US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Is your post here some sort of meta-irony about "How bad of a job Jim is doing at keeping 8kun up", or are you just confusing Jim (owner of 8chan/8kun) with Fredrick (cripple obsessed with taking 8kun down)?

No, sadly I'm not playing 4D chess utilizing 20 layers of meta-irony. I'm just clinically mentally deficient and mixed them up.
 
Facebook livestreams the shootings, sells our data, spies on us, and has the CEO on record calling people who trust him with their data as "dumb fucks". NO PROBLEM! Still online, still selling our data, still streaming dodgy stuff daily.

8chan talked about it, and has been shut down.



Clown world is a reality.
 
This is not a serious investigation until the Flip special forces bust down the doors on Jim's pig farm and search for bones. As dear leader says, anybody who keeps pigs feeds their enemies to them, 99.98% likely to be literally Mason Verger. Hotwheels said what he did under the threat of pig murder!
 
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This is not a serious investigation until the Flip special forces bust down the doors on Jim's pig farm and search for bones.

Pigs don't just eat flesh, they eat the bones as well. About the only thing they don't digest is teeth. You'd have to be concerned with anything plastic or metal as well, like artificial joints or other neutral materials. Many of Robert Pickton's presumed victims, for instance, left no traces whatsoever despite probably having been eaten by pigs.
 
Pigs don't just eat flesh, they eat the bones as well. About the only thing they don't digest is teeth.
Thats why you shave the head and remove the teeth before hand for the sake of the pigs digestion. And so you don't have to go sifting through pigshit afterwards.
 

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8kun lives!
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Domain name 8kun.us. Hosted by VDSina, the new IP is 62.113.113.103.
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VDSina seem pretty keen to have them, at least.
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Apparently 8kun.org forwarded to 8kun.net for a bit, but Hotwheels (allegedly?) got that shut down.
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EDIT to include: Fredrick doesn't seem to be bragging about the 8kun.org forwarding block (as would be his MO if he were the culprit), so I'm leaning towards him not having been directly responsible here:
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Well, they're back up (for now). Your move, @copypaste!
 
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Domain name 8kun.us. Hosted by VDSina, the new IP is 62.113.113.103.

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Apparently 8kun.org forwarded to 8kun.net for a bit, but Hotwheels (allegedly?) got that shut down.
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Well, they're back up (for now). Your move, @copypaste!
Remember, citizens, you will always be more free to do normal free speech (criticism of corruption, child rapists, Jonathan Yaniv) under 'authoritarianism' than Zionist globalist corporate capitalism.
 
Also, in what I'm sure is just a massive coincidence, the MSNBC talked about QAnon earlier today. Watching their reporters go out and talk to lots of old people about what they believe Q is (e.g. timestamp 1:26), followed by them talking about how Donald Trump is "amplifying" QAnon by retweeting people that have Q messages in their Twitter bios (timestamp 3:56) has left me wondering who the real boomers are in all this.

(Seriously, that last one confuses the hell out of me. Is the implication that these people actually put that much effort into their Twitter shitposting? "I totally agree with the content of this tweet, Retwee— Wait! Gotta check the bio first... Yep, no gender pronouns. Blocked, you nazi! Phew, that was a close one.")
 
8kun.net is transfer domain to PDR, use reseller NearlyFreeSpeech.NET. look NFS.net policy on "offensive content"
https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#BecauseFuckNazisThatsWhy

i think either PDR or NFS.net will drop 8kun.net if they receive bad email and tweets from hotwheels and co

8kun.us registar will drop too if he get abuse report

have to become registrar or play whack-a-mole. or could use vdsina.ru ip address or one of jim's /24 instead of domain name.
 
Jesus fucking christ... to get so close to getting it right ("we host things we don't like") only to fuck it all up with such insanely stupid virtue signaling ("we host things we don't like but we surreptitiously act to undermine the people paying us for that hosting"). Don't those dipshits understand they could literally be donating to groups that might use those very funds to shut them down for hosting "hate speech?"

And of course they'd use that anchor tag. Is no one capable of conducting business without virtue signaling or hypocrisy? How can they call themselves supporters of free speech if they actively donate to organizations dedicated to shutting down free speech?
 
I wonder what will happen to the Qboomers when Trump leaves office without any of Q's predictions coming true. My guess is that they’ll just keep doubling down, thinking that Trump is still secretly in charge of the government and continuing the mission from behind the scenes or something. Most qultists been invested in the conspiracy theory for way too long to pull out, which would mean coming to terms with the fact that their entire worldview wasn’t just wrong, but a complete fantasy on top of that. For most people it’s simply too painful to admit, even to ourselves, that we were fooled like that. Comforting lies are better than unpleasant truths and all that stuff.
 
Maybe I will get a "late" tag for this. Sorry if its a repost. I guess I missed the part where he steps (figuratively,of course) on the HK protesters to hurt 8chan.
 

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Maybe I will get a "late" tag for this. Sorry if its a repost. I guess I missed the part where he steps (figuratively,of course) on the HK protesters to hurt 8chan.
So he's so consumed by his hate and jealousy that he doesn't care about anything, including human rights, just as long as there's a chance he can inflict some damage to the Watkins?

What a pathetic, nasty little man.
 
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