US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Honestly if it were me I'd pay a flip to plant meth on the cripple then call Duterte's anti-drug death squad and be done with it. I'm tired of seeing his whiny tweets and posts. He never takes responsibility for his bad decisions and uses his brittle bones to make everyone feel bad. I guarantee he'll come after KF, it's merely a matter of time.
Apparently we're the new Internet Hate Machine to Freddy, He'll want us dead to absolve himself in due time. Unless he realizes KF could bury him.
 
I almost feel bad for [Fred] looking at the one review of his condo building on Google maps.
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I wonder if they have a nameboard up. Are the details about [Brennan]'s wife's name public anywhere? Obviously I would expect Jim is aware, but not having the name makes background research more difficult.
 
It's amazing to see how far Jim has fallen as of late. He created 8chan as a haven for free speech after the mods on 4chan went crazy during GG.

Look at him now, doing everything in his power to remove 8chan from the internet.
Is your post here some sort of meta-irony about "How bad of a job Jim is doing at keeping 8kun up", or are you just confusing Jim (owner of 8chan/8kun) with Fredrick (cripple obsessed with taking 8kun down)?

And to think i was once pissed off at Null over the 8chan Infinite debacle ()Yeah bacj then 8chan my place on the internet and when it went down people at 8chan said Null ran away with the cripple money, now i'm seriously not sure what even happened so i feel dumb)
Null used the 'InfinityNext money' to support himself in the Philippines for a year while coding the InfinityNext project (and living in the Philippines is more expensive than many people think). The software might not have worked as well as everyone wanted, but most of that was due to typical feature creep/R&D overhead/bad communication from Jim/other typical bureaucratic software dev nonsense. Null didn't steal any cripple money: in fact, he steadfastly refused to take any of Fredrick's money on principle (what kind of a man takes money from a cripple?) Of course, Fredrick eventually tricked Null into taking some of his money anyway by pretending it was bitcoin donations or something.

(Source: #Killstream episode with Fredrick and Null back at the start of the year. Relevant timestamps at 01:25:00 (Fredrick defends Null) and 01:32:55 (Null's take).)
 
I almost feel bad for [Fred] looking at the one review of his condo building on Google maps.
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I wonder if they have a nameboard up. Are the details about [Brennan]'s wife's name public anywhere? Obviously I would expect Jim is aware, but not having the name makes background research more difficult.

I have so many questions about Tripper's Place/Group Fun.
 
I almost feel bad for [Fred] looking at the one review of his condo building on Google maps.

I wonder if they have a nameboard up. Are the details about [Brennan]'s wife's name public anywhere? Obviously I would expect Jim is aware, but not having the name makes background research more difficult.

I dont have a facebook account but have a look here - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-Heights-Condominium/375401699216805 - the good thing about the Pinoys is that they have no idea how to use the internet. Almost I'd say 95% of Facebook profiles are open to everyone. See who checks in, you'll see their photos, friends, friends of friends.

You'll get there dont worry, hopefully before Freddy Pharkass falls into the fault line

listen to this cripple whining - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8_g_3iGY-k



he said he had already ordered the Bureau of Immigration to check the travel records of Brennan, 8chan owner Jim Watkins and his son Ronald.

Guevarra said Immigration ran a search for the name Fredrick Brennan and the name “Fredrick Robert Brennan” appeared. He is reportedly a holder of a 9G visa or working visa, and his last recorded arrival in the country was on July 1, 2017.



9G visa must have been obtained by Jimbo.


Any foreign national who will be employed in the Philippines and occupying a technical, executive, managerial or highly confidential position in a company for at least one year, can apply for a pre-arranged employment visa, or commonly referred to as the 9G visa, under Sec. 9(g) of the Philippine Immigration Act.

Requirements:

  • Letter of request from the petitioning company;
  • Accomplished and duly notarized application form (Form MCL-07-01);
  • Alien Employment Permit (AEP);
  • Clearance certificate issued by the Bureau of Immigration (BI);
  • Any other documents which will assist in the evaluation process;
  • Authenticated copy of the passport showing current valid visa; and
  • Certified true copies of the Marriage Contract, Birth Certificates (authenticated at Philippine Embassy if issued abroad), if to be accompanied by spouse and unmarried children under 21 years old.

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I hope gentleman jim takes the chair from him. I loved hotwheels but he has betrayed his people for good boy points from a world that would just as easily see him jailed for his work. He is in every sense of the word a cuck

I don’t know HW but I wonder if he was always spineless or if it’s a recent development.

