US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
I don't want 8chan to come back. Mostly for personal reasons. I think its admins are terrible incompetent people. I have a vendetta with them. I'm not against other imageboards, only ones they run with names like 8chan. Honest enough?

That's pretty fucking disgusting if he's willing to fuck over an outlet of expression like 8chan because he has a personal beef with the guy who owns it. There was a lot more going on on that site than just /pol/ for fuck's sake.

Cuckwheels' obsession with ranting about this on Twitter, especially after that documentary, is making him look like a lunatic. I thought he was just a traitorous faggot at first but over time he just seems unhinged.

The only comparison that comes to mind is the "man hollers at cloud" meme. I'd go so far as to say he'd be objectively better off if he stayed the hell away from this shit all together.
 
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edit: Zare.com only follows elon musk and 21 other big tech accounts. Zare is not following HW.
 

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Damn that 8kun trailer looks like a Qboomer wet dream, the libertarian snake and the storm in the background (the Q prophecy is often called The Storm) is really the icing on the crazy cake. Well I guess the cripple was right about old 8chan being essentially dead and what will rise from its ashes is a Qanon-centered site, how disappointing. Seeing all those boomers posting shitty boomer memes in the replies to the tweet actually made me mad at the internet, its just amazing how 8chan went through such a demographic transformation in such a short amount of time.

Do you think Jim personally believes in the whole Q insanity, or is he hoping to profit off the Qult? I think its the latter, I heard Jim had been trying to make 8chan profitable for years, and these gullible old farts could be his lucky break. They're probably too stupid to install an ad blocker, so I could see Jim making advertising and product placement deals with companies making Qanon-related merchandise, maybe make a "Q premium" service where you pay for early access to Qanon's latest posts.
 
Looks like it will be .NET
hw is trying to reach out to sleepinggiants and going after the bunker boards now.
 

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hw is trying to reach out to sleepinggiants and going after the bunker boards now.

Why the fuck would this crippled cunt be going after a fucking TV/vidya imageboard? That's literally all it is. Throw the dwarf down the well!


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Why the fuck would this crippled cunt be going after a fucking TV/vidya imageboard? That's literally all it is. Throw the dwarf down the well!


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Jim Watkins is loosely attached so fucking of course he his.

I don't like 8chan and I'm pretty forgiving of HW's antics but now he's just being a bitch.
 
Why the fuck would this crippled cunt be going after a fucking TV/vidya imageboard? That's literally all it is. Throw the dwarf down the well!
Hw said that image boards need to decentralize or die.
8chan was to big and a single point of failure.
So now they are decentralized and working together with this webring thing.
Hw should be happy right?
Nope. Now he starts attacking them individually. Killing 8chan isn't enough. They all must die.

Apparently the money Mark makes from Jim is what is keeping him out of a group home. Yes your right. vch.moe doesn't even have a /pol/. Its TV, Vidya, Starwars, and fitness. They bother no one.
 

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Hw should be happy right?
Nope. Now he starts attacking them individually. Killing 8chan isn't enough. They all must die.

Apparently the money Mark makes from Jim is what is keeping him out of a group home. Yes your right. vch.moe doesn't even have a /pol/. Its TV, Vidya, Starwars, and fitness. They bother no one.
Wow, the crippled pedophile really isn't mincing his words at this point is he?

He's really committed to the belief that everyone, no matter who they are, should be beholden to the generosity and under the total control of meddling neurotic paranoids. Whether that be a Sheldon Adelson to Trump, a Jonathan Greenblatt for the rest of America, or Mark's own parents in his case.
 
Creepy old Jim is driving around the cali fires in his lincoln and he says it is going online next week?

He had to show the stream the 2 white boxes in the back that i guess could be some sort of rackmount equipment.
He made another longer stream talking about music and all the states he has recently been to.
Seems to be up to something. Or just off his rocker wondering around the country aimlessly.
 

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Creepy old Jim is driving around the cali fires in his lincoln and he says it is going online next week?

He had to show the stream the 2 white boxes in the back that i guess could be some sort of rackmount equipment.
He made another longer stream talking about music and all the states he has recently been to.
Seems to be up to something. Or just off his rocker wondering around the country aimlessly.

I'm undecided if he's just trying too hard to pander to Christian boomers or if he actually is this nutty. I guess we'll see soon if he has enough computer this time.
 
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