US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
What is the Q grift? Has Q asked for/stolen money? Why does anyone care what washed up boomers do or post?

As far as I know Q is just a larp boomers are infatuated with-its silly and stupid but I want to know what the grift is.
It's fundamentally not that different from the MAGA LARP in general. Regular MAGAtards believe that Trump intends to, is building, or has in fact built new wall. QTards believe that Trump intends to, is imprisoning, or has in fact already imprisoned and possibly executed 'deep staters'.

It's extremely stupid, but the people who make money off it with YouTube shows and tshirts and all that garbage are fundamentally no different from any other sort of online conservative grifter.

NeonRevolt, one of the big online QMong herders, put out a piece the other day analyzing [Breenan]'s issues and the whole saga. It's actually very good. Not 100% accurate and there's some cringe stuff there, but it's basically correct.
https://archive.ph/psAeC

Likely this goes back to his dad abandoning him so he could stay with the chick he hired as live-in nurse.
I wish we knew a bit more about the woman [Brennan] married. Was he using his home help aides as a dating pool? A dog goes back to its vomit.
 
It's fundamentally not that different from the MAGA LARP in general. Regular MAGAtards believe that Trump intends to, is building, or has in fact built new wall. QTards believe that Trump intends to, is imprisoning, or has in fact already imprisoned and possibly executed 'deep staters'.

It's extremely stupid, but the people who make money off it with YouTube shows and tshirts and all that garbage are fundamentally no different from any other sort of online conservative grifter.

NeonRevolt, one of the big online QMong herders, put out a piece the other day analyzing [Breenan]'s issues and the whole saga. It's actually very good. Not 100% accurate and there's some cringe stuff there, but it's basically correct.
https://archive.ph/psAeC


I wish we knew a bit more about the woman [Brennan] married. Was he using his home help aides as a dating pool? A dog goes back to its vomit.

I don't think anyone actually believes he's secretly holding treason trials for the deep state. More that going along with the LARP signals their desire for that to happen and that we are in a situation where it needs to happen. It's the same deal with Alex Jones. Fake but accurate. Fake in that there are obviously not inter dimensional aliens living underground in SF, but accurate in that the elites are filled with sick child fuckers and many of them engage in bizarre occult rituals and are all around degenerate scum etc.

I mean Trump himself was memed into office, so you can't hold it against them for trying to meme other shit they want into reality.
 
It's extremely stupid, but the people who make money off it with YouTube shows and tshirts and all that garbage are fundamentally no different from any other sort of online conservative grifter.

I wish we knew a bit more about the woman [Brennan] married. Was he using his home help aides as a dating pool? A dog goes back to its vomit.
Really? Frederick's probably pissed off he didn't monetize the Q larp first.

"Wife". Come on now, you know what's that's about. The Philippines has always been a sex tourist destination. I wonder how working girls dealt with clients that disgust them-I'd rather collect cans if it came down to that.
 
I don't think anyone actually believes he's secretly holding treason trials for the deep state. More that going along with the LARP signals their desire for that to happen and that we are in a situation where it needs to happen. It's the same deal with Alex Jones.
Nah, it's much worse than that. These people grew up on a diet of THIN BLUE LINE and RESPECT THE TROOPS pap. They genuinely believe that the NSA- one of the most evil organizations in the US government, despite the fact that they don't actually burn down churches themselves like the FBI does- are actually on the side of the American people and some nebulous conception of the constitution. They really do believe these things.

My read on this is that it is an operation being directed by the most cynical elements who have latched on to the Trump phenomenon to keep these people believing that Trump actually intended to build a wall (even though he hasn't). That he actually intended to negate the ridiculous 'birthright citizenship' ruling that is practically unique in the world (even though he hasn't even tried). That he actually intended to deport more illegals than Obama (even though he has failed to do achieve even that). And that he is in fact taking actions to do this. Because without that, a lot more of these people would lash out, support genuine outsiders, probably do a few mass shootings. Bad for business. Bad for the Chamber of Commerce, bad for the sort of people who have Netanyahu sleep in their childhood bed.

Really? Frederick's probably pissed off he didn't monetize the Q larp first.

