US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"

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Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Ron did a qna on vch.moe
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Also there will be board creation on 8kun, but this time boards will be reviewed by the 8kun staff.
 
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Also there will be board creation on 8kun, but this time boards will be reviewed by the 8kun staff.
I think its neat how @copypaste was recently saying 8chan err kun is dead in the water without board creation despite that being one of the main reasons he was claiming it's so dangerous. Yaknow I've got pages of notes on his inconsistencies. Maybe I should become an "aspiring journalist." Too bad there aren't any corporatist neolibs waiting to give me grant money for it...

Oh also I figured someone else would have posted this by now but our cp peddling white knight @L33TGUY is making the news! Wonder what Ctv would think if they knew his site hosted CSEM.

 
They should be told about that. Would make for a delicious headline.
Pfffft... as of they would care. Think about the massive amounts of grooming that goes on every day on major platforms. News media dont care though. Now three shootings connected to a Mongolian basketweaving forum THAT'S a story.

Pretty sure it's always been this way and that is how we get our skewed "history" from the ever biased reports of the powers that be.
 
I was likewise surprised at how difficult it was to create a fursona, or mascot, or furry character; whatever we want to call it. Obviously I had had exposure to the concept since I was very young, but never really was interested in making one, or in furry art in general. This changed when I decided I needed a new Twitter icon, but didn't want to just replace (´・ω・`) with a simple photo of myself. A friend of mine suggested a fursona, at first as a joke; but they are a furry, and soon we began seriously discussing the idea.

It appealed to me for a lot of reasons, but I also knew exactly what I was doing. Imageboard users, in general, hate furries. As an object of channer hate, it seemed only natural I take on more (harmless) attributes that draw their ire.

So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.

My eyes are really green, but not as brightly as the mascot's, obviously. Truly, I found fursona creation vexing, if you want an autistic way to force introspection, perhaps give it a try! (Or just get some CBT.)

The species was chosen as I believe raccoons represent the ideal hackers of the world, finding their way around problems, finding their way into places that they're not supposed to be, and discovering things they're not supposed to know. They have high intelligence and dexterity, having hands, and are also somewhat sociable, but not to an extreme. Also, I found a funny meme of a raccoon sitting in a chair, so that pretty much sealed the deal.

Lastly the body type. Clearly it would be absurd for him to be very tall, but we could get away with a bit more height, so 4'1". And weight? Well, to make him very thin would make that an aspiration at some level, would it not? But that's not something I aspire to; in reality, being fat hides deformities and makes me look older; in the world of the raccoons, being fat means they live a well optimized live if you ask me. A thin raccoon probably isn't the smartest, the fat ones know all the tricks.

And that was it really. My friend advised me to go on FA and find someone with open commissions with an art style I liked; I did so and paid with Fiverr credits I got sent as a gift last year. Yes, they also draw some weird porn, but who in the world of furry art doesn't? That's where the big bucks are, is it not? So I can't fault the artist, can I?

The philosophy of fursonas is enough for several term papers, but I'll stop there. (I know my image for Hiroyuki is top cringe, I tried every other way I could think of of getting his attention, and as you all know, the respect of people like @HOMO FOR LIFE is not really important to me, so making such an image on the off chance it will work was well worth it.)

That is very interesting, but could you elaborate on some other questions too?

I have noticed that a fair number of users here seem to be concerned that you will eventually turn on Kiwi Farms too, once it stops being useful to you. Is that concern justified?

Since your angle of attack to deplatform 8chan (writing complaints and getting other people to write complaints to hosting companies and domain registrars) is very similar to what forced Kiwi Farms to change datacenters a few months ago: Were you perhaps already involved with that?

And last but not least: Rumor has it that your harem of philippine ladyboys has turned against you and is now holding you hostage at gunpoint. Is there any truth to that?
 
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That is very interesting, but could you elaborate on some other questions too?

I have noticed that a fair number of users here seem to be concerned that you will eventually turn on Kiwi Farms too, once it stops being useful to you. Is that concern justified?

Since your angle of attack to deplatform 8chan (writing complaints and getting other people to write complaints to hosting companies and domain registrars) is very similar to what forced Kiwi Farms to change datacenters a few months ago: Were you perhaps already involved with that?

And last but not least: Rumor has it that your harem of philippine ladyboys has turned against you and is now holding you hostage at gunpoint. Is there any truth to that?
That is another thing. I've heard him refer to Kiwi Farms as "basically a stalker forum" in interviews. Ok so if this site is a stalker forum basically and he is an active member basically does that mean that he is a stalker basically? Commutative property or something I dunno I suck at maths.
 
