US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"

  • 🔧 At about Midnight EST I am going to completely fuck up the site trying to fix something.

Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
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It's like a snowman. But made of poor diet and lack of exercise. But still just as large.
 
I was going through some documents when I rediscovered another old copypasta that used to be spammed in meta threads. It detailed almost every Hotwheels-related scandal on 8chan up to that point, which was mid-2016 I think.


I did not abuse the trust of my users,

I did not remove /fem/ from the boardlist just because I didn't like it,

I did not remove other boards from the boardlist for proxyspamming when /int/ (owned by my IRC "friend") did the exact same thing and was left untouched,

I did not encourage shitposting on /meta/ and then abandon it because of too much shitposting,

I did not promise to never delete non-spam threads on /operate/ and then delete them anyway just because they criticize me,

I did not ignore /operate/ threads with valid questions for months even though their OPs took the effort to bump them every single day,

I did not grow so distant from /operate/ and my core userbase as a whole that I thought it was appropriate to dismiss a huge issue with some short IRC log (which I lied in) of me explaining the situation to one of my cocksuckers, instead of writing up a proper explanation, and then completely ignored the thread afterwards,

I did not threaten Doorways into giving away /pol/

I did not transfer ownership of /sp/ (twice) just because someone sucked my cock in IRC

I did not abandon the "first come, first serve" board claim policy so I could redistribute the top boards to my IRC friends,

I did not create a secret, password-locked IRC channel for me and my non-reimbursed staff (even though the only 8chan glob job was supposed to be removing CP) a few months after criticizing moot for having a secret password-locked IRC channel,

I did not give IRC operator powers to two (2) trannies I just happened to be gr8 friends with,

I did not remove a vol's (who sucked up to me much less than all the other vols did) global powers for admitting to participating in a raid, and later admitted in participating in a raid myself

I did not try to change the site appearance to be as user friendly to redditors as possible, based on a review made by an applefag redditor, posted on 8chan as a joke,

I did not advertise 8chan on reddit and pander to redditors and newfags to the best of my ability

I did not pathetically attention-whore on twitter

I did not dismiss all my critics on /operate/ as simply trolls (and now shills), just like halfchan and reddit had done in the past

I did not publicly dismiss anyone who doubted the validity of Nick Denton's "leaks" as shills, and assured everyone that they are completely real, even though they turned out to be fake and completely made up shortly afterwards

I did not create a private ad on /b/ endorsing a honeypot VPN

I did not have one of my IRC "friends" delete a post with dirty info on an arstechnica journalist just so arstechnica would publish a better article on me

I did not defraud a startup funding website by seeking donations for 8chan after I'd already sold 8chan

I did not get more than $15,000 from a charity appeal that misled people into thinking I had lost my life savings when I hadn't

I did not lie to the New York Times about breaking my leg, then take it back and say it was just a sprain when I had no evidence to give them

I did not lie that the New York Police Department left me to freeze to death in a snowstorm when police records show that no such thing ever happened

I did not lie about suffering from exposure just to get sympathy and promote my website

and I did not steal /pol/ from doorways and hand over control of it to my Jewish IRC friends who bribed me!

I did not raise thousands of dollars to invest in a 100% autist with no tech ability to build a replacement for the site's eventuality

I did not let said autist run wild on /v/ where he got triggered by everyone calling him and his project gay and then let him shut down /v/ for the day without telling the BO

I did not allow 8chan’s financial and technical stability to deteriorate because I had grown disillusioned with the site and wanted to work on an emoji language instead

I did not waste thousands of dollars and months of everyone's time just to come up empty handed and sell the site to Jim Watkins leaving him and his son to fix all of my mistakes within weeks

Anyone who says otherwise is a shill, doesn't deserve a reply and should just be ignored! :^)
 
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Symptoms of overeating + extreme drug use = I have corona virus...

Ok..?

He has gone full on exceptional. Is he seriously admitting that he wakes up every day and needs to stuff his face with food and jam a needle into himself? Why would you ever tell people this, especially after running 8chan for a while?

What a drama queen, if he had Corona, he would be one of those people in the ICU with the endless underlying health issues he has.
 
He has gone full on exceptional. Is he seriously admitting that he wakes up every day and needs to stuff his face with food and jam a needle into himself? Why would you ever tell people this, especially after running 8chan for a while?

What a drama queen, if he had Corona, he would be one of those people in the ICU with the endless underlying health issues he has.

What the hell happened to him? I look back on his Al Jazeera appearance and see a guy who seemed so well adjusted mentally. I don't understand how he's become so fucked in the head.
 
What the hell happened to him? I look back on his Al Jazeera appearance and see a guy who seemed so well adjusted mentally. I don't understand how he's become so fucked in the head.

I think he's always been like this but now the cracks are starting to show more. It sounds bad but a lot of disabled people are just neurotic assholes and they know that being disabled will make a most people hesitate before calling them out for it. They love to act like dicks and push boundaries. Even I sometimes feel a small twinge of guilt when I make fun of him or think what he's doing is bullshit. He's clearly always been sneaky and conniving. That will mess with someone's mental state over time. I also think he's convinced himself that he's so intelligent that he can talk his way out of anything.

Unfortunately for him, he pissed off the groups of people that were willing to keep letting him slide.
 
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