"Wife". Come on now, you know what's that's about. The Philippines has always been a sex tourist destination. I wonder how working girls dealt with clients that disgust them-I'd rather collect cans if it came down to that.
I guess it depends on your options. Is local husbando better off financially? Probably not. Is he less likely to beat you? Uh.. probably not. All a matter of perspective.

Incidentally, I think that NeonRevolt guy just had his Twitter account suspended again. He's as good as called for Hillary Clinton to be killed before without consequence, but stand up for freedom of speech against a filthy pedophile just once... shows where the power is.
 
HW really needs to cool it with shitposting on Twitter. Twitter isn't /pol, and his public escalations can easily be construed as supporting/encouraging criminal actions. 1980's 'hackers' were imprisioned (in the US) for much less than his actions. Also, across state lines with a profit motive (fund my patreon) can drift into RICO territory.

We saw his reaction to one lolsuit. A well-prepared criminal indictment or lawsuit can easily rock his world.
 
Are you kidding? Fred loves being stalked-the day we stopped paying attention is the day he an heros for good.
Really? Frederick's probably pissed off he didn't monetize the Q larp first.

"Wife". Come on now, you know what's that's about. The Philippines has always been a sex tourist destination. I wonder how working girls dealt with clients that disgust them-I'd rather collect cans if it came down to that.
Not for lack of trying. In the Qanon Anonymous podcast he laughably claims the reason why he falsified "evidence" of Q's existence is because he thought Jim was beginning to buy the bull due to senility. Ok, so if you had an elderly loved one with dementia who started babbling about alien abductions, would the first thing that comes to your mind to help them come to their senses be orchestrating fake alien encounters to snap them out of it? @copypaste you really need to try harder to make your intent less transparent or at the very least answer consistently. Is it the oxys? I bet it's the oxys...

Pic related, it's Fred's post about his "mysterious encounter" with a 3d printed Q that showed up in his apartment. He claims to have asked security how someone got in his apartment but "the security tapes mysteriously disappeared." Holy shitballs, lie some more little one...

@Orange Rhymer my fave part about his postings is when he tries to play both sides. He claims Jim and Ron are antisemitic for the King of the Shekels thing at 8ch. Then he talks about how Jim is "just after shekels." Travis View of the Q podcast just silently let his cashcow moo about how it's ok to not want gay people to be allowed to be married for fundamentalist reasons. He also recently bragged about how he "has a bet" with weev about whether 4chan will exist in x amount of years. i swear, I'd love to hear Fred, Josh and Mr O'Shaughnessy rap on Ralph Retort one day, but he'd never agree at this point.
 

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HW really needs to cool it with shitposting on Twitter.
Yeah, he really fucking does. Give me a second to catch my breath with all this archiving, Fredrick! Damn!

First up, an appetizer: look's like our boy Hotwheels is jonesing for more attention already.
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Next up, we have some deep lore! Fredrick tells the story of the time Jim took him barhopping. Somehow the night devolves into Fredrick carrying a bucket of his own piss while getting a first hand look at Jim's penis being worked by a prostitute. :story:
(EDIT: on second thought I'm pretty sure I read that tweet wrong, to be fair! Still funny.)
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Based Debby presses 'X' on Fredrick's little story, and Fredrick had no money for condoms so didn't get to have any prostitute fun time for himself.
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Not content on being (maybe?) involved in that one lolsuit against the Englisbee's, Fredrick starts threatening to dox and start a lawsuit against NeonRevolt, apparently for writing the article about him that @3119967d0c linked.
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But Fredrick has great respect for our Dear Leader, at least. :heart-full:
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Respect... or maybe despite what he's said about KF he is smart enough to know after pissing off Anon and a large enough portion of the Farms maybe it's best to attempt to stay in good graces.


BTW, another example of his issues with telling the truth. I've been checking off and on and apart from a bit of downtime 8kun has mostly been up on both clearnet and TOR. Read-only for the most part which is a flop sure, but after months of saying it would never come online he's now resorting to claiming it's been down most of the time since launch?