That is another thing. I've heard him refer to Kiwi Farms as "basically a stalker forum" in interviews. Ok so if this site is a stalker forum basically and he is an active member basically does that mean that he is a stalker basically? Commutative property or something I dunno I suck at maths.

He's certainly stalking the pig farmer.
 
I have noticed that a fair number of users here seem to be concerned that you will eventually turn on Kiwi Farms too, once it stops being useful to you. Is that concern justified?

He's a nihilistic clout chaser who sold out what little he had in the way of principles for a bit of media attention. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.
 
Oh also I figured someone else would have posted this by now but our cp peddling white knight @L33TGUY is making the news! Wonder what Ctv would think if they knew his site hosted CSEM.

Damn, poor @L33TGUY. The article is supposed to be about him, but they only spend a single section talking about him and his valiant quest to "prevent the next mass shooter" before they get back to talking about Brennan vs Watkins, Brennan vs Ron, Brennan's entire life story, what Brennan thinks of 8kun still being up, what Brennan thinks of QAnon, Brennan this, Brennan that...

Here's an archived version for posterity:

Some of the newer/more interesting tidbits:

“I started getting interested in 8chan in 2014 during the Gamergate controversy, I was interested in it as a phenomenon,” L33T GUY told CTVNews.ca in a telephone interview.
It's almost not a news article until they've mentioned it, right?

Five months later after the El Paso shooting, L33T GUY said he reached out to Brennan,
So L33TGUY was the one who got in touch with Brennan first? Interesting.

“We email their abuse department, explain that there have been terrorist manifestos on 8chan and list providers who have denied them service,” L33T GUY said, adding “we’re using 100 per cent legal methods” to take the site down.
This is also an interesting thing to stress. 🤔

“8chan is known for rampant neo-Nazism, swastikas all over the boards, holocaust denialism, this isn’t going to change,” L33T GUY said, explaining that his message to the service providers is simple: “you can be on the right or wrong side of this.”
✓ Shoehorned Gamergate mention
✓ "We're on the right side of history!"

“I am going to keep reporting on 8chan until they either find a way to stay online that is totally impervious to my reports, or they give up,” Brennan said.
Or you could do something else with your precious time?

For now, 8chan – now under its new moniker 8kun - remains online.
Yep! :heart-full:
 
Damn, poor @L33TGUY. The article is supposed to be about him, but they only spend a single section talking about him and his valiant quest to "prevent the next mass shooter" before they get back to talking about Brennan vs Watkins, Brennan vs Ron, Brennan's entire life story, what Brennan thinks of 8kun still being up, what Brennan thinks of QAnon, Brennan this, Brennan that...

The bowling ball shaped midget is, you have to admit, a lot more interesting than that tard.

This is interesting. Note Freddit's hatred of fundamental First Amendment jurisprudence:

“Watkins looks at the law differently than I do,” Brennan explained, alleging that Watkin's "favourite case" is Brandenburg versus Ohio, which is a Supreme Court ruling that "says basically that you need to be a direct, imminent threat for your speech to be illegal.”

Brennan said that Watkins interprets that case “very strictly,” unlike himself, who was “much more loose” about its implementation when he was 8chan’s administrator.

Any pro First Amendment person knows and cherishes this case.
 
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This is interesting. Note Freddit's hatred of fundamental First Amendment jurisprudence:
“Watkins looks at the law differently than I do,” Brennan explained, alleging that Watkin's "favourite case" is Brandenburg versus Ohio, which is a Supreme Court ruling that "says basically that you need to be a direct, imminent threat for your speech to be illegal.”

Brennan said that Watkins interprets that case “very strictly,” unlike himself, who was “much more loose” about its implementation when he was 8chan’s administrator.
Any pro First Amendment person knows and cherishes this case.
Gotta love Brennan's dishonesty. He promoted revenge porn, he opposed Jim's decision to get rid of the /hebe/ board.

He only did anything about /baph/- a community which would, as he is now trying to do, attempt to kill people- because credit card details were being posted on there.
 
Damn, poor @L33TGUY. The article is supposed to be about him, but they only spend a single section talking about him and his valiant quest to "prevent the next mass shooter" before they get back to talking about Brennan vs Watkins, Brennan vs Ron, Brennan's entire life story, what Brennan thinks of 8kun still being up, what Brennan thinks of QAnon, Brennan this, Brennan that...

That nobody’s involvement in this whole drama is 100% a desperate cry for attention and e-fame. The best thing to do is purposely avoid mentioning him, because nothing causes more pain to those types of people than being left out of the picture.
 
