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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Isn't Jim, like, loaded? In a country like the one HW lives in you can make people very miserable with that kind of money. I'm kinda surprised that hasn't happened yet to be honest. Maybe that's the crips' plan?

kikewheels isn't silly, who did he just request a meeting with before going on his rampage?

PNP

 
Ah, you reminded me! We still have all of that to look forward to next year.
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Boy that's a real smart thing to do when you have a criminal procedure against you, of which good intent seems to be the key factor in deciding whether or not you get fucked by the law. Just put out online how you are looking to fuck with your opponent's naturalisation process with a smug smiley face. I'm sure he's not at all going to pull all of his "personal army" callouts and things like this into his suit as evidence of malicious intent if he can get away with it.
 
Boy that's a real smart thing to do when you have a criminal procedure against you, of which good intent seems to be the key factor in deciding whether or not you get fucked by the law. Just put out online how you are looking to fuck with your opponent's naturalisation process with a smug smiley face. I'm sure he's not at all going to pull all of his "personal army" callouts and things like this into his suit as evidence of malicious intent if he can get away with it.
Imagine if he loses but instead of putting him in a prison he's sentenced to house arrest in some filthy shack and it's ordered he cannot go online. Also the court assigns some barely literate hambeast to be his caretaker.
 
Imagine if he loses but instead of putting him in a prison he's sentenced to house arrest in some filthy shack and it's ordered he cannot go online. Also the court assigns some barely literate hambeast to be his caretaker.

Or he's so obviously disgusting at Jim's naturalization hearing they realize he's actually the one they should be deporting.
 
Dear Feeder and others have described Watkins as an angry, dangerous man yet he's showing incredible restraint in dealing with Gollum. If a pill-popping gremlin was fucking with my business, my family, even my nationality on a daily basis I'd have lashed out by now.

I can think of dozens of ways I'd retaliate without leaving a scratch on him, why sue him when you can send someone over to cut his internet, rip out the wiring on his chair and confiscate the pills he's addicted to.
 
Apparently 8kun was back up at 8kun.tw. But that was supposed to be a secret, only meant for the eyes and ears of Jim's loyal followers on his mailing list! How did that crafty Fredrick gets his paws on it??
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lol,they choose epag as .tw registrar, but they owned by tucows who ban 8kun previous. is nick lim or jim not do simple research ? suspended already
 
lol,they choose epag as .tw registrar, but they owned by tucows who ban 8kun previous. is nick lim or jim not do simple research ? suspended already
Haha, they're just "taking it one day at a time"! Wonder what tomorrow will bring? Wanna buy a shirt?
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I'm always so weirded out by Jim's videos. They're of a relatively high production quality, but they're also always just incoherent nonsense. It's a really creepy juxtaposition. If I didn't know that Jim was actually just the type of guy who'd make insane shit like this for giggles, I'd suspect his videos were some sort of steganography.
 
Haha, they're just "taking it one day at a time"! Wonder what tomorrow will bring? Wanna buy a shirt?
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I'm always so weirded out by Jim's videos. They're of a relatively high production quality, but they're also always just incoherent nonsense. It's a really creepy juxtaposition. If I didn't know that Jim was actually just the type of guy who'd make insane shit like this for giggles, I'd suspect his videos were some sort of steganography.

Autism often results in highly-developed skills alongside very undeveloped skills. Jim is just letting his :autism: show
 
Haha, they're just "taking it one day at a time"! Wonder what tomorrow will bring? Wanna buy a shirt?
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I'm always so weirded out by Jim's videos. They're of a relatively high production quality, but they're also always just incoherent nonsense. It's a really creepy juxtaposition. If I didn't know that Jim was actually just the type of guy who'd make insane shit like this for giggles, I'd suspect his videos were some sort of steganography.

Seems like they're milking the grift of being down. Either the beach ball is the biggest Internet badass who ever lived and literally can control the entire Internet, even the Russian bulletproof servers that host literal fucking CP, ransomware sites, and shit real law enforcement agencies are trying to shut down, or this is fake bullshit, or Jim is the dumbest man who ever lived.
 
i think 8kun.link is new domain,register today by todaynic (same registrar for dailystormer)

if jim or nick lim read,i make other suggest

8kun.* - iisp.com,internet.bs,easydns.com
8kun.al - no whois,cannot discover registrar
8kun.ai - https://zenaida.cate.ai/accounts/register/
8kun.pk - is react slow
8kun.bs - cost $500

for 8kun.* stay away from country tld,is not under icann

this maybe give time to find reliable domain
 
So should I start posting on 8kun or should I stay over at the 08chan bunker? I heard something about how 8kun isn't bringing every board back and might be wussing out and being more strict for fear of getting targeted again, but I also heard 08chan and ZeroNet could be a honeypot.
 
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So should I start posting on 8kun or should I stay over at the 08chan bunker? I heard something about how 8kun isn't bringing every board back and might be wussing out and being more strict for fear of getting targeted again, but I also heard 08chan and ZeroNet could be a honeypot.
I was sure all of the 08chan stuff was archived earlier in this thread, but I actually couldn't find it all when I went to go look. So for the sake of posterity I'll consolidate it all here.

But bottom line? Yeah, 08chan seemed dodgy as fuck back in August. When I joked that the new domain name was cia.gov earlier, it wasn't just a joke. The whole thing glows in the dark.

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And these articles. Sure, they're the Daily Beast, but still:
(https://archive.li/mtWQQ)

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Be careful on there, @ScatmansWorld. Stay safe frien :(
 
I was sure all of the 08chan stuff was archived earlier in this thread, but I actually couldn't find it all when I went to go look. So for the sake of posterity I'll consolidate it all here.

But bottom line? Yeah, 08chan seemed dodgy as fuck back in August. When I joked that the new domain name was cia.gov earlier, it wasn't just a joke. The whole thing glows in the dark.

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And these articles. Sure, they're the Daily Beast, but still:
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Be careful on there, @ScatmansWorld. Stay safe frien :(
I feel like it could also be the case that this was just a project made by a group of dedicated 8chan users, but eccentric individuals didn't know how p2p worked and didn't use TOR or a VPN which got their shit traced.🤔

Hell, they even say right on the front page to treat it like it were a BitTorrent session.
 
I feel like it could also be the case that this was just a project made by a group of dedicated 8chan users, but eccentric individuals didn't know how p2p worked and didn't use TOR or a VPN which got their shit traced.🤔

Hell, they even say right on the front page to treat it like it were a BitTorrent session.
That's also possible (and, taking my tin-foil hat off for a moment, probable). 08chan could be mostly safe after all. But all that stuff coming out in early August definitely made me shy about it. (EDIT: and for good reason, see the posts below this one.)

i think 8kun.link is new domain,register today by todaynic (same registrar for dailystormer)
Good catch! Can't use the link yet, but here's the whois:
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i think 8kun.link is new domain,register today by todaynic (same registrar for dailystormer)
Very interesting, it will be enlightening to see how they hold up.

I'm guessing they may give 8chan, which while populated by retards is actually a free speech site, shorter shrift than the 'Daily Stormer', which is just an extreme end of the Trump 2020 campaign intended to dogwhistle to particularly stupid racists to get them to vote for America's most Zionist President in 2020.
 
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