It’d be funny if the family still sued him anyways, despite his willingness to sell out. As others have stated he’ll never be forgiven for his creation of 8chan and his participation in GG. Now he’s dealing with another lolsuit in the Philippines which he could very well lose.
 
You know this was gonna go down and yet you kept going. are you THAT afraid of glowniggers that you're capable of facing this and not think "i might have fucked up" ?

i think you might win the lawsuit, but regardless of that you're still gonna get fucked over no matter how much damage control you try to make. this isn't going to help you.
 
Null used the 'InfinityNext money' to support himself in the Philippines for a year while coding the InfinityNext project (and living in the Philippines is more expensive than many people think). The software might not have worked as well as everyone wanted, but most of that was due to typical feature creep/R&D overhead/bad communication from Jim/other typical bureaucratic software dev nonsense. Null didn't steal any cripple money: in fact, he steadfastly refused to take any of Fredrick's money on principle (what kind of a man takes money from a cripple?) Of course, Fredrick eventually tricked Null into taking some of his money anyway by pretending it was bitcoin donations or something.

(Source: #Killstream episode with Fredrick and Null back at the start of the year. Relevant timestamps at 01:25:00 (Fredrick defends Null) and 01:32:55 (Null's take).)
When this was going on I was completely unaware it was Josh from Kiwi Farms. It got vicious, and fast. Now I realize most of the posts belittling Josh were made by Frederick.

You can't hide behind "You wouldn't hurt a cripple would you?" defense forever. Sooner or later people are going to say "I don't care", especially if you're a dick.
 
I love how this is like some bizzaro neighbor drama bullshit only instead of a fence height and lawn plants it's over a shithole image board and instead of the HOA it's the government of the Philippines.
 
Lol, given how long these processes could go on for, does anybody wanna open a betting pool on whether or not kikewheels will bite the dust before anything's settled? I've held onto the notion that this sudden cucking to the man is all some perverse redemption arc for him as he knows his time is running out.
 
I love how this is like some bizzaro neighbor drama bullshit only instead of a fence height and lawn plants it's over a shithole image board and instead of the HOA it's the government of the Philippines.
What makes it all the more special is seeing Frederick bring this up on his Twitter, making every jab to Jim and 8kun or whatever chanboard is in its place. I can understand wanting to distance ones self from something after a shitstorm occurred but all this does after 8Chan shut down is come off more and more as a sort of vendetta against Jim.

Lol, given how long these processes could go on for, does anybody wanna open a betting pool on whether or not kikewheels will bite the dust before anything's settled? I've held onto the notion that this sudden cucking to the man is all some perverse redemption arc for him as he knows his time is running out.
Either a redemption arc or just some attempt to get further back at Jim.
 
Is your post here some sort of meta-irony about "How bad of a job Jim is doing at keeping 8kun up", or are you just confusing Jim (owner of 8chan/8kun) with Fredrick (cripple obsessed with taking 8kun down)?


Null used the 'InfinityNext money' to support himself in the Philippines for a year while coding the InfinityNext project (and living in the Philippines is more expensive than many people think). The software might not have worked as well as everyone wanted, but most of that was due to typical feature creep/R&D overhead/bad communication from Jim/other typical bureaucratic software dev nonsense. Null didn't steal any cripple money: in fact, he steadfastly refused to take any of Fredrick's money on principle (what kind of a man takes money from a cripple?) Of course, Fredrick eventually tricked Null into taking some of his money anyway by pretending it was bitcoin donations or something.

(Source: #Killstream episode with Fredrick and Null back at the start of the year. Relevant timestamps at 01:25:00 (Fredrick defends Null) and 01:32:55 (Null's take).)
By the way, where is the archive of Null's "Goodbye Jim" stream? It does not seem to appear on the MatI archive.
 
I hope gentleman jim takes the chair from him. I loved hotwheels but he has betrayed his people for good boy points from a world that would just as easily see him jailed for his work. He is in every sense of the word a cuck

I hope they seize the chair from him right in court, throwing him on the floor and breaking his skeleton. While the midget writhes in agony, Jim gets in his new wheelchair and rolls around the courtroom yelling "YIPPEE KI YAY MOTHERFUCKER" and doing wheelies. The entire courtroom applauds and a bald eagle sheds a tear.
 
I hope they seize the chair from him right in court, throwing him on the floor and breaking his skeleton. While the midget writhes in agony, Jim gets in his new wheelchair and rolls around the courtroom yelling "YIPPEE KI YAY MOTHERFUCKER" and doing wheelies. The entire courtroom applauds and a bald eagle sheds a tear.
Livestreamed too
 
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