US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
[Frederick Brennan]'s latest tactic is very funny.
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https://archive.li/2ZnZY
The pedophile is trying to smear Mr. Watkins for having owned sites that promoted 'teen' (i.e. porn whores in the 18-25 range that don't look like they star in 'Faces of Meth' compilations) pornography. Absolutely reprehensible, but also.. 100% legal in most Western countries.

While Frederick himself published child porn on 8chan until Jim shut him down.

Funny, but the pornography that Watkins distributed was only 'illegal' in Japan because of their laws requiring the blurring of genitals. Did Brennan ever blur the genitals of the pre-teens posted to his /hebe/ and /doll/ boards until Mr. Watkins shut him down?

I can only imagine that his fatness and the breakdown of his remaining bodily functions is affecting his brain.
 
Some more Twitter stuff.
I had originally intended my post here to be a quick update, but Fredrick started doing his deep dive in Jim's sketchy old web sites as I was writing it. So I just started archiving in real time, and now this post is long as fuck and I'm sorry :'(

EDIT: And of course I'd get ninja'd. (Bravo, @3119967d0c)

First: Fredrick continues his transformation into a degenerate. (Why? Why would you post this, Fredrick?)
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(https://archive.li/cR4Uo)

For some strange reason, Tucows hasn't told some deranged cripple on Twitter all about their dealings with one of their business clients.
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(https://archive.li/iwAPQ)

Jim's definitely the owner of Is It Wet Yet Inc., by the way. Can we see it?
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(https://archive.li/Vfx28)

Wait, "Musume"? Oh boy...
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(https://archive.li/2ZnZY)

Well at least that's the only— oh god, there's more...
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(https://archive.li/c7g2y)
I've also archived the archives, because fuck Wayback Machine. I don't trust them to keep stuff up.

BIG-server.com (https://archive.li/L8yx9)
pinkasia.com (https://archive.li/Xi6Bq)
minakokomukai.com (https://archive.li/ue35D)
download.co.jp (https://archive.li/iakPi)

Well that was a long time ago, right? Surely— oh, jesus.
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(https://archive.li/yZoN1)
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(You knew exactly which month to jump to in the Wayback archive to get that screencap for pinknavi.com, huh Fredrick? That's Really Really Interesting.)

So Jim owned pinknavi.com back in 2016. Did he own it back in November 1999 though?
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(https://archive.li/nVy5h)

EDIT2: Hey @copypaste and @L33TGUY: are you guys sure about this one? Looking at the Wayback archive, it seems like that website changed hands (presumably to Jim, or possibly another predecessor?) in 2004: (wayback) (non-wayback archive)


Hey Fredrick, aren't you already in a defamation lawsuit against this guy? What are you doing?
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(https://archive.li/kDkMt)
And the link to Jim's article:
And fuck Wayback Machine: (https://archive.li/UHhiL)

Fredrick stahp, my post is so long now, they're gonna yell at me
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(https://archive.li/MNb5c)

Now he wants someone to give him access to security analyst tools...
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(https://archive.li/G6UGE)

Has he stopped? Is it over?
 
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Don't know much about the Philippines legal l system, but since its in the southern hemisphere I assume its barbaric and tribal.

I hope you're still in school kiddo, because you're dumb as a bag of rocks so far. Go do some reading on what the northern and southern hemispheres are, then read up on the equator and then have a look on the map
 
Lol the illegal porn kikewheels was suggesting is uncensored porn, which is illegal in Japan due to their morality laws.

Hentai porn used to be able to circumvent these laws under the credence of being an "art form", hence why there's CP hentai (consumers and producers of this stuff should be shot), however the law changed and even anime based porn requires genitalia to be censored. The uncensored ones were either produced before this law came into effect or are "decensored" ie removal of black bars and drawing the bits back in.

What a far stretch to suggest involvement of CP. At least donga had a backbone.
 
