reality of things (she is the strongest paintress after all). She painted a guy who would betray his family for his own needs. Except for the constant non stop messaging about how much Verso hated painting, and didnt like to paint. And had issues with his family over it. How he abandoned the painting for awhile even when he was around.

Except for the Grandis, a whole racial faction created by a more mature Verso after the Gestrals that are clearly an analogy for writers. With how they talk and act. Who gives you a "survive a fatal incident" chroma. Who talk about how they use fire to protect their culture and identity. Why did Verso create the Grandis?

Whose own father when making an metaphor for him is "he who guards truth with lies", and deception was a core identity of his that both his mother and father recognized.

Alicia is not a reliable source of anything. Her "vision" is him instantly evaporating into flame after "saving her". When the stuff didnt make sense in Act 1, that was a sign. When Alicia's story doesnt add up, that is also a sign.
 
Except that his mother who painted the reality of things (she is the strongest paintress after all). She painted a guy who would betray his family for his own needs. Except for the constant non stop messaging about how much Verso hated painting, and didnt like to paint. And had issues with his family over it. How he abandoned the painting for awhile even when he was around.

Except for the Grandis, a whole racial faction created by a more mature Verso after the Gestrals that are clearly an analogy for writers. With how they talk and act. Who gives you a "survive a fatal incident" chroma. Who talk about how they use fire to protect their culture and identity. Why did Verso create the Grandis?

Whose own father when making an metaphor for him is "he who guards truth with lies", and deception was a core identity of his that both his mother and father recognized.

Alicia is not a reliable source of anything. Her "vision" is him instantly evaporating into flame after "saving her". When the stuff didnt make sense in Act 1, that was a sign. When Alicia's story doesnt add up, that is also a sign.
The mother is peak BPD bitch that made every painted version of her children and husband fucked up. Dad and Clea seems way cooler with Verso so he was probably in the right, the implication was that he is a standard case of a person that was incredibly good in something that his family pushed him into, but personally outgrew it.
 
Except that his mother who painted the reality of things (she is the strongest paintress after all). She painted a guy who would betray his family for his own needs. Except for the constant non stop messaging about how much Verso hated painting, and didnt like to paint. And had issues with his family over it. How he abandoned the painting for awhile even when he was around.

Except for the Grandis, a whole racial faction created by a more mature Verso after the Gestrals that are clearly an analogy for writers. With how they talk and act. Who gives you a "survive a fatal incident" chroma. Who talk about how they use fire to protect their culture and identity. Why did Verso create the Grandis?

Whose own father when making an metaphor for him is "he who guards truth with lies", and deception was a core identity of his that both his mother and father recognized.

Alicia is not a reliable source of anything. Her "vision" is him instantly evaporating into flame after "saving her". When the stuff didnt make sense in Act 1, that was a sign. When Alicia's story doesnt add up, that is also a sign.
I don't think the family had too much issue with Verso not wanting to be a painter. Sure, his parents likely would have preferred he follow in their footsteps but it doesn't seem like they hated that he wanted to be a musician instead (one of the memories in the monolith shows Aline teaching Verso piano, after all).

As for the Grandis, I think they're just a child Versos' interpretation of adults: plain, pretty uniform in appearance and preferring to talk things out.

Renoir creating Visage and the Mask Keeper as representations of his son, I see more as a statement of Verso (as the player knows him) being a very emotionally guarded man; he's not open with his thoughts, only giving what he thinks is necessary (this is probably also due to being betrayed in the past and thinking he can't take the chance it won't happen again). The real Verso was likely the same, not out of any form of malice or fear, just out of being a naturally private person and/or a 'white lie' kind of guy.

Alicia being an unreliable narrator can be chalked up to PTSD and grief. Those things can fuck up how you see and remember events.
 
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