Sad part is that most media sources don't care about the truth anyway so they'll just report what he has to say. Equally laughable, he now wants to possibly sue the NeonRevolt guy? Lol, so the guy who has been claiming that his former friend Mark is connected to the Halle shooting and has made up tons of stuff about Jim is suddenly concerned about defamation. Wowie zowie, this show keeps getting better and better. Can't wait for the season cliffhanger...
 
Yeah, he really fucking does. Give me a second to catch my breath with all this archiving, Fredrick! Damn!

First up, an appetizer: look's like our boy Hotwheels is jonesing for more attention already.

This reminds me of those bitches who decide sex was nonconsensual months or even years later and start screaming rape. What a fucking little bitch. What a nasty little homunculus.

Sad part is that most media sources don't care about the truth anyway so they'll just report what he has to say.

They're quite used to republishing the historical revisionist tales of liars at this point.
 
Look like 8kun/nick lim have discovered russian "bulletproof" provider. they are use service of Alexandrovich Volosovik. the ip they are announce (185.254.121.0/24) is what we call "bogon" because it is not allocate to anyone.

so hotwheel have to do a little more than read whois for discover host this time. he can complain to upstream or dc (if he can find), but they will not care probably.

you can read some about Volosovik here: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/07/meet-the-worlds-biggest-bulletproof-hoster/
 
HW really needs to cool it with shitposting on Twitter. Twitter isn't /pol, and his public escalations can easily be construed as supporting/encouraging criminal actions. 1980's 'hackers' were imprisioned (in the US) for much less than his actions. Also, across state lines with a profit motive (fund my patreon) can drift into RICO territory.

We saw his reaction to one lolsuit. A well-prepared criminal indictment or lawsuit can easily rock his world.

It's not RICO because it's pretty much never RICO.
 
It's not RICO because it's pretty much never RICO.
It's never RICO if it's organized crime that the US government approves of (i.e., [Brennan] spreading 'child modelling' pictures, or attempting to attack a website over political free speech).

Look like 8kun/nick lim have discovered russian "bulletproof" provider. they are use service of Alexandrovich Volosovik. the ip they are announce (185.254.121.0/24) is what we call "bogon" because it is not allocate to anyone.

so hotwheel have to do a little more than read whois for discover host this time. he can complain to upstream or dc (if he can find), but they will not care probably.

you can read some about Volosovik here: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/07/meet-the-worlds-biggest-bulletproof-hoster/
Of course Pedowheels doesn't provide any evidence of this, because he's too crippled to copy and paste images that don't feature 12 year olds in transparent bikinis, but that IP is apparently being routed by a Medialand router. Unfortunate that 8chan is having to rely on these higher-cost, higher-quality hosters. Freedom of speech is dead everywhere else.

It should be noted that Krebs is an unreliable reporter, he hates anyone who conducts network scanning unless they're some private NSA type operation paid for by the Atlantic Council.

Is there something about that /8 that makes it especially open to being divided up? I see 185.x.x.x addresses on VPN servers very often, from Albania to Taiwan.
 
The cripple's a serious journalist now. It's California's fault lunatics shoot people and post their garbage manifestos on a chan. That's very a very serious accusation to make.

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Isn't Bellingcat a dodgy site a weirdo from Something Awful started when his autism went into overdrive looking at pictures from Libya (Black Moses or something I don't remember). Not quite The New York Times in any event.
 
Isn't Bellingcat a dodgy site a weirdo from Something Awful started when his autism went into overdrive looking at pictures from Libya (Black Moses or something I don't remember). Not quite The New York Times in any event.
It's a neoliberal pro-war astroturf site funded by the Atlantic Council and other terrorist organizations. A perfect fit for Pedowheels.

They were most notoriously involved in spreading the propaganda about all those convenient 'gassings' that President Assad decides to do whenever the US Air Force temporarily stops bombing the Syrian Army in support of ISIS. Their propaganda has been debunked by actual whistleblowers from the OPCW, but they'll keep on pushing their lies, and keep on trying to get anyone who stands in the way of the Zionist entity murdered.

Anyone who works for Bellingcat is a genocidal terrorist by association. Pedophile and a terrorist.. not a good look, [Brennan].
 
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