US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"

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Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
the two situations I can see are
a) pillbug went batshit crazy and will literally set himself on fire if he thinks it will hurt Other Guy
b) pillbug has been told by his new NWO handlers that they'll help him get new digs after going scorched earth in the Philippines (implying either the handlers or the Philippines give any fucks about some rando mutant sped's ramblings)
 
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One more nostalgia post. These two images are from the so-called “September Happening” prophecy that sent /pol/ into a state of delusion and paranoia for the entire first half of 2015. Supposedly it had something to do with a Jewish holiday about a blood moon or a shemitah or whatever that would result in a worldwide economic collapse in September 2015. /pol/tards circlejerked and fantasized for months about what they thought was going to be a very real armaggedon, you could tell they REALLY wanted it to happen. Every other thread would eventually get derailed by happeningfags and anti-happeningfags.

Of course when September finally came and nothing happened, the believers kept pushing the official doomsday date further and further back in the month while desperately checking economic trackers and charts until October came along. After that everyone pretended that they never believed in the prophecy and they were just trolling, or tried to damage control by saying that the prophecy had really been fulfilled, but that it wasn’t as extreme as they originally thought. In a way its very similar to the whole QAnon thing going on now. The lesson to be learned from this is don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
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I’m pretty sure I have more post collages and infographics about the September Happening but sadly they’re on my old computer and I was stupid enough to forget to back up my files before it crapped out. It still works, but it just sits on the Windows 7 startup screen forever. I really wish I could recover those files.
 
I’m pretty sure I have more post collages and infographics about the September Happening but sadly they’re on my old computer and I was stupid enough to forget to back up my files before it crapped out. It still works, but it just sits on the Windows 7 startup screen forever. I really wish I could recover those files.
If you hold down F8 while it boots can you get into safe mode?

If you get some nerd you know to give you a Linux liveCD/USB, can you access the drive?

Alternatively it may be possible to swap the drive out.
 
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them out, especially Jump's. I really hope one of them works cause I saved a ton of stuff on that drive. Of course there's no guarantee they'll work since the computer stopped working correctly like 2 years ago.

I can post more old 8chan stuff if people are interested.
 
Another Update yay
Apparently our friend here took down 8kun with a little help
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Apparently Jim made a company that made our cripple friend offended apparently which may explain his crusade
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Freddit starts talking about getting creative
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Some literal who blows his ego as always
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And here he mentions a well known cow in that reporting him is useless
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Frederik is going in hard on a rich man in a poor country, while having a medical condition that could explain away all sorts of "natural deaths." You know how people talk about "suicide by cop"? This maybe a the first "suicide by alog."


EDIT: Continued bear poking on twitter.
 

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if karma is truly the fair mistress that many present her to be, then wheelchair warrior here is gonna get one hell of a surprise.

I don't know when it will happen, but I know that this irredeemable piece of shit is one of the best examples of hubris I've seen in a long, long time, and when he gets his comeuppance nobody will give a fuck how many tears this little faggot sheds.

Which brings to mind the question, isn't Watkins still stateside? Because I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the reason we haven't seen any kind of retaliation yet would have something to do with that.
 
Frederik is going in hard on a rich man in a poor country, while having a medical condition that could explain away all sorts of "natural deaths." You know how people talk about "suicide by cop"? This maybe a the first "suicide by alog."


EDIT: Continued bear poking on twitter.

You know that crazy balding conservative from the UK that spends his entire existence trying to undermine KF?

Brennan is basically that fellow for the 8Chan sites.
 
He desperately wants to be recognized by the mainstream so fucking bad. Problem is nobody gives a flying fuck about him and knows he made 8chan. He apparently thinks these people will forgive him for that even though he's being 'contrite' and 'trying to stop the new 8chan'.

They don't give a fuck. He'll always be known as the guy who started the 'worst website on the internet' that got too bad for even him. What he's doing now is utterly pointless. He will forever be known as the founder of 8chan.
 
They don't give a fuck. He'll always be known as the guy who started the 'worst website on the internet' that got too bad for even him. What he's doing now is utterly pointless. He will forever be known as the founder of 8chan.

Also nobody likes a traitor, not even the people who benefit from his betrayal.
 
Which brings to mind the question, isn't Watkins still stateside? Because I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the reason we haven't seen any kind of retaliation yet would have something to do with that.
Ya still posting creepy videos. He is in California as of the last one posted yesterday.
 
Also nobody likes a traitor, not even the people who benefit from his betrayal.

There's a reason Dante wrote betrayers in the ninth circle of hell. This little fuckface betrayed his principles for a little bit of clout. Fucking pathetic.
 
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