First: Fredrick continues his transformation into a degenerate. (Why? Why would you post this, Fredrick?)
Furries are degenerates who are so degenerate they have made their fetish into a lifestyle and their primary identity. They're proud of it and want the world to know. It's kind of like exhibitionism. They revel in the reactions they get both positive and negative, especially negative. Negative reactions feed their victim narrative and allows them circlejerk, and literally masturbate, to how they made those dang dirty bigots uncomfortable.
 
Not sure how much weight this puritan shtick is going to pull coming from a furry pedo 😸
These old defunct web1.0 porn sites are all very tame by today's standards.
If anything he is just increasing the domain's value by showing they might have some historic brand recognition with people who will pay for porn.
 
Lol the illegal porn kikewheels was suggesting is uncensored porn, which is illegal in Japan due to their morality laws.

Hentai porn used to be able to circumvent these laws under the credence of being an "art form", hence why there's CP hentai (consumers and producers of this stuff should be shot), however the law changed and even anime based porn requires genitalia to be censored. The uncensored ones were either produced before this law came into effect or are "decensored" ie removal of black bars and drawing the bits back in.

What a far stretch to suggest involvement of CP. At least donga had a backbone.

I mean... 8chan literally had a board called /hebe/ for years... and a /Loli/ and even a /Islam/...

It seems dangerous for Brennan to be doing stuff like this.
 
Cuckwheels is accusing Jim of...
...selling porn that's totally legal where his site was based?
That's like saying he went drinking with a saudi man in the phillipines, even though dun dun dunnn alcohol is illegal in KSA

not only are these not illegal, the laws are exceptional and nobody sane gives a shit
Nobody except PedoWheels, it seems. God I hope he loses the court case.
 
Cuckwheels is accusing Jim of...
...selling porn that's totally legal where his site was based?
That's like saying he went drinking with a saudi man in the phillipines, even though dun dun dunnn alcohol is illegal in KSA

not only are these not illegal, the laws are exceptional and nobody sane gives a shit

Major porn sites are blocked under "CP" laws, further blocking is coming under the guise of Prevention of Adolescent Pregnancy Act of 2018

but what kikewheels is trying to spin here is that Jim is not "of good character" so he can use this against his naturalisation claim currently before the courts.

Philippines ranks first in porn watching. Some of the horniest women you will ever meet.

Pornhub ranks Philippines first in time spent on site for 5th year running

Filipinos now spend an average of 13 minutes, 50 seconds on the site per visit. This appears to be the 5th straight year the Philippines has ranked first in terms of time on Pornhub.
 
I have a big-brained but potentially stupid thought: What if Cripple over there is merely pretending to be a furry in a desperate attempt to score as many woke points as possible before the hammer comes down on him?
Granted, he may just be a furry, but this thought amuses me.
Yeah whether somebody has told him or if he just arrived at it on his own, there does seem to be a rush to do as much as possible like sees a tangible gain from it in the near future.
 
Frederick literally stated, 8chan, the place he founded and used to run was a haven for child pornography.
It's understandable why people think that he is one.
Weak excuse to call someone a pedophile. He knows why it became a 'haven for child pornography': the site had a thousand boards no one visited and no automated moderation.

Cheapening the word pedophile by making it a word for "everyone I don't like" is incredibly reckless and disgusting.
 
Furries are degenerates who are so degenerate they have made their fetish into a lifestyle and their primary identity. They're proud of it and want the world to know. It's kind of like exhibitionism. They revel in the reactions they get both positive and negative, especially negative. Negative reactions feed their victim narrative and allows them circlejerk, and literally masturbate, to how they made those dang dirty bigots uncomfortable.
Furry stuff is a byproduct of a low self esteem. Literally sub-human low.
 
Weak excuse to call someone a pedophile. He knows why it became a 'haven for child pornography': the site had a thousand boards no one visited and no automated moderation.

Cheapening the word pedophile by making it a word for "everyone I don't like" is incredibly reckless and disgusting.
True, however him stating that isn't a good thing for him, and honestly might screw him up. Media publications don't have much of a spine and could call him one based on that quote alone. Most observers who have just heard about 8chan and read that would think badly of Hotwheels.
 
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