Damn, poor @L33TGUY. The article is supposed to be about him, but they only spend a single section talking about him and his valiant quest to "prevent the next mass shooter" before they get back to talking about Brennan vs Watkins, Brennan vs Ron, Brennan's entire life story, what Brennan thinks of 8kun still being up, what Brennan thinks of QAnon, Brennan this, Brennan that...
Canadian, eh? That figures.
 
Seen HW has been having a go at BitChute on Twitter for a while to day.
Haha, and apparently Black Pigeon Speaks has basically challenged him to a duel after he called him a misogynist, racist and anti-semite (go figure). What's funny is he basically told Ethan Ralph on Twitter that he kind of sensationalized a bit for clicks/to get published. Lol what a noob move, "journalists" aren't supposed to admit on Twitter that they don't really believe in what they say.

Like I said, he's definitely playing both sides. He has started trying to cozy up to Ralph, saw him like one of his tweets today or yesterday and looks like he'll possibly be doing the Killstream talking to Felix the Pigeon.

Seriously though, @copypaste you really need to work on your transparency game. You never answered my question as to when it was you stopped being a "build the wall" chanting, MAGA hat wearing member of the Goldwater. I mean, you call them fake news, but you also did multiple live streams and wrote an article for them. You really need to pick a lane, lil bro.
 

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Haha, and apparently Black Pigeon Speaks has basically challenged him to a duel after he called him a misogynist, racist and anti-semite (go figure). What's funny is he basically told Ethan Ralph on Twitter that he kind of sensationalized a bit for clicks/to get published. Lol what a noob move, "journalists" aren't supposed to admit on Twitter that they don't really believe in what they say.

Like I said, he's definitely playing both sides. He has started trying to cozy up to Ralph, saw him like one of his tweets today or yesterday and looks like he'll possibly be doing the Killstream talking to Felix the Pigeon.

Seriously though, @copypaste you really need to work on your transparency game. You never answered my question as to when it was you stopped being a "build the wall" chanting, MAGA hat wearing member of the Goldwater. I mean, you call them fake news, but you also did multiple live streams and wrote an article for them. You really need to pick a lane, lil bro.

Hotwheels did pick a lane: Journalist, a profession that has a lower public opinion than Congress and the police. His lane is censorious faggot looking for attention.

Listen up, people listen to thots because they have breasts and are attractive. You're a disgusting fucking gremlin who threw all his principles under the bus because you were asshurt. Nobody in the media fucking likes you. You're a sideshow circus attraction to them, dumb-fuck. You published a piece on THE DAILY STORMER you fucking mongoloid. You think they respect you, take you seriously, even if you get everything you want? You're a joke. The second, the very fucking second your ass doesn't bring them nickles and dimes, they're going to put a pillow over your face and sing you a lullaby then parade your corpse around as a Nazi Sympathizer so they can get a few more pennies. And no one will stop them because you're a back stabbing little bitch with your principles.

Don't believe me? Barack Obama: Conservative is now in vogue. You're so stupid.

I'll answer @Hawaiian Lunchmeat's question for you, because the answer is fucking obvious. He stopped being one when it was convenient. Why people on this website even treat you with a modicum of respect blows my fucking mind. You're a whore. That's all you are and all you are worth. Looking to suck the next cock for that little bit of crack.

But I'll be charitable and give you some advice: Stop. You're not good at this. You are terrible at it and it is cringe inducing to watch. Your pathetic A-Logging of another terrible human being was hysterical, I'll give you that. But now this is getting painful to watch. Or you know, keep it going. Some people like watching getting a cripple beaten to death in real time, figuratively. And if you do keep it up with Watkins, you're an unsympathetic person in a third world shithole where bribery and corruption are common along with a genuine piece of shit with time and money on his hands as an enemy. Who also happens to own a pig farm. And you did all this to get in with a media class who doesn't like you and is simply waiting for the day to turn on you.

Real A-Class decision making sport.
 
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Your pathetic A-Logging of another terrible human being was hysterical, I'll give you that. But now this is getting painful to watch. Or you know, keep it going. Some people like watching getting a cripple beaten to death in real time, figuratively. And if you do keep it up with Watkins, you're an unsympathetic person in a third world shithole where bribery and corruption are common along with a genuine piece of shit with time and money on his hands as an enemy. Who also happens to own a pig farm.
Honestly, the lesson that I've taken from Brennan's present behaviour is that Jim Watkins, while certainly an unsympathetic figure in many ways, probably erred more in trusting Brennan than in anything else.

With how frequently and blatantly he lies about his own actions, one can assume that his reporting to Watkins on things like Infinity Next was more than a little skewed to promote himself at the expense of anyone else